Which monster do you like the most in Heroes 5 at level 7? — General

Mdance

17 years ago

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Wood Elf

They are slightly weaker than the Green faction.

Actually, the initiative stat of Ranger dragons is such that it's hard to call them weaker than other dragons. I advise you to read this post. It describes in detail the advantages of Union dragons over League dragons.

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

WoodElf

17 years ago

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To be honest, I like the emerald ones, but the crystal ones look terrible...
By the way, the price of the green dragon is 2500, which makes it the cheapest level 7 unit after the bone dragon. Usually, the price of a creature indicates how strong it is, and as much as I like elves, I admit that their dragons are slightly weaker than the dwarven ones...

Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:

Грязный Итальяшка

17 years ago

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Nobody is appealing on this level, neither in terms of appearance nor physical characteristics. What can I say, if the forest dragon alliance dragons aren't even tougher than an Ent. They hit harder and have higher initiative, but it's not worth paying several times more for them, especially for the upgraded ones. And as for the spectral dragons... I won't even comment. The Archangel, once a powerful figure in heavy armor with a huge sword, has turned into a cute little girl, and that's not the only problem. They also made the flight and attack animations frankly funny and silly. The devils turned out to be too simplistic. They no longer teleport as effectively as in Heroes 3 and 4, and they don't make such frightening sounds anymore. The Titan has been deprived of its elegant armor, and the melee attack animation looks clumsy. And all the dragons have become thin, small, and not as strong. The partial vulnerability to irresistible magic of the black dragon has completely infuriated me! What's the point of a mage learning irresistible magic if Armageddon will also kill the dragon?! In short, the black dragon from Heroes 5 doesn't compare to the black dragon from Heroes 4 in terms of appearance and power (that was a real dragon, a terrifying dragon!). And almost the same can be said about the Cyclops!

Soljie

17 years ago

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In terms of strength, any Cyclops with level 3 Fury is better than all the others, but I voted for the Thunderlord because of his ability, Storm (or whatever it's called).

Там бугага - там Ктулху бродит, Креведко на ветвях висит...

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Mdance

17 years ago

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Dirty Italian

Nobody likes him at this level.

Well, that's true.

Dirty Italian

Neither in appearance,

Something's wrong with your aesthetic perception, that's for sure.

Dirty Italian

nor in physical parameters.

And the same goes for the game mechanics.

Dirty Italian

What is there to say if the dragons of the Forest faction are not stronger than an Ent?

First, they are still stronger (in terms of total Defense and HP), and second, a dragon is an attacking unit, while an Ent is a defensive one. And it's specifically designed for solidifying defensive formations. So you need to imagine the whole picture, not just isolated parts.

Dirty Italian

They hit harder, have higher initiative, but it's not worth paying several times more for them, especially for the upgraded ones.

And what should you pay extra for, and why?

Isn't that enough?

Considering that initiative is one of the most important parameters, and a strong attack will reduce the retaliation. This isn't a simultaneous exchange of blows like in Heroes 3 or 4, don't forget. Here, the first strike decides a lot. After that, a second strike may not even be necessary.

Dirty Italian

And as for the spectral dragons... I won't even comment.

Take the Astral Dragons.

Dirty Italian

The Archangel, from a powerful man in heavy armor with a huge sword, turned into a cute girl, but that's not all.

Do men appeal to you more?

Dirty Italian

They also made the flight and attack animations frankly funny and silly.

It's a matter of taste...

Dirty Italian

The devils turned out to be too simple. They teleport less effectively than in Heroes 3 and 4.

See the point above.

Dirty Italian

And they don't make such frightening sounds anymore.

Oh, yes! The most important thing in Heroes is the frightening sounds!

Dirty Italian

The Titan was deprived of its elegant armor, and the melee attack animation looks clumsy.

Well, and of course, the strength of the Titans was in their elegant armor - who would argue?

And the animation is quite decent. Or do you suggest that an unarmed Titan should hit the enemy with its head instead of its leg?

Dirty Italian

Well, all the dragons have become skinny, small, and not as strong.

Of course, dragons should be big and fat.

Come on, man.

Dragons should be dangerous first and foremost.

And that has been successfully implemented.

Dirty Italian

The partial vulnerability to irresistible magic of the black dragon has finally angered me!!!

Well, yes. It's annoying that you can't cheat anymore...

Dirty Italian

What's the point of a sorcerer learning irresistible magic if Armageddon will also kill the dragon?!

Of course, there's no point. Because there are no other spells besides Armageddon...

Dirty Italian

In short, the Black Dragon from Heroes 5, in terms of appearance and power, cannot be compared to the Black Dragon from Heroes 4 (that was a real dragon, a terrible dragon!!!).

That's an incorrect statement. The Warlock is now a real Warlock, a terrible one. Against his background, the dragons have faded.

Dirty Italian

And almost the same can be said about the Cyclops!

It's clear that you haven't seen the Free Cyclops with a well-developed Barbarian.

In conclusion, I'll say: a grade of 2 for your post.

Study the game mechanics, watch replays.

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

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chirurgo

17 years ago

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I don't quite agree with you here... Titans really don't need armor, they are titans, but making them completely unarmed is also unnecessary. I remember there being artwork of a Titan's trident, but the Titan itself doesn't have its own trident... that's not right!:smile29:

WoodElf

Honestly, I like the emerald ones, and the crystal ones look terrible....
By the way, the green dragon costs 2500 – it's the cheapest level 7 unit after the bone dragon. Usually, the price of a creature indicates how strong it is, and as much as I love elves, I admit that their dragons are slightly weaker than the dwarves'.

Dwarven dragons are very slow and cannot be resurrected:smile18:

P.S. Request to merge the posts - said and done, but next time do it yourself - A.

нет слабых героев, есть кривые руки...

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Mdance

17 years ago

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chirurgo

I don't quite agree with you here... armor is really unnecessary for a Titan, after all, he's a Titan, but making him completely unarmed is also a mistake... I remember there's an artwork of a Titan's trident, but the Titan himself doesn't have his own trident... that's not right!:smile29:

Well, firstly, why would such a giant need a weapon if he can just trample anyone he needs to and that's it? And where would you even get enough metal to make a weapon of that size?:D
Secondly, we were talking about the fact that the animation is poorly done when the Titan already has weapons (that is, when he doesn't have any), which I think is wrong, because without a weapon, he can't fight properly...
And thirdly, heroes have Titan Tridents only because they were taken from the Titans.:smile52:

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

WoodElf

17 years ago

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In my opinion, the Titans really look worse than they did in the third game, and even more so in the fourth... After all, they are demigods, not blond, muscular energy freaks.

Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:

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Mdance

17 years ago

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WoodElf

In my opinion, the Titans really look worse than they did in the third game, and even more so in the fourth... After all, they are demigods, not blond, muscular energy beings:(

You can see demigods in Greek myths.:p
And in the world of Ashan, the Titans are artificially created beings made by Mages.

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

Dyrman

17 years ago

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Mdance, what do you think about the fire dragon? Well, it's definitely not normal. I like the Cyclops, but they're a bit too flashy. They remind me of gypsies.

Грязный Итальяшка

17 years ago

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Mdance, you can laugh as much as you want. My aesthetic perception is fine. It's a matter of taste, as they say. As for the technical details, the physical parameters were disappointing. Almost all of them have a health value that's slightly above 200 (except perhaps the lava dragon). And it's unclear why the Titan only has 190:smile48:. While some of the level 6 creatures have health values ranging from 135-145, and this one only has 180! In the third game, the most powerful level 6 creatures had a maximum of 110-120 hit points, and level 7 creatures had 300! There was a reason to strive to build and develop them. The attack, defense, and damage of the units in the fifth game haven't suffered; they're more or less comparable to the third game, but the fact that the level 5 and 6 units have "aged" is also a factor.

Amko

17 years ago

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And it's completely unclear to me why they only gave him 190.

He's a ranged attacker; why would he need a lot of hit points? Also, learn to distinguish between offensive warriors (Titans, Emerald Dragons) and defensive ones (Ents, Lava Dragons).

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Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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I don't understand))) and what do the hit points of the third game have to do with it?))) In Counter-Strike, everyone always has 100 HP, and no one complains. In the fifth game, there's its own balance, its own combat system, everything is different, and the HP and everything else that the creatures have are adjusted accordingly. In my opinion, all the creatures are useful and worth their cost. Perhaps except for the skeletal dragons:) and it's not worth using ents as an example:) since it has so many hit points and good defense, better than anyone else. This means it has something to protect. That is, other creatures of the Sylvan faction die quickly. The same fairies, dancers, archers. They die easily. Unlike gnomes, ghosts, minotaurs, and knights. It's all about balance, people:) everything is built on it:) if someone has too much of something in one place, then they have less of something else;)

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

:smile24::smile24::smile24::smile24::smile24:

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Mdance

17 years ago

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I agree with Amaranth and Lord. We could also start comparing them to things like the Azure Dragons from the third game or the Mega-Dragon from the fourth. But there's no point in that comparison. The balance in the fifth game is built in such a way that having a couple of dragons won't give you an easy advantage in the form of effortless clearing of the map. And the value of units at lower levels is noticeably greater than in previous games in the series. And regarding the stats, Am is right. The characteristics of units with offensive and defensive roles can vary greatly. Take the Phoenixes, for example. They only have 150 HP. But their high initiative, flight, self-resurrection, and fire shield make them one of the most dangerous creatures.

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

Мститель

17 years ago

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I really like the new dragon upgrade for the Dark Elves lately. Both in terms of appearance and characteristics. Burning is simply an excellent ability for these dragons (+50% to damage!). Especially considering: 1. the high attack power of the Dark Elves, 2. the high probability of having luck - the damage bonus is even greater, 3. high damage implies that the elemental vulnerability works even more effectively, meaning that +50% to damage is exactly what's needed here. 4. No one retaliates against these attacks on the dragons. As a result, they can be considered one of the strongest creatures of level 7. It's a pity that the animation for the burning ability isn't quite polished.