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Offline Boris K
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A level 23 Mage with Combat Archery is quite rare. But if a Knight allowed him to get it, it's his own fault for not attacking earlier. Knights aren't the best at street fights, unless they've trained a bunch of monks. I train them against the AI. And with people, we agree to have the final battle in an open field. If there are more than two of us, we have a round-robin tournament – everyone fights everyone else. I don't level up Combat Archery for either the Knight or the Mage. For the Knight, because it's not very effective (in my opinion). For the Mage, because it's hard to live without magic until you get Combat Archery. Although Combat Archery is good because instead of magic schools, you can level up something else. And in the campaign, my Zephyr, with Sympathy and his native magic schools, easily defeated Biara without Combat Archery.
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Offline WoodElf
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Why no magic, gentlemen...? For a single-unit army, a mage needs machines, spells, and education. You'll choose two skills yourself, but I usually take luck and one of the magic schools – Chaos or Summoning. It's designed so that a single-unit army is somehow easier to obtain for Narhiz; it's set up so that he takes Mentorship. Yes, you can't take Wisdom, but you'll get everything later. And regarding general spells... Why do you need them if you have Dominate, Resurrection, Phoenix, and Earth Shock at the highest level...? Another option: Holy Word, Vampirism, Summon Elementals, Meteor Shower... and many more...
Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:
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Offline Boris K
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If, in addition to Special Abilities, you also level up magic skills, you won't have any Special Abilities by level 23. Not every map has a mentor.
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This is the main drawback of Skill Acquisition, but if you've decided to do it, you can't back down; otherwise, after gaining not the most useful skills, you'll end up with a weak hero. But he who doesn't take risks, doesn't play Heroes.
Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:
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Offline Lord Vampire
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Definitely, the mage's ability is the best :) all the others require the hero to have a large army. Without it, constant luck or misfortune is useless :) but with so many spells, a mage can get out of any situation, even with an average army. Especially if it's an Orc. ;)
Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Offline Boris K
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I don't think a mage with Combat Alchemy (CA) can easily handle an equally leveled, well-developed hero (possibly also with CA) of another faction. There are several possibilities here. As I've said many times, the enemy might attack slightly earlier. Then, a mage with underdeveloped CA will have very few chances.

And Ora is my favorite mage. Especially in a long game. With Empathy and her native schools of magic, she can defeat any other mage with CA (IMHO). However, getting Empathy without a mentor is not much easier than getting CA. But it's safe.
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Boris K
I don't think a mage with Spell Power can easily handle an equally leveled, well-developed (possibly also with Spell Power) hero of another faction. There are possible scenarios. The main thing, as I've said many times, is that the enemy might attack a little earlier. Then, the mage with underdeveloped Spell Power will have very few chances.

And Oora is my favorite mage. Especially in a long game. With Empathy and her native schools of magic, she can defeat any other mage with Spell Power (IMHO). True, getting Empathy without a mentor is not much easier than getting Spell Power. But it's safe.
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I don't think that when a mage reaches Spell Power, he will have a small army.
But once he has Spell Power, he can take Titans and Rakshasa with him, and leave the rest in the city, because by creating Phantoms, resurrecting, and charming, the hero will become invincible.:smile08:
Regarding the situation if the enemy attacks earlier...
It's unlikely that he will do so if he has a large army. However, if it happens, the mage might lose most of his army...:smile15:
BUT... if he wins, he will gain a huge amount of experience and quite possibly Spell Power.
Gathering the remnants of his army in the city, he can calmly attack the enemy's capital, because he has such abilities as Earthquake and Control Machines:smile01: :smile01: :smile01:
Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:
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Offline Boris K
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Regarding the scenario where the enemy attacks first...
It's unlikely they'll do so if they have a large army. However, if it happens, the mage could lose most of their army...
BUT... if they win, they'll gain a huge amount of experience and possibly a Skill Point.
The enemy will also have a large army. Therefore, they will do it if they can reach the mage. Moreover, unlike the mage with an underdeveloped Skill Point, they will have some magic or battle cries. Therefore, the mage will most likely lose their entire army.

However, against an Orc with Sympathy and Counterspell, another mage's Skill Point will be useless. It simply won't allow them to cast spells. In a long game, they should have enough mana for almost the entire battle. However, in my Zehir's case with such a build, the mana ran out during a battle with Biara. But by that time, Biara had almost nothing left of her army.
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Offline Marshall_WP
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Since mages need mentoring for their spellcasting abilities, you can train a large number of secondary heroes, teaching them the skills of Chaos Master or Summoning Master. Give them an army of 7 golems each, and have them attack enemy heroes with phoenixes, Armageddons, and so on. This will compensate for the lack of magic in the main hero.
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Offline Lord Vampire
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So, are we talking about using AI in online games here? I thought we were just comparing which one is better. In that case, I'm strongly against AI. It's completely unnecessary. It interferes with its useless skills. Often, you need to develop differently for each race of the opponent, which is much more convenient and better. This is if we're talking about practical application. I'm telling you: don't use it. At least, don't try to use it when playing against me.
Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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I disagree with Lord Vampire...
True luck... I don't think the skills needed for it will be useless. You would have acquired them anyway, and here you also get a Special Ability.
1. Native Lands... +2 to speed on grass:)
2. Storm Wind... -1 speed to enemy flying units:)
3. Secrets of Light... wizards in the army spend 50% less mana when casting light spells. Dryads can dispel spells twice:)
4. Elven Luck - no comment.
+ Overall speed increase, overall retaliatory strike
The Special Ability of the Sylvan elves is quite easy to acquire, unlike others.
It's also very easy to acquire Unrelenting Force, especially with Laslo and Mive:)
Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:
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Offline Lord Vampire
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What is there to argue about?:) Truth is revealed in a debate:) We can remove the relentless power right away; it's not needed at all. You say that Elves are useful because of their skills?:) Perhaps the skills are well-designed if you're playing against Orcs and Humans:) If such an army plays against a Mage, with or without luck, it will be difficult. There are more important things for an Elf:) What is the average Specialist Archer (SA) level that Elves reach? And on what day? Do you absolutely need a mentor for this?
Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Offline Abbath
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The Call of Urgash. And no one shoots or fails to reach their destination on the first turn. Although, having played from the 2nd part up to the 5th, I can say that everything is decided by artifacts, initiative, and tactics.
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Absolute defense is great; I also remember playing with a friend, and he leveled up Elemental Fury, and I lost to him :(
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