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I agree, building Angels in the Castle on Jebus seems pointless, let alone building Knights.
However, on Jebus, I think it's essential to build Knights in the Castle and protect their nests. And the Lucari should be built from the start! This is one of the two advantages of the Tower faction, in my opinion.
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In Jebus, angels simply look better than horses, in my opinion. Just because they can be easily converted into Archons. But on regular maps, horses are preferable, even if you have enough money for angels.
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Wicc
Yes, on regular maps, horses are preferable, even if you have enough money for angels.
And what makes horses better than angels, may I ask? 3 angels (if with a castle) are definitely preferable to 6 horses, and even 2 are likely better, for many reasons. I'm interested to hear why you think horses are better. Or are you talking about THAT again?
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And why exactly are horses better than angels, if I may ask? 3 angels (if with Castle) are definitely much more preferable than 6 horses, and likely even 2 as well, for many reasons; but I'm interested to hear why you think horses are better. Or are you talking about TE again?
Firstly, maximum 2 angels; trying to build based on ordinary templates of angels with Castle is stupid even in TE.

Secondly, after building them, you still have to buy them out, which adds more hassle. That is, while the player who placed angels is saving money for the buyout, the one who built horses on 121 has already bought everything and started upgrading.

But even if there is money for the buyout, let's compare the effect:

2 angels + 7 monks
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6 horses (usually upgraded) + additional crusaders, marks, pokies (thanks to Castle).

The first option is a significant loss in both HP and damage (monks are generally useless here; you can't take them into "cans," hives, or Dragon Utopia). In TE, if you start as Turis, the difference is even greater (+25% HP for horses). Essentially, the first option only works out if you manage to quickly assemble a strike stack of angels and upgrade them (typical for Jebus Cross, as well as a number of fixed maps). That is, when the advantage of one strike stack is higher than all the bonuses provided by horses.
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Wicc
First of all, maximum of 2 angels, trying to build angels on normal templates with Castle is stupid even in TE.

First of all, it's not stupid or not stupid, but the question is whether there is money for it. If there is money, then it's not stupid at all.
Wicc

Secondly, after building this, you also have to buy them, which adds hassle. That is, while the player who built angels is gathering money to buy them, the player who built horses on 121 has already bought everything and starts upgrading.
Secondly, sorry, but don't talk nonsense, 2-3 angels cost 6-9 thousand, this whole mishmash of horses, Marksmen, Crusaders, and pokemons costs about the same, and even considering the cost of building upgrades, much more, + time for construction and the hassle of moving troops for upgrades. A hero with angels runs around doing his own business at maximum speed and doesn't bother. Fact ;)
Wicc


But even if there is money to buy them, let's compare the effect:

2 angels + 7 Monks
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6 horses (usually upgraded) + additional Crusaders, Marksmen, Pikemen (from Castle).

Significant loss for the first option in both hits and damage.
Now here's where it gets interesting, the second option of course dominates when breaking through walking fat monsters like golem hordes, but it methodically melts against shooters and when taking serious objects (Dragon Fly Hives for sure, Griffin Conservatories are no joke if there's no mass slow either) and generally against more or less serious monsters, etc., etc., there are plenty of examples. Angels, when used skillfully, have a strange habit of staying alive, even if with a few hitpoints at the end of the battle ;) . Fact.
Furthermore, there are almost always at least a couple of Griffin Conservatories on the explored territory, and there is a good chance of forming a strike stack of angels, for example 5 angels are an order of magnitude more effective than 3, and later in Dragon Utopias, the more angels there are, the less chance that the dragons will jump on them rather than on the meat shield. Fact.
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Significant loss for the first option in both hits and damage.
Which is more than compensated by the attack, defense, and speed, as well as the health of the angels, as I already said, with skillful handling, angels usually survive where the second option loses by a little bit.
Conclusion - if you have the money, you can build angels in the fort without a second thought, and if the town is generating income, it's generally ideal. Try to disprove that ;)
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The Elephant and the Dog

They led an Elephant through the streets,
For all to see, it seemed.
Elephants are a novelty here,
So crowds gathered to watch.
Out of nowhere, a little dog appeared,
And seeing the Elephant, began to bark and yelp,
And jump and snarl, and try to attack;
It was determined to fight.
"Neighbor," said a dog to her, "stop being so silly,
It's not your place to fight with an Elephant.
You're already panting, and he just keeps walking,
And doesn't even notice your barking.
"Ah, ah!" replied the little dog,
"That's what gives me courage,
That even without a fight,
I can be considered a great fighter.
Let the dogs say:
"Oh, the little dog! She's so brave,
To bark at an Elephant!"

:smile02:
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2 StickYFingaz, instead of making pointless comments, you should learn how to play Heroes of Might and Magic III :D
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2 StickYFingaz, instead of making pointless comments, you should learn how to play the third game.
:D
Great topic!
В. Уэйтс©
Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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2 StickYFingaz, instead of making dull remarks, you should learn how to play Heroes 3.
I remember putting angels on the first map... I was as happy as a child. Is the hint clear? ))

In my opinion, it's better to be witty than to be good at playing Heroes.
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Wlk777
2 StickYFingaz, instead of making pointless comments, you should learn how to play Heroes 3 :D
lol, that was a good one.

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D
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Soon, the "round table" will become a heroic chat or the most popular topic for off-topic discussions about "everything." :smile04:
And, by the way, I don't see anything wrong with that... it consistently lifts the mood :smile54: and you can also read some useful things... like what you should do :smile13:, what you shouldn't do :smile33:, and how people feel about it.
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StickyFingaz
I remember once putting Angels on the first level... I was as happy as a child! Is the hint clear? ))

In my opinion, it's better to be witty than to be good at Heroes.
At least you should be able to do one of the two :D
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Wlk777
First of all, it's not stupid-not stupid, but the question is whether there is money for it. If there is money, then it's very much not stupid.

Secondly, sorry, but don't talk nonsense, 2-3 angels cost 6-9 thousand, that whole mishmash of horses, marksmen, crusaders, pokemons costs about the same, and even considering the cost of building upgrades, much more, plus building time and the hassle of moving troops for upgrades. A hero with angels runs around doing his own business at maximum speed and doesn't bother. Fact ;)

Here's where the interesting part begins, the second option of course rules when breaking through walking fat monsters like golem hoards, but it methodically melts against shooters and when taking serious objects (Dragon Fly Hive for sure, Griffin Conservatories are no small fry if without Mass Slow either) and generally against more or less serious monsters, and so on and so forth, there are plenty of examples. Angels, when handled skillfully, have a strange habit of staying alive, albeit with a few hitpoints at the end of the battle ;) . Fact.
Furthermore, almost always there are at least a couple of conservatories on the developed territory, and there is a good chance to form a strike stack of angels, for example, 5 angels are an order of magnitude more effective than 3, and later on in Dragon Utopias, the more angels there are, the less chance that the dragons will target them instead of the [neutral] feeder. Fact. This is more than compensated by the attack, defense, and speed, as well as the health of angels, as I already said, with skillful handling, angels usually survive where the second option loses out, slightly, but still loses.
Conclusion — if there is money, you can build angels in the fort without a second thought, and if the castle [resource income] is building up, it's simply perfect. Try to refute that ;)
There is truth in Wlk777's words! But very little. About as little as the percentage of games where strong players build angels in the Castle on SMc or 8mm ;) . In all other cases, Vic is more right :D .
For my part, I want to say that building angels in the Castle on random (SMc or 8mm, doesn't matter SoD or TE) can indeed be beneficial, but only in EXCEPTIONAL cases. In the 3 years that I've been playing online, I've never heard of such cases actually happening(!) with any strong players (when they were playing at full effort, that is, truly striving for victory). Although anything is possible, maybe I just don't browse the forums enough and it happens regularly, or maybe I've never even seen any strong players at all.:)
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He3Hauka
There is some truth in Wlk777' same words! But very little. Roughly as little as the percentage of games where strong players build on smks or 8 mm for an angel castle in a Castle ;) . In other cases, Wicc is more correct :D .
I think weak players build angels on the first turn even less often than strong ones;) . I wrote it plain and simple that angels are for when you have money; by the way, angels in a Fort aren't much more expensive than horses in a Castle . Another thing is that this really happens rarely, however, the claim that the combination of horses+markis is unequivocally stronger than angels with monks (and even without monks) is quite debatable—why, see above.
P.S. As I see it, Wicc's thinking is heavily skewed toward TE; he needs to take into account that the overwhelming majority of those discussing here prefer SoD and, for example, the discussion about horses in a Castle was started by Dubrovin Pavel, who as far as I know is also one of them ;) . Therefore, for the nth time, I ask Wicc@Co not to cause confusion in the discussion; ideally, of course, he should write about TE in the appropriate section, but apparently that's unrealistic for some :mad:

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