Windows Vista. What are your thoughts on it? — PC World

Amko

1/11/2009 7:56 AM UTC

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Let's not mix work and home life, shall we? Forums generally focus more on games and entertainment than on work. Regarding Win7: I think it was either in that year or in 2011. I'm leaning towards the end of that year because the Beta version was already available online.

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Lord Vampire

1/11/2009 8:55 AM UTC

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As far as I know, Heroes of Might and Magic I was great. But Vista... let me tell you. On a dual-core AMD machine with 3GB of RAM, it takes my computer 15 seconds to load. That's outrageous! Forget it!!!

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Майор Вихрь

1/11/2009 8:57 AM UTC

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Lord Vampire

As far as I know, Heroes of Might and Magic I had excellent performance. But Vista... let me tell you. On a dual-core AMD machine with 3GB of RAM, it takes my computer 15 seconds to load))) that's outrageous. Forget it!!!

On my dual-core machine (though it's an Intel) with 2GB of RAM, it loads in less than a second. What's the catch? O_o Maybe AMD should be forgotten?:)

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Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

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Wistrit

1/11/2009 9:01 AM UTC

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I think I'll switch to Linux instead, as I've wanted to do that for a while, rather than install Vista. Although I like its name =^^=
And I've also heard that Vista =^^= doesn't support many games. Is that true?
P.S.
Still, it's a good name:)

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Lord Vampire

1/11/2009 9:10 AM UTC

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Vista?))) Well, not Vista, anyway))) AMD is worse than Intel, but not by that much))) Personally, I'll always stick with XP. Only if Heroes 6 requires Vista, then I'll switch without hesitation.

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Amko

1/11/2009 9:17 AM UTC

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Lord Vampire

As far as I know, Heroes of Might and Magic I was great, and the first expansion was also good. But Vista... let me tell you. On a dual-core AMD machine with 3GB of RAM, it takes my computer 15 seconds to load))) that's ridiculous. Forget it!!!

It wasn't great on SP1, it just became usable. 15 seconds to load? Haha, when I only had 1GB of RAM, it loaded in about 3 seconds. And yes, your Vista is buggy:D

I think I'll switch to Linux instead, as I've wanted to do that for some time, rather than install Vista. Although I like its name =^^=
And they also say that Vista doesn't support many games. Is that true?

Correction: it doesn't support many games from before 2000 (or rather, they don't support it:p), although you can run half of them in compatibility mode.
ps about Linux:smile04:

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Dr Motor

1/12/2009 4:57 PM UTC

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Amaranth

ps regarding Linux:smile04:

have you tried it? Linux is famous for the fact that, with a bit of brains, hands, and desire (first and foremost), it can be transformed not only into a trolleybus, but into anything you want – if we're using that analogy – into a very convenient and very fast sports car, for example;

and also, regarding our friend Lord Vampire, who is complaining about Vista – it may be terrible (please forgive me), but with some tweaking and optimization, it will run faster on your hardware configuration than the old, good XP. although it, in turn, can also be configured for lightning-fast performance;

ps. the moral of the story: nothing will work exactly as you need it "out of the box" – everything absolutely needs to be carefully configured to suit your needs – the only difference is that some things are easily configurable, and some are not – take Windows, for example – it has a lot of hidden settings, in addition to the standard ones.

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Amko

1/12/2009 5:35 PM UTC

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Have you tried it? Linux is famous for the fact that, if you have a head, hands, and desire (first and foremost), you can turn it into not only a trolleybus, but into anything you want – if we're using that analogy, into a very convenient and very fast sports car, for example.

Ubuntu)) I'm not denying that, if you have all of that + time, you can create an excellent operating system. But Linux has one important drawback for me, as a gamer – it's the problem with Windows games. Yes, there is corresponding software, so you can play Heroes 3, and maybe even 5. But with new games that require a lot of RAM, unfortunately...:(

P.S. The moral is: nothing will work exactly as you need it "out of the box" – everything absolutely needs to be carefully configured to suit your needs – the difference is that some things are easily configurable, and some are not very – take Windows, for example – it has a lot of hidden settings, in addition to the standard ones.

I agree. But for configuring Windows, I prefer third-party software.

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Dr Motor

1/12/2009 5:59 PM UTC

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Amaranth

Ubuntu)) I'm not denying that, with all of this + time, you can create a great operating system :) But Linux has one important drawback for me, as a gamer - it's the problem with Windows games. Yes, there is corresponding software, so you can play Heroes 3, and maybe even 5. But with new games that consume a lot of RAM - unfortunately...:(

It's somewhat problematic to do something custom in Ubuntu if you don't know the system. Ubuntu - IMHO (!) - is the same as Windows, only on the kernel of a real operating system, and it's free.
Regarding RAM consumption - Vista, in idle state, consumes about 500 MB, as far as I know. Windows 7 consumes about 200 MB in idle state (I have 70), and + the necessary applications consume about 400. Linux can load the entire system in 50-100 MB - everything else will remain on Wine + the game. In addition, Windows dumps a lot into the swap, even if there is still free RAM - it almost completely duplicates in the swap what it has in physical memory. Linux doesn't touch the swap as long as it has free RAM.

Amaranth

I agree. But for configuring Windows, I prefer third-party software.

Third-party software doesn't give you an understanding of how it all works - firstly, secondly, who knows what it's actually doing to your system, so I prefer to configure Windows manually, through the registry.

P.S. By the way, there is a version of Heroes 3 for Linux that works without any Wine or Cedege.;)

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Amko

1/13/2009 5:47 PM UTC

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Today, something interesting happened. New equipment was delivered to our school (from flat-screen TVs to a mousepad), and among them were several computers. I don't know about all of them, but the one I saw (and also installed) had Vista. Nothing unusual, until I started connecting the printer at the end. And that's when the problems began. The printer is old, yes, about 10 years old, but it still works. But Vista didn't think so and simply didn't recognize it. Old drivers didn't help either. I don't know if there are new drivers available online for such an old model, but without them, I think it will be difficult. Just some food for thought.

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Dr Motor

1/13/2009 6:09 PM UTC

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Amaranth

Today, something happened. They brought new equipment to our school (from flat-screen TVs to a mousepad), and there were several computers among them. I don't know about all of them, but the one I saw (and also installed) had Vista. Well, nothing unusual happened until I started connecting the printer at the end. And that's when the trouble began. The printer is old, yes, it's about 10 years old, but it's still working. But Vista didn't think so and simply didn't recognize it. Old drivers didn't help either. I don't know if there are new drivers for such old models online, but I think it will be difficult without them. Just something to think about.

Yeah, now they even put stickers on hardware that say "supports Vista" - that's just unbelievable, hardware bending over backwards for a program! As one blogger said -

My foot is suitable for new boots, my stomach can handle digesting the chemical composition of next-generation hamburgers, how lucky!

By the way, the blogger is "really awesome" sometimes (I can give you a link if you're interested).

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Amko

1/13/2009 6:30 PM UTC

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Yeah, right, nowadays they even put stickers on hardware saying "supports Vista" - that's just ridiculous! The hardware is bending over backwards to support the software!

I haven't seen anything like that with hardware (except for motherboards, but that's normal for them; mine, for example, says it only supports Windows XP and Vista, I haven't checked, and I don't need it), but they like to write that on all sorts of printers and the like. It's just a marketing gimmick, like "look, our copier/printer/fax/coffee maker is super new, it supports Vista!" >.<

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Dr Motor

1/13/2009 6:42 PM UTC

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Amaranth

I haven't seen anything like that regarding hardware.

Just go to any store and look at almost any laptop – almost all of them have that sticker. Any laptop, whose power a regular user wouldn't even be able to utilize to 50% (simply because they aren't capable of it – there aren't tasks that require it), supports Windows Vista – what more could you need for happiness?

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Amko

1/13/2009 7:33 PM UTC

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By "hardware," I meant components, not ready-made laptops. And almost all laptops have a sticker because they come with Vista pre-installed, so they put a sticker on it.

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Dr Motor

1/13/2009 7:48 PM UTC

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Amaranth

By "iron," I meant components, not ready-made laptops. And there's a sticker on almost all laptops because they come with Windows Vista pre-installed, so they write something like " for Windows Vista."

That's exactly the point – they write something like " for Windows Vista."