Controversial issues and their resolutions. — General

scorp

3/3/2009 2:41 PM UTC

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Since you requested it, here's how to take the Hive on the FIRST try (without using the "lucky strike" ability, without morale boosts for the Elven army, and with only one morale point for the Flies): 44 Centaurs remain!!! (Without the Elves, it would have been even worse; if the Centaurs had even one lucky strike at the beginning...). I don't even want to try against Ogres if they have even a +1 morale and +1 luck bonus; with good terrain, 29 Ogres can deal a lot of damage.

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Blackpoint

3/3/2009 2:47 PM UTC

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They really scared the girl... Here are her comments from ICQ: L'dink@ (19:19:39 3/03/2009) Unfortunately, I won't be able to prove anything, I don't save the game. L'dink@ (19:21:44 3/03/2009) You can tell them that I won't be able to upload the saves for two reasons: first, because I don't save them, I trust the person I'm playing with, and second, because I'm having internet problems. IMHO, there is no crime because the saves are incorrect.

Герои 3 - слоупоки ликуют, задроты - пичале...

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invisible

3/3/2009 2:50 PM UTC

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Regarding breaking through the ogre mages and capturing the lair...
In my opinion, it's theoretically possible to break through the ogre mages by using the terrain and clever butterfly tactics, BUT: 50 centaurs deal 100-150 damage to ogres, and there are 5 mages in the group, which is 300 hit points. If the centaurs always deal maximum damage, then the battle can actually be won without any centaur losses, by using butterflies to counterattack or by getting lucky at the right moment. But capturing the lair... Either the save is glitched, or the player was cheating. Maybe it was a combination of both :). Capturing a lair on level 6 with only centaurs, without losing a single unit. And not only that, but all the air units and dwarves are also intact:eek:.

Since you asked for capturing the lair on the FIRST try (without lucky strikes, without morale for the elf army, and with only one morale for the flies), there are 44 centaurs left!!! (and that was without the elves; imagine what would have happened if the centaurs had gotten lucky even once at the beginning)

Misha, why don't you try capturing the lair, losing only the butterflies!!! So that ALL the centaurs, ALL the dwarves, and ALL the air units remain alive!!!

They really scared the girl.... Here are her comments from ICQ:
L'dink@ (19:19:39 3/03/2009)
Unfortunately, I can't prove anything, I don't save the games.

Let the girl just describe the battle step by step, and that's it. The save isn't necessary

Я ламер и играть не умею, нах!:smile33:

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Lider1

3/3/2009 2:54 PM UTC

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Oops =) So, it turns out it was all real. It's possible someone else was playing as the Amazon under her nickname. Or someone was sitting next to her and helping. )

Or maybe it was her herself...

But that's another story. ))

Although, I must admit, it all looks VERY QUESTIONABLE!

PS: Given the current situation, I strongly advise those who haven't developed the habit of automatically saving their games to install a program that does this automatically! This will help to correctly resolve any similar issues that may arise in the future!

And in general: Let's see the battle strategy! Like in the offline game! The winner, who performed the best, should write a walkthrough on how they did it. Online is, of course, not offline; this battle was more difficult and riskier, but nevertheless, let them write a walkthrough, at least like in the offline version.

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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Loi

3/3/2009 3:05 PM UTC

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Since you asked, here's how I took the Hive on the FIRST try (without using a luck strike, without morale for the elf army, and with only one morale for the flies) – 44 centaurs remained!!! (without the elves, it was even easier; if the centaurs had even one luck strike at the beginning...)

This isn't a theoretical question; a legitimate concern has been raised about fair play. The point isn't just to defeat 28 ogre mages and then immediately take the Hive with a level 6 Mephala. The point is that after that, the losses should be exactly as described (or comparable) – 7 elves, 2 dwarves, 21 butterflies – all centaurs, mermaids, and air elementals should be intact (because one air elemental is given to Jelar to scatter the enemy). In my opinion, this is impossible. I believe there was unfair play involved.

Let the girl simply describe the battle plan step by step. A save isn't necessary.

+1. No need for flowery language; we're not monsters; everyone is uncomfortable... just the plan.

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Dirty_Player

3/3/2009 3:07 PM UTC

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Misha, try taking the Hive while only losing the Butterflies! So that ALL the shooters, ALL the Gnomes, and ALL the air units remain alive!

LOSSES ARE NOT DISPLAYED DURING THE ENEMY'S TURN!!!!!!

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Oelm

3/3/2009 3:07 PM UTC

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And who started saying that the Hive was taken with Kentas, and the archers were still bought? The Hive isn't a problem to take at all. But it's risky to fight the ogre mages. Using the terrain to your advantage, you can win the battle, but it would be more reliable to upgrade the archers. Secondly, there could have been 50 of them, in which case it's a loss. Smoke, let's have daily updates so people don't have to worry.

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Djede

3/3/2009 3:08 PM UTC

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Unfortunately, I don't have any save files, but I watched my starting gameplay, and I messed up my army badly. The ogres were standing in groups of 5, and if I hadn't killed them all, I would have lost the rest.

As for the "rods," I'll respond: I signed up for the offline competition. So, hold back on your "rods."

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Smoke_mk

3/3/2009 3:12 PM UTC

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Djede

Unfortunately, I don't have the save file, but I watched my starting moves, and I messed up my army pretty badly. The ogres were standing in groups of 5, and if I hadn't killed them all, I would have lost the rest.

Describe how you took the Hive! We agreed on the ogres... And after defeating the ogres, what army was left, approximately?

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злой_романтик

3/3/2009 3:13 PM UTC

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Don't post 71 and post 44 contradict each other?

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Dirty_Player

3/3/2009 3:15 PM UTC

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Smoke_mk

Describe the Hive capture! We agreed on the Ogres... And after defeating the Ogres, what army was left, approximately?

Smoke, well, anything could have happened. You need to send normal save files, and with such glitches, there's no point in attacking a girl. Scorp has already checked the Hive capture. I think everyone believes him. And having an extra Resource, you can afford to attack the Ogres and enter the Hive, so nothing surprising.

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Djede

3/3/2009 3:19 PM UTC

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invisible

Regarding breaking through the ogre mages and capturing the hive...
In my opinion, it's theoretically possible to break through the ogre mages by using the terrain and clever positioning of the sprites, BUT: 50 sprites deal 100-150 damage to ogres, and there are 5 mages in the group, which is 300 hit points. If the sprites always deal maximum damage, then the battle can actually be won without losing any sprites, by taking out the enemy's retaliation with sprites or by getting lucky at the right moment. But capturing the hive... Either the save is glitched, or the player was cheating. Maybe it was a combination of both :). To capture a hive with 6 sprites and only sprites, without losing a single one. And not only that, but all the air units and dwarves are also intact:eek:.

Misha, why don't you try capturing the hive, losing only the sprites!!! So that ALL the sprites, ALL the dwarves, and ALL the air units remain alive!!!

Just have the girl describe the battle step by step, and that's it. The save isn't necessary.

There weren't 6 sprites, and I lost centaurs, almost all of them. And when Smoke announced a restart, I wrote to him that I was very happy! Would I be happy if my entire army remained intact...

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Oelm

And who started saying that the hive was captured with sprites? There were also archers involved. Capturing the hive isn't a problem at all. But fighting the ogre mages is risky. By using the terrain, you can win the battle, but it would be more reliable to upgrade the archers. 2nd - there could have been 50 of them, then it's a loss. Smoke, let's have daily updates so people don't worry.

I lost the sprites in the hive, and I lured the ogres with sprites, hit them with melee units, and used centaurs that skipped their turn without retaliation. In short, you've all confused me.:smile05:

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Smoke_mk

3/3/2009 3:20 PM UTC

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Djede

There weren't 6 Griffins, and I lost my Centaurs, almost all of them.

Yeah???? So how many Griffins were there????

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Djede

3/3/2009 3:22 PM UTC

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The centaurs took over the hive, and I almost wiped them all out there.

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Yeah, I don't remember, but I killed them once, so it's probably possible to kill them!

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invisible

3/3/2009 3:25 PM UTC

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LOSSES ARE NOT DISPLAYED DURING THE OPPONENT'S TURN!!!!!!

I based my reasoning on the heroine's words:

If you act according to a strategy, you can actually win; no one even noticed that I lost the butterflies...

If this is indeed a save from the opponent's turn, and the losses are not visible, then all questions are answered! My main point was that it's possible to break through such defenses and capture the Hive without losses.
P.S.: I have a feeling that all this fuss is due to a buggy save, and we've all been attacking the girl based on what we saw in that save. If that's the case, then I apologize. There was already a case when Javdet was attacked, but it turned out that it was also a save from the opponent's turn ;)

Я ламер и играть не умею, нах!:smile33: