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What do you mean by "something"? If you mean meaningless phrases that are not a continuation or response to other posts, then I agree with you. But deleting and condemning messages that are a response to previous posts and are contextually related, without reading everything, but only this post, is to some extent unfair.
And regarding the IP address, it is displayed ONLY to a narrow circle of users (moderators, administrators, etc.). You couldn't answer this question.
And what about this one?: 2) People need to be invited there, but many won't go because everything new is scary. And it also takes time for enough people to gather there.
Don't deceive yourself! The messages were deleted only because they had nothing to do with the topic of the thread!
Regarding the IP. I answered the question as it was asked. The question did not specify who exactly can see the IP. That's one thing! And secondly, the IP in Hamachi has nothing to do with the IP of the computer itself!
Regarding the second question. Firstly, the forum was also something new for everyone. And people came! Well, that's just by the way. And I mentioned Hamachi as an option for communication. And secondly. There is no chat, and I sincerely sympathize with all of you (I'm not bluffing). But Arandor has already answered this:
there is a thread called "Haven of Debauchery"
. As they say, You're Welcome!
ewgeniy
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Here's what I'm talking about: the chat isn't working, and where, in your opinion, moderators, should we engage in idle chatter? Through ICQ? That won't work! ICQ is only for two people. Private messages are the same. On another website?
Install the useful Skype program – it supports multi-user chat, it's free, easy to install, and has tons of emoticons.
Because people want to chat, but the chat isn't working here. And messages are being deleted in the special section. For your information, Luchik, you need to read not just one message, but everything that was written before. It depends on the context.
I'll disappoint you, I visit ALL sections of the forum and read everything! Although I only post in 4 of them. So, please pay attention, I don't want to see what you're doing here on the HEROES FORUM! And neither do most forum users.
There's practically nothing more to add...
Here, is this what I was talking about regarding "Might and Magic"? Direct threats have already begun, like: "I am everything, and you are nothing."
Were you talking about the power to come home in the evening and moderate? Were you talking about the power to be responsible for the Tournaments taking place in your section? About the power to prevent topics like "Download porn, incest" and so on from appearing? Maybe that's also a topic for discussion? It's just idle chatter, right?
Then let the admin write his opinion here. Moderators don't decide anything; it's not within their authority.
Coordinators have the authority, and those are VDV, Luch, and Hack – and the Creator will surely find something more useful to do with his time, such as fixing the chat (as far as I understand, we just have to wait until the new year – there will be a different forum engine, and everything will change).
First of all: what is the purpose of the forum? I was so naive that I thought the forum was created for communication.
But that's not the case! The forum is created for communication on specific topics; otherwise, there would be one forum on the entire internet with one single topic, where everyone would write everything that comes to mind. I'll highlight the main point below:
Well, what have you all started here, comrades? You needed to clean up the topic about the old-timers (which has already been done), but now you're just engaging in idle chatter.
It seems we're already engaging in idle chatter in this topic, and soon it will be closed, and that's the right thing to do...
Но поскольку я нищий, у меня лишь есть мечты. Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами. Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.
временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.
Аренгар
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Don't deceive yourself! The messages were deleted only because they had nothing to do with the topic of the thread!
What? Am I supposed to teach you? That messages that have become off-topic but are popular should not be deleted, but rather new topics should be created, and everything should be moved there! And inform in the original topic that everything has been moved to the newly created one, and those who are interested can go there. But deleting CURRENT messages WITHOUT the author's knowledge is simply a SPIT IN HIS FACE.
No more about Hamachi, or my prophecy will come true, and many will leave here.
And secondly. There is no chat, I sincerely sympathize with all of you (I'm not bluffing).
I know. I know that the speed of chat repair does not depend on you. But at the same time, you are trying to defend and cover up those who do not understand that without a chat, people chat on the forum. Be patient until the chat is working, and then it will be easier. BUT, I repeat, DO NOT DELETE, DO NOT JUDGE, and DO NOT BAN users who are chatting in a specially designated section for this.
But Arandor was faster with the answer: Quote: there is a topic "Haven of Debauchery". As they say, You're Welcome!
Didn't it seem to you that such a name repels people? For your information: I have never been there and do not intend to go there!! Besides, there is a section where off-topic and chat are "not prohibited".
I'll disappoint you, I am IN ALL sections of the forum, I read everything! Although I only post in 4 of them. Therefore, I really don't want to see what you are doing here on the HEROES FORUM. And most forum users too.
Were there complaints from this very majority?
but that's not the case at all! The forum is created for communication on specific topics, otherwise there would be one forum on the entire Internet with one single topic, in which everyone would write everything that comes to their mind.
And what are the moderators for? To tyrannize users? If it's too lazy to work a little with the mouse. Well, yes! It's easier to delete and ban than:
What? Am I supposed to teach you? That messages that have become off-topic but are popular should not be deleted, but rather new topics should be created, and everything should be moved there! And inform in the original topic that everything has been moved to the newly created one, and those who are interested can go there.
Here we go again:
it seems that we are already chatting in this topic to the fullest - and soon it will be closed, and that's right...
Instead of moving it to a separate topic. But what we are discussing here is relevant and useful!
P.S. And I thought I was lazy...
Не смотри мне в Глаза!
Arandor
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Haven of Vice..."users" chose this name themselves; there was even a vote.
Be strong. Believe
ewgeniy
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Instead of moving it to a separate topic... what we're discussing here is actually relevant and useful!
I didn't notice any benefit...
And what are the moderators for? To harass users? If it's too much effort to use the mouse a little. Well, yes! It's easier to delete and ban than:
it's definitely not to move messages like "hairy head" to a topic (it's still unclear what kind of topic that should be...), just because you want to.
P.S. I thought I was lazy...
I don't know, maybe you're not lazy, but you're not in a position to tell the moderators what to delete, what to move, and what to leave. If you want to continue this discussion, write in PM.
Но поскольку я нищий, у меня лишь есть мечты. Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами. Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.
временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.
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Arengar
Don't you think that such a name might repel people? For your information: I haven't been there once and don't intend to! Besides, there is a section where "off-topic" and "flood" are "not prohibited."
Hehe)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) A perfectly peaceful name, the content vaguely corresponds to the name, moderators hang out there, everything is quite decent)))))))))))))) You need to understand humor))))) Haven of debauchery rules)))))
Okay, now let's get to the point. Everyone is familiar with the rules about flood, off-topic, and other nonsense. BUT:Haven rules
The following points apply to all sections, except for the 'Social-fun-entertainment section':
* If a user's message consists of more than 15% and less than 30% flood, the user's message is edited by a moderator, and the flood in this message is placed in the
[FLOOD]...[/FLOOD]
tag. * If a user's message consists of more than 15% and less than 30% off-topic, the user's message is edited by a moderator, and the off-topic in this message is placed in the
[OFFTOPIC]...[/OFFTOPIC]
tag. * If a user's message consists of more than 30% flood, the user's message is deleted by a moderator with the note 'Flood'. * If a user's message consists of more than 30% off-topic, the user's message is deleted by a moderator with the note 'Off-topic'. * If two or three or more small messages are left in a row and they do not violate the rules of the portal, they should be combined with the note 'Two, three (or more) posts in a row'. * In case of detecting duplicate topics on the forum with an existing discussion of the topic in both topics, they should be merged. * In case of detecting a duplicate topic in which there has not yet been a discussion, it should be deleted with the note 'Duplicate topic [link to the primary topic]'. * In case of detecting a topic with a title that does not reflect the essence of the topic (For example: "Help...", "Need help", "I have a question", "Pliz help!!!!" and similar), it should be renamed, focusing on the question raised in the first message of this topic.
Personally, I don't support a bunch of unnecessary topics and off-topic, but nevertheless, according to the rules, they can exist in the entertainment section, and deleting them without a valid reason is not allowed. I believe that the task of the moderators of the entertainment section is not so much to fight flood and off-topic (the Creator himself ordered to flood), but to cut out swearing, flame, spam, and other such things.
А, вот почему.
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And here is the admin's historical post on this topic :) Although I won't argue that he might have changed his opinion by now, a fact is a fact :)
А, вот почему.
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Great. Crystal clear! The topic is closed; no dialogue came of it. It turned into a squabble. Everyone stuck to their own opinion. I consider this topic closed. For all of us, ХВ is something like home. Personally, I want to make it better.. But apparently you like living in a swamp. And it's a good thing the swamp has boundaries, and I won't let it crawl beyond them. After all, every home should have an appropriate room, and if someone likes living there, that's their right. It means they deserve it. I have nothing more to say, nor do I want to! Keep rotting away! This thread is closed; the discussion is over! Adios.
"Как это странно всегда.. Вроде бы взрослые люди, А в голове ерунда.. Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."
It seems that the last few pages of this thread have devolved into a personal squabble and settling of scores. And that's a shame.... I would always like to see more specific discussion on any topic. For some reason, it seems to me that in THIS thread, organizational issues should be discussed first - i.e., asking organizational questions to the moderators and offering constructive suggestions for our beloved portal. If someone really wants to chat about everything, there is a dedicated off-topic/entertainment thread for that - welcome!
A small suggestion - make it so that for any thread, it is always clear what can be written in it. Either provide explanations in the thread title, or (as is done in tournaments) - so that every page of the thread (not just the first) starts with an explanation of what the thread is for, and what can and cannot be written in it....
And a second suggestion. A regular user may be upset about their post being deleted by a moderator. There should be a way to appeal. But you find that your message has been deleted, with a small comment (not always obvious or indisputable)....but if the content of the post itself is no longer available (because it was deleted by the moderator), how can the user prove that they did not violate any rules? Therefore, gentlemen (and ladies too), moderators and coordinators - move the post to a closed thread, accessible only to you, and keep it for a certain period of time (e.g., 1 month). And then delete the unnecessary and prohibited content with your comments. Then, if the user wants to dispute your action, it will always be possible to retrieve this point of contention (the content of the deleted message) and discuss with the coordinator the legitimacy of the moderator's actions.
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Messages are removed by moderators 'softly', meaning users won't see them, but coordinators, moderators of the same section, and administrators will. If there are any questions, I think it's clear who to contact. On the other hand, in most cases, it's the unnecessary messages that are removed (the moderator isn't stupid :)), and creating another pile of messages is unnecessary, and moving messages, if I'm not mistaken, isn't allowed for everyone.
Просто еще один
Lu41k
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As I see it, the last few pages of this thread have simply turned into a personal squabble and settling of scores.
I agree, a dialogue, as I already said, did not work out. Therefore, the discussion of this issue is closed. I didn't create the rules, and it's not within my competence to change them.
A small suggestion - make it so that it is always visible for any topic - what can be written in it. Either give explanations in the topic title, or (as is done in Tournaments) - so that every (not just the first) page of the topic always starts with an explanation - what the topic is for, and what can and cannot be written in it....
When creating a topic, you can choose one of the existing titles (Tournament, Discussion, Problem, Question, etc.), or create your own, no one prevents this. The title of the topic itself should also contain the main goal, problem, or idea. Just like the first post should be as informative as possible. The first post can be pinned (as is done in tournament topics), then it will be visible on every new page. But if for tournaments this is more of a mandatory condition (it is still more convenient to open the last page and have the opportunity to see the rules, the table of participants on it, and not scroll to the first page - this saves time, traffic, and nerves, especially for the organizers, who have to edit the first post several times, adding participants to the table, etc.), then for other topics it is not at all mandatory. Currently, this function is disabled, probably due to the load on the forum (due to which some functions are disabled), but I cannot say for sure, I do not have such information. To know what can be written and what cannot, there are rules that ideally all users should read upon registration. But nothing prevents the author of the topic, when creating it, from writing about what he wants to see in his topic, and what is strictly not allowed. Although, in general, everyone should understand that it is necessary to write within the scope of this topic. This is exactly what moderators are for, whose responsibility is to monitor order in their assigned section. And the authors of topics need to create their topics competently. No one can force anyone to do this, so we can only hope for the conscientiousness of users.
And the second suggestion....
There are 2 types of post deletion: soft and physical. Only coordinators, and of course the administrator, can physically delete posts. Moderators do not have the authority to delete posts in this way; they delete posts softly. That is, the post becomes unreadable for users, but the moderator can view this post at any time, as well as restore it if it is proven that the post was deleted unlawfully. If a user disagrees with the moderator's decision, he can complain to the coordinator. The coordinator can read soft-deleted posts in any section, as well as restore them if necessary! This is why moderators do not have the ability to physically delete posts. Thus, the post does not disappear anywhere; it is simply hidden from view by users.
and moving messages, if I'm not mistaken, is not allowed for everyone.
A moderator has the ability to move messages or topics to any other topic or sub-section, but only if that topic, section, or sub-section is within their authority. For example, a moderator of the Heroes 5 section cannot move topics or messages to the Heroes 3 section.
Sincerely, Luchik.
"Как это странно всегда.. Вроде бы взрослые люди, А в голове ерунда.. Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."
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A moderator has the ability to move messages or topics to any other topic or sub-forum, but only if that topic, forum, or sub-forum is within their area of authority. For example, a moderator of the section for Heroes 5 cannot move topics or messages to the section for Heroes 3.
Well, why not? I once moved a topic from the general chat to the Art Gallery. I think you can move things to any place within your section, but if you put it in the wrong place, you'll have to sort it out later.
А, вот почему.
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ewgeniy
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messages can indeed be transferred from Heroes of Might and Magic V to Heroes of Might and Magic III, but you won't be able to transfer them back if you make a mistake.
I would like to know: will the topics and messages from the temporary HW "branch" – http://wfg.ru/forum//forum/section/122/ – be transferred after the "resurrection" of our forum?
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)
Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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