Posts from Controversial issues and their resolutions.

Vitalik, hello. Where can I see this save file?

+L'dink@ (12:38:32 6/03/2009) I understand why he said he was sorry...
Vitaly (12:38:39 6/03/2009) why?
+L'dink@ (12:39:08 6/03/2009) Because he's ashamed.

After the first review of the save files, I didn't find anything suspicious.
I wasn't going to write in the thread that I was apologizing and all that from the very beginning of the game, regardless of the outcome. Sorry, I'm not a fool to be treated like that. The value of my apologies in ICQ is zero, just for fun. And I will never be ashamed that I saved others from playing with you, Alina.
And here's what Alina considered an apology:
smoke_mk (05.03.2009 21:49):
Alina, you're forgiven, but I've studied the save files more carefully, and some controversial points have emerged, and I'm really not happy to write this... so read my post for now...

Save /attachments/12036/
Report /topic/at/225832/
Confirmation /topic/at/225851/

Attention was to be drawn to the save from day 1-3-2, when Shakti, losing 4 troglodytes, destroyed 49 units of magical elementals.

Well, I guess that's it. I think the issue is resolved.... ;) Now all that's left is to unban Loi and Sticky, and apologize to them...

I have no desire to continue playing the tournament game with Alina, so I'm not going to do that! I can reveal the save files, but we only played for 3 days, so I don't see much point in it....

P.S. Zhenya, as the tournament organizer, decide what I should do now... Okay?

+L'dink@ (11:55:46 6/03/2009) They were standing in one pile.
Vitaly (11:56:37 6/03/2009) How could they stand in one pile with such a strong army?
That couldn't have happened.
+L'dink@ (11:59:39 6/03/2009) He was distracted by the Trog, Angel, and Wyverns, and the archers were protected by Minotaurs and Bulls, because with the expert tactics, the Medusas were placed at one end of the map, and the Golems at the other.
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... and he was hitting with a group of archers, about 30 of them:D, of course, the red-cloaked units were standing in one pile:D

by the way, this is exactly the kind of signature that gets you penalty points...

To be honest, I'm starting to understand Seryoga Inviz more and more:(. What, what exactly in my signature is offensive, defamatory, vulgar, or otherwise objectionable that it elicits such reactions? It will remind dishonest players of who they are - and it is not addressed to anyone in particular, but to all cunning cheaters and confirmed losers at once. If this is bad, ban me too:smile12:!

Kostya, we still have a tournament to play. :)

What, seriously, WHAT in my signature is offensive, defamatory, vulgar, or otherwise objectionable that it elicits such reactions?

Does it even make you feel good to read it?

It's not directed at anyone in particular.

But everyone has to read it.

If it's bad, ban me too.

It's not bad; it's just unpleasant to read.

Kostya, we still have a tournament to play.

:D

Well, that’s pretty much it. I think the issue is resolved. Now all that’s left is to unban Loy and Sticky, and apologize to them.

Guys, I read the thread, and I’m shocked by what happened. Loy and Sticky are great people, and even if they wrote something, just delete it, but you can’t destroy a forum like that.
We’ve created a unique ecosystem; there has never been such a friendly, welcoming atmosphere on a Heroes forum, in 8 years – never, and I stand by my words. I remember the old Portal, ProGamer, Heroic Corner, Wings, and League of Heroes in their prime – almost everywhere, ambition ruined everything, no matter how intelligent the forum members were. If you write any post, you have to mentally prepare for a battle, a pointless and trivial battle. Almost always, the leading figures on the forum were opponents, respected or not, but still opponents. If you made a mistake, you probably wouldn’t be forgiven. You could be friends with someone against someone else, but it wasn’t easy.
Can I imagine Eugene, vbn, Invisible, Loy, Sticky, Dream, or many others as opponents on our forum? No, never, even in the most heated game, I remember that I’m playing against a friend and that it’s just a game. Believe me, it’s not like that on all forums.
Here, on our World, you come as if you’re coming home; no matter what you write, whether you’re drunk, sick, or in a daze, you’ll be understood and accepted, and you’ll be given a chance to redeem yourself. Haven’t we all written a lot of nonsense over this time?
But still, people like Tanya, Adelaide, Eugene, vbn, Reper, Alex, Uran, Kamikaze created noble online traditions for the forum. Invisible, Dreamcatcher, Decontaminator, Mizrael, Scorp, Pit – they are gods among players, and when they joined, they didn’t destroy this atmosphere; they preserved it.

We haven’t become the dominant Heroes forum yet; maybe we’re being criticized for lacking the killer instinct on the forum, but that’s exactly what we’re respected for. For our democracy, for that amazing atmosphere that many of our predecessors failed to achieve.
We could take the worst from the deceased great forums – ban those who think differently, those who are full of life, sow intrigues… but, perhaps, the outcome will be clear.
Should I provide links to the deceased forums?

In general, if Loy and Sticky haven’t been unbanned yet, I have a huge request – please unban them. Perhaps the collapse of the online community on World, which is just beginning its journey and breathing freely, would be the most painful and absurd thing in all the Heroes years. Even all the cheaters in the world aren’t worth it.

Forgive me, I wrote what I thought.

P.S., sorry, I haven’t been here for a couple of months; I should be free by May, and I’ll visit more often.

To be honest, I'm starting to understand Seryoga Inviz more and more:(. What, what exactly in my signature is offensive, defamatory, vulgar, or otherwise objectionable that it causes such reactions?? It will remind dishonest players of who they are - and it is not addressed to anyone in particular, but to all cunning cheaters and confirmed losers at once. If this is bad, ban me too:smile12:!

Kostya, your emoticons don't rhyme :)
And without rhyme, it's no longer poetry! :)
Delete them, as a poetry expert who trained Beshu himself, I say :)))

An idea came to me. Unban Loy and Sticky.

Moderated: FLOOD in the message

So, here's the situation. Either it's a beautiful girl or an old man with a beard, and this cheater and liar is somehow portrayed as a victim. And the people who fought for the integrity of the game are becoming outcasts. It's complete nonsense.
Secondly, as far as I know, Hacker has nothing to do with the online version of the third game. So why is he in charge of this topic????? I understand that it's easier to just follow the forum rules than to delve into the issue. But still, how can a schoolboy handle a complex situation? The result is obvious: unclear bans and no attempt to resolve the situation.
And VbN and Ta had to sort it out.

As Loy said, it's very dangerous when young and inexperienced Heroes players
see the impunity (and sometimes even the attention-grabbing nature) of cheating. I think the idea is brewing in their subconscious. Most of my Heroes-playing friends wouldn't even consider cheating. They were simply raised that way, first and foremost, to be honest with themselves.
I don't think that in any institution, whether it's the army or a pioneer camp, if someone cheats once, the evidence of a second time,
without their confession, and a sincere apology and repentance, is needed by anyone. Repent, and you will be forgiven – that's the law of nature. But often, this doesn't mean that the person has changed. But admitting it is already a step towards change. But when they blatantly lie and continue to cheat, my anger is indescribable.

Heroes – I think this game reflects a person's character, their intelligence, composure, and luck. Some are greedy for victory, some generously share saves, some meticulously nitpick every little thing, some are proud of themselves because of someone else's mistake, some are happy when someone else is doing badly,
some who can strive to learn, some who can't think they're cool. Some play with trembling hands, some calmly, some for the result, some for the soul. But they are all united by one thing.
a single whole. If cheating destroys this whole, it must be removed and removed mercilessly. And not remove what fights against it. And especially not remove it for someone who, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't care about any of this.

P.S. Regarding the signature, KostyaNa has a good idea. Respect. It will gnaw at the soul of those who cheat, and it will warm the soul of those who are honest.

P.S. Leave Loy and Sticky alone

Yes, I'll sign. Leave Loy and Stiky alone. Despite everything.

Yes, I agree. Leave Loy and Stiky alone.

I think they've already unbanned them, and the ban organizers themselves don't seem happy about what happened. When is the next Sunday so everyone can forgive each other? ;)

Good afternoon...
I would like you to review the situation that arose between me and Alex R in a team tournament....
SEM_56 (red, Dungeon, Shakti) - Alex R (blue, Rampart, Ivor)
The game took place at night, and perhaps that's why this kind of absurdity happened...
At the beginning of the second week, I broke through to the top with a metro, cleared out a group of air units, and went to the left, as slightly to the right and below, there was a moved guard (griffins)...
I took the secondary tower, opened up the map, and saw the blue flags. The blue scout passed by the griffins, went straight down the road, dived into the metro, and headed towards the area where I had broken through the blockade and revealed the edge of the mine with stones....
I pointed out to my opponent that there was a moved guard there:

Alex R (0:29):
Where is it moved?
Alex R (0:29):
I don't see it - which hero can't go there?
KERIZZ (0:29):
The scout dived into the underground....
KERIZZ (0:30):
The griffins are moved, or was it someone else?
Alex R (0:30):
But you came out and cleared someone out, right?
Alex R (0:31):
I didn't see what monsters were there - but I saw that your flag was already there 2 turns ago, who were you attacking?
KERIZZ (0:31):
I was attacking the exit from the underground....
KERIZZ (0:31):
A group of air units...
Alex R (0:31):
Oh - then sorry

Only after that, Ivor came and killed the group of griffins.....

I am not accusing Alex of cheating, I am only pointing out the incorrectness of his move, which served as reconnaissance of a closed territory...

In a conversation with vbn, he said:

vbn (1:14):
You have the right to demand a technical victory

I ask you to pay attention. If I am wrong, then I will apologize to Alex and admit my defeat, without continuing the game.

A violation is evident.
However, it was likely an unintentional violation.
I myself have been in similar situations, ending up as the "violator."
Regarding the technical defeat: the issue isn't about the game rules or cheating. Everything is clear. Simply, from a technical standpoint, there is a full right to demand a technical victory (or perhaps not a full right; I didn't find this point in the rules), but from a human perspective... it's a personal matter for each individual...