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My version: Premier League - 8 players round-robin. 5th-6th places go to a transitional tournament with 3rd-4th places of the lower league, 7th-8th are relegated.
Non-Premier League - 16 players and Swiss system. 1st-2nd go up directly, 3rd-4th in playoff matches up to 2 wins or a group mini-tournament. 13th-16th places are relegated, 9th-12th in the transitional tournament (I'll explain why so many: quite a few strong newcomers arrive, and some veterans may lose interest or be limited by time), resulting in even slightly more players than 10+10, but also more rotation. IMHO transitional matches must exist, like an extra chance and an extra filter at the same time. (so that ends up being 7 games in both)
Qualifiers - dunno.. but I doubt many players will gather for a Swiss system.
P.S. the rating stinks.invisible
Yes, and one more thing: the time needs to be set to 6 minutes, because most TОПs of ХВ (and not only) already play at that time.
My suggestion: Premier League - 8 players in a round-robin format. 5th-6th place participate in a qualifying tournament with the 3rd-4th places from the lower league, and 7th-8th place are eliminated.
Non-Premier League - 16 players in a Swiss-system tournament. 1st-2nd place advance directly, 3rd-4th place compete in a best-of-two or round-robin playoff. 13th-16th place are eliminated, and 9th-12th place participate in a qualifying tournament (I'll explain why so many: there are many strong new players, and some of the veterans may have lost interest or have limited time). In the end, there are even slightly more than 10+10 players, but this allows for more rotation. IMO, qualifying matches should be mandatory, as they provide an additional chance and an additional filter. (This results in 7 games in each league)
Okay.
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I think that in the Leagues, games should only be played using a round-robin system, as round-robin is more objective in determining the strongest player than a Swiss system.
I suggest 10+14. League 2 has more players because there are more average players than professionals.
The most important thing is that with this scheme, everyone will play against a player of approximately equal strength!!!
Rotation in the leagues - if half of the participants in League 1 are changed, and 75% in League 2, it will be pointless, in my opinion...
There will definitely be a rotation, as many players are simply leaving Heroes forever or temporarily. It's easier to legalize it:) 75% is an exaggeration, although even if that happens, I don't think it will be a problem for the second tier, and 25-50% for the top tier seems reasonable. And it will give the mid-tier players an incentive to compete.
Hmm, it seems that the "2 Leagues + selection" option is supported by everyone; the discussion is mainly focused on determining the number of participants in the leagues and the size of the rotation after each season. I suggest choosing a few options and holding a vote in this thread.
There won't be enough players for 2 leagues. There will be many technical defeats, withdrawals from the tournament, etc.
Based on the previous season, I counted 20 players who played 15+ matches, i.e., showed consistent activity. Plus, there are players who play rarely, only in tournaments (Uran, Dudge, Nagan, Evgeny, me, etc.). Plus, someone might come from Heroes of Might and Magic (this question also needs to be clarified). I think there will be 40-50 people. If there aren't enough, we'll adjust.
Modification of my version (although I like this one less):
Just run at least one qualifying round, and then you'll see the number of participants and their level of activity. You can use that as a basis for creating the regulations. I don't think you'll find 24 sufficiently active players, plus however many more for the qualifying rounds.
I see that many people want to participate in the RP:D. Regarding the structure, one thing is clear to me: There will be 10 people in League 1. Every six months, some of them drop to the second tier, and vice versa, the same number of leaders move up to League 1. As for the players on the portal, I'm not sure, but Vitalik, for example, is kind of neither here nor there. So, let's keep the entry open – and if they climb to the top, let them defend the interests of the world. I don't think we can calculate the number of people in League 2, so I suggest a simple solution: a round-robin tournament with free entry, the top five places go to the top, and the bottom five from the top are eliminated until the next qualifier.
This season, there are fewer than 30 active players. If you create a League with 24 participants, what kind of competition will it be?! Will all participants make it into one of the Leagues (and in the case of dropouts and withdrawals from the tournament, there will still be a couple of vacant spots in the second League, where you can get in just like that)? What will be the point of the prestige of getting into it?!! I thought about it a bit and regret that I suggested 20, and now I'm reading that it's already 24, etc... Even if there are many participants, almost every player will be able to get into the top twenty. But let's create a League from 1st to 50th place. Everyone after the tournament is guaranteed to get into the League. The entire community will walk around and be proud of this, showing each other their medals. All players from other resources will envy us with black envy)). Okay, decide as you see fit, I just made a suggestion! IMHO, for me, it won't be prestigious to play in a tournament where every participant is a winner! I'm generally FOR only the TOP-10, but to encourage newcomers, you can make it 10+10 (but no more). There will be another inter-portal: fighters from League 1 are ready to fight. If more participants are needed, then the second tier is ready! We need to come up with a name for this League: for example, "Cool Guys"!:)
I propose a TOP 16 for the 1st division (so that you can play either a league or a cup, or both at once), and also have 2 reserve players for each team of ten players. TOP 10 is too little, TOP 20 is too much. Also, players who play for other resources cannot be in the 1st division, including those who did not make it into another resource's team. The 2nd division is an open "flexible" division (all who want can participate). Games from both divisions count towards the rating, but all points from the 1st division are counted double. And if any player from the 2nd division scores more points than any place in the TOP 16, then they have the right to challenge that place in the TOP 16 by playing a best-of-two match. Moreover, the player from the 2nd division decides, because they can maneuver, for example, challenge the 16th place, or score a few more points and then challenge the 1st place in the 1st division :smile13:
Dear Worlders! I am categorically against these new features. And not because of the details, but in essence. So: 1). I didn't understand the meaning and purpose of this tournament. For me, games are divided into: simple ones that are played during a season, and tournament ones. Accordingly, I treat tournament games with increased responsibility. During the season, I play to improve my skills. Is this tournament just one of many? Or what? Obviously, there shouldn't be too many tournaments. For example, I find it interesting to participate in such tournaments as Jebus Cross, I want to play in SoY, maybe even in Clan War. Everyone has their own thing, but I don't see it here. To determine who plays better, there is a rating (/topic/at/210169/). If you hold a tournament to identify the strongest players, then I would be interested in participating in a tournament with the strongest players from other resources (I hope to reach the level of such tournaments someday). But holding a tournament to identify the strongest player "in your environment" seems uninteresting to me. For example, based on saves, it’s already clear who is who.
2). Setting the goal of playing only against opponents of equal strength is wrong.
I forgot to write about player turnover: The 2 best from the qualifier automatically enter the 1st division, from which the 15th and 16th places are relegated, and another 2 (the 3rd and 4th places from the qualifier) earn the right to a "playoff" :) (up to 2 wins) against the players placed 14th and 13th respectively. Once every six months seems fine to me; everything will depend on the regulations, possibly adjusting the quota of the 1st division... Getting into the 1st division will be complicated by the fact that players like vitalic Paladin, etc., will not allow an easy top 1-4 finish in the qualifier. From the TOP 16, positions 1-12 automatically join the HeroesWorld team against other resources, according to their place or the regulations, for example 10 + 2 substitutes.
I don't understand the meaning and purpose of this tournament.
If you don't understand the meaning of this tournament, how can you be against it?
To determine who plays better, there is a rating.
The rating doesn't reveal the strongest player, because strong players can play against weak players (and they usually do). In this tournament, the TOP players will be much more objective than the rating leaders, because the selection will be a Swiss system, and the top ten will play a round-robin among themselves. Then we'll see who is really good.
Setting the goal to play only against equally strong opponents is wrong.
Then play against weak players if you like.
And making a tournament to identify the strongest player in "your environment" is not interesting to me.
If it's not interesting, don't participate. In my opinion, the voting here is not about whether to hold such a tournament or not. It's just about clarifying the details, but I can assure you that such a competition will happen
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