A Warrior hero from the Dungeon faction? That's absurd... — Dungeon

СКИФ

12/31/2008 6:04 AM UTC

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I'll start by saying that "a huge amount of attack!" is more of a nice bonus than a foundation for developing a warrior. And most importantly, note that the inhabitants of the Dungeon are simply made to fight under the command of a mage! The Hydra is just a "tank"! Lots of HP, decent armor, regeneration, slow and low initiative! And the Black Dragon is perfect! Immune to magic, and you can break its hide with a spear!) Now let's consider the beginning of the game. The starting units are very weak and die quickly, and I personally prefer to play on the highest difficulty, so I have to destroy the enemy before he gets close. In general, I could go on for a long time, but it's pointless, because (in my opinion) it's an obvious truth: We say Dungeon, we mean mage, we say mage, we mean Dungeon!)))
P.S. And, for example, how do you deal with Elven "wood" if not with magic??? O__o

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WoodElf

12/31/2008 6:41 AM UTC

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Dajn-mag? I disagree. I believe that all heroes in the Dark Elf faction are battlemages because their attack stat increases along with their magic skill:)
The most battlemage-like heroes are Iranna, Vainshan, Kifrah, Sorgall, and Erin. The others are, of course, much more mages than fighters.
Developing a Warlock often leads to an increase in attack and logistics, so it would be a sin not to take advantage of that...
Here's an example with Iranna:
1. Education
2. Chaos
3. Attack
4. Luck
5. Logistics
It won't be possible to create a pure warrior-mage for one simple reason: even with a low magic skill, a Warlock casts spells instead of shooting:)...

Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:

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Wistrit

12/31/2008 8:07 AM UTC

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A huge amount of attack is half the battle, and considering that the riders also break through the enemy's defense, you can immediately forget about one enemy unit. The main thing is to manage to attack.
Furies also bite very hard and are fast, so they are quite good at mowing down slow enemies.
Ents can be killed with the same furies and riders, or with anything else – there's nothing special about them.

At the beginning, you can use only furies or hunters.
And if we're talking about it, it's better to have at least a combat mage, rather than a pure mage, because wasting all your attack points is not very good either.;)

The most combat-oriented mages are Iranna, Weinshan, Kifrah, Sorgall, and Erin. The rest are much more mages than fighters.

Unless it's just because of their special abilities. Primary skills grow at the same rate.

You can't create a warrior-mage for one simple reason: even with low magic, a Warlock casts spells, rather than shooting.

And why is that?

By the way, I recently played... the skills turned out like this:
8 - 7 - 6 - 3
What's wrong with that being a warrior? :)

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Мститель

12/31/2008 10:28 AM UTC

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WoodElf

Dahn-mag? I disagree. I believe that all Dark Elf heroes are battlemages because their attack, as well as their magic, increases:)
The most battlemage-like heroes are Iranna, Vainshan, Kifra, Sorgall, and Erin. The others are much more mages than fighters.
Developing a Warlock often leads to increased attack and logistics; it would be a sin not to take advantage of that...
I'll show an example with Iranna:
1. Education
2. Chaos
3. Attack
4. Luck
5. Logistics
It won't be possible to create a warrior-mage for one simple reason: even with low magic, a Warlock casts spells instead of shooting...

I'm almost certain that Warlocks need magic as much as they need air.

So, it seems that you need to sacrifice either attack, or logistics, or luck for the sake of magic.

Amko

12/31/2008 10:41 AM UTC

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In the summer, magic isn't particularly necessary. In general, Letos is also a quite capable warlock-warrior, certainly no worse than Vaishan.

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Wistrit

12/31/2008 10:44 AM UTC

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He doesn't really need any magical skills other than Darkness; a pure mage build doesn't seem very effective. Darkness is too unreliable without troops, and summoning is also not ideal.

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Amko

12/31/2008 11:08 AM UTC

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I agree. But you should still invest in education; he is, after all, a Warlock. In addition to Darkness and Education, I would take Logistics and Attack/Defense, depending on which skill becomes available faster.

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Мститель

12/31/2008 1:31 PM UTC

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Amaranth

Letos doesn't really need much magic. In general, Letos is also a quite capable warlock-warrior, certainly no worse than Vaishan.

Does this mean that Letos won't cast anything other than lower-level dark magic?

If that's the case, then why does he get so many magic points when he levels up? After all, you don't need a high magic skill to cast lower-level dark magic.

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Wistrit

12/31/2008 1:37 PM UTC

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For example, the duration of the Plague spell or the duration of the Darkness spell.

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Amko

12/31/2008 1:43 PM UTC

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Avenger

Does this mean that Lethos will only cast spells related to the lowest common darkness? <...>

No. First, he will cast both lower and non-lower darkness spells, which means that magic won't always work. And I'm not denying that magic is a useful skill, but attack, logistics, and defense are just as useful.
By the way, mass plague heavily depends on Spell Power, even though it's only a second-level spell.

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Lord Vampire

1/1/2009 8:06 AM UTC

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Warlocks are more mages than warriors. Their main task is to quickly destroy the enemy's main troop stacks with their units and finish off the rest with magic. Dark elves won't survive long on the battlefield, unless they have Hydras.

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Мститель

1/1/2009 10:17 AM UTC

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Dark Elves have a high attack stat, and their units are powerful; just look at the Furies and Lizardmen. Not to mention the Dragons. Minotaurs may be slow, but if they get close and attack twice, especially with Lizardmen nearby!

Moreover, a hero with high magic skills implies a high effectiveness for their turn. Therefore, it makes sense to use both advantages,

that is, to develop a combat mage.

In this regard, it seems logical to develop a lucky wizard.

Lord Vampire

1/1/2009 11:55 AM UTC

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Okay. Let's take dueling heroes as an example. Synitar is a pure mage. Erin is a battlemage. So, who is better?:)

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Wistrit

1/1/2009 11:58 AM UTC

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But on the Random Town Artifact map, a Warlock-Warrior build is definitely viable! For example, when you absolutely need to eliminate the Dwarves before they start attacking with Armageddon.

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Мститель

1/1/2009 4:15 PM UTC

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Lord Vampire

Okay. Let's take dueling heroes as an example. Sinithar is a pure mage. Erin is a battle mage. So, who is better?:)

This is a strong argument:)

I can only say that if you continue to develop Sinithar, take attack, luck is already there (by the way, a combat skill), he could become an excellent battle mage, because the main, most effective magical skills are taken.