Posts from Cheating on Heroesworld (Offenders and penalties)

Fun :)
As they say... "Only spam is worse than fighting spam" (c) creating a bunch of blacklists and so on...
Are you planning to add mandatory recording of all games on video?
Saves for each day?
I also think it would be worth gathering once a season in one place where everyone should place their hand on a holy book (some kind of book) and swear to their honesty.
And, of course, after some time, it would be worth sending an outside observer to each player's home for each game (it would also be good to have an observer for the observer, just in case...).

"...Then they fought not out of malice,
And all that was good in them
They destroyed..."
Vladimir Semenovich Vysotsky

because I look down on many (not all, but many) people who have turned Heroes into a way to make money, and that's exactly what it is!

It's strange to hear this from a person who plays for money himself. However, contempt is contempt, but debts must be paid; those who don't are truly deserving of contempt, and there can be no trust in them whatsoever; you can expect anything from such a person, including cheating. IMHO.

Dear users, as I feared, the topic has strayed slightly from its intended course. Here, we should be discussing either suggestions or save files and games, not individuals. Posts like "this player wasn't cheating when playing against me" are not needed here. Because if he cheated in a specific game, and there is evidence to support that, it is absolutely irrelevant how many games he played fairly. Perhaps it would even be worth editing Paladin's post, leaving only the part where he talks about unfair play, and not discussing who owes money to whom.

p.1 I repeat, what is important to me is the player's unworthy behavior; I don't know if he cheated, and I didn't know before. If you remove my main complaint (his debts), then basically all that will remain of my post is a warning to people not to play with Felix for money. This is what worries me the most, as I know he still does it. I am not accusing him of cheating.

p.2 Of course, the fact that he has many victories and is at the top of the ranking is just an emotional reaction. Yes, it's unpleasant that a person cheats repeatedly and is at the top, but that's just an emotion. But his deception was really only about money and bets. The fact that he was a weak player is true. But the ranking system is somewhat simplistic; you don't even need to cheat, just play a lot and often, and you'll accumulate a lot of points. I apologize to those people whose statements led to accusations of cheating. But if someone has real evidence, then I think it's worth listening to. I repeat, Felix is very cunning, but that is not a reason to suspect him of cheating. Felix acted unworthily, but this is only an indirect indicator, meaning he could be a cheater, but it's not a fact. But he can also be a player who respects the rules, and why? Because he loves the game and dives into it; maybe deep down, he respects these rules, and the rest is just a formality – whether he gives his word or pays his debts, he doesn't care. I'm not joking. My position is simple: I don't trust this person; he might let you down. But if you're interested, learn from your mistakes; if not, avoid such people.
p.s. Personally, I love playing for money, but now I have a family and a small child, and all my earnings go there, and I don't have money to gamble and bet on games. In the last year and a half, I've played for money twice, for a purely symbolic amount of $10, and I didn't even collect one of those tens, I just forgot.)))
But when I was single, I constantly hung out in clubs and played for bets of $25-50. The players were like DS_Vasya; you can't earn much with them.)))

I also think it would be a good idea to gather in one place once a season, where everyone should place their hand on a sacred book (any book) and swear to their honesty.

On the Physics and Mathematics forum :D

Didn't think I'd have to bring this up, but due to the inappropriate actions of a former opponent, I now have a rather tarnished reputation, and it still haunts me... It's unpleasant... I'll try to clear up this mess; this is a suitable topic. The essence of the conflict is this: after a game (which I lost :D), the opponent accused me of using Tazar for DD (Damage Dealing) on turns 113 and 114. Looking at the save files, nothing else comes to mind – Tazar can't possibly cover that much ground in a single day. In short, I spent half a day racking my brain and couldn't figure it out... There were theories about synchronization issues. I asked for the save files from previous days (I wasn't saving my own in ranked games at the time) and after playing around with them, the save from turn 112 put everything in perspective. Iona and Ignessa were either practically motionless for an entire day, or they started flying or DD-ing like crazy :D (I don't remember exactly what and how, it was a long time ago, and I don't feel like digging into it again, but the essence remains) + Tazar was standing right next to the zombies on one of the turns. When asked if saves were made in the middle of my turn, I received an affirmative answer, and the puzzle pieces fell into place. Apparently, the heroes' locations were recorded at the time of the save, while the amount of MP was recorded as of the beginning of the day. I've only presented the facts, but even if you think about it, what was the point of doing this? What were the motives? Why only twice during the game?:D Why with a player who isn't even in the top rankings? And how could I have possibly lost such an important ranked game while using cheats?:D The save files are attached. Perhaps this experience will be useful for some of the newcomers.

Felix sent me this link and asked me to comment. 1. Regarding cheating. This is definitely a topic that needs to be addressed! We need to identify and eliminate cheaters, and the sooner, the better. Like any surgery, it will be painful at first, but things will improve afterward. If a newbie (who, in my opinion, is more likely to cheat because they want to win at all costs and make a name for themselves) encounters a cheater, they might be afraid to accuse them for obvious reasons and start doing the same, thinking that it's not really frowned upon. Therefore, the punishment for cheating should be made very public! We need to declare a hunt for cheaters – at the very least, they will feel uncomfortable and have to look over their shoulders. And when we catch them, we should ban them immediately :smile29:. 2. Personally, regarding Felix. I only played one game with him. I didn't check his saves because I won. There was a moment in the beginning of the second week where he appeared very successfully near my secondary town, and just when Kir was there, preparing for an attack. However, he made a mistake and didn't split his units :confused:, which allowed me to escape. Maybe he just had a bad game, but apart from that moment, I didn't feel any resistance. In light of what has been said here, everything fits, but I can't say for sure that he's a cheater based on just one game. By the way, Beshi has a good thread about this...

In response to the question of whether saves were made in the middle of my turn, I received an affirmative answer, and the picture becomes clear. Apparently, the location of the heroes was recorded at the time of the save, and the amount of mana points as of the beginning of the day. Maybe this experience will be useful for some of the newbies.

I used to make similar saves when I was a newbie :), and there's no point in talking about their correctness. You can save in such a way that it's not about violating the rules, but about cheating. So be careful with your conclusions and arguments.

I had a really strange game with Britvotchka here...
Towards the end of week 3, I was crawling towards the opponent's lands, defeated the guards, and revealed the map. From there, I saw that Orrin was positioned for a rush on silver pegasi, not far from the metro (the entrance to which hadn't been breached). Meanwhile, Ivor dove into the underground on my side and spotted a secondary dungeon. On the next turn, Orrin, after defeating the guards on his side, headed straight for Ivor and attacked. I bought my way out and saw that the opponent was returning to take a +1 attack bonus....

The question is, why didn't he do that right away???
And secondly, if there was no vision (in the metro), how did he immediately attack Ivor??
And thirdly, was vision revealed on the opponent's side (could he have noticed Ivor going into the metro)???

If the save files show that the plans for revealing vision weren't carried out, then how did he manage to attack like that???

There's no need to start a thread for the following reasons:
1. The person starting the thread is a cheater themselves.
2. There's no point in trying to find the cheaters anyway.
3. Even if a cheater is found, no one will want to play with them, so the suggestion of a ban is pointless. It's the same thing.
4. You can identify cheaters yourself and simply avoid playing with them. If someone can't figure it out from the save files, let them keep track of statistics for these "heroes."
5. Public opinion speaks volumes.
Regarding the video, let everyone think what they want. But today, my phone, which contained the video, was stolen at work.
Here are some more ways to cheat:
1. Copying save files from one version of Heroes to another, launching the other version, and revealing the map (by the way, advanced players have all versions, including the Trial Edition, etc.).
2. The most well-known method, especially to our friend Felix, is viewing the map in the editor.
3. "ArtMoney" also works well, but the key is not to overdo it.
4. I also saw a cheat program specifically written for Heroes online, but I never figured out how it works.
I think some of you recognize yourselves in this.
Yes, you'll probably start saying, "What about you? Are you a cheater?" But you can't prove it!
This is how we play, dear friends.
I AM NOT A CHEATER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN :smile03:, DO YOU BELIEVE ME?

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The essence of the conflict is as follows: after the game (which I lost :D), my opponent accused me of using Tazar's Dimension Door on 114 and 115. Looking at the saves, nothing else comes to mind — Tazar cannot cover that distance in a day. In short, I spent half a day racking my brain and understood absolutely nothing...

2Javdet: A long time ago, someone sent me those saves via ICQ in a private message. I looked at them and also didn't understand.
I have only one version. Most likely, when Tazar was making his move attacking the zombies, the red player saved the game at that exact moment. This resulted in Tazar having new MP upon the turn transfer, and since the battle hadn't ended, the zombies simply remained untouched in the save, standing next to Tazar.
In general, saves made during another player's turn are NOT CONSIDERED!!!If everything here was by the rules and the saves were made exclusively at the end of the red player's turn, then something is clearly wrong!

Regarding cheating in general. Gentlemen, please, don't play with just anyone.... Why do you play if you don't know your opponent, and then act surprised? Personally, I only play with those I am 100% sure of, and the thought of cheating never even occurs to me. It's a different matter if fate brings you together with an unknown opponent in Tournaments... Well, be vigilant here; as they say, make saves, analyze carefully, and you will find happiness!

Gentlemen, this is an interesting topic!
Here, we can exchange opinions and suspicions, facts and accusations, and perhaps someone will find it useful and be more cautious. As they say, forewarned is forearmed! :)\br
1. Felix is a cheater! He's quite skilled, to be sure (in that regard), but I haven't been able to catch him red-handed yet, but I'm 99% sure!
I played with him, and the analysis of the game (not just mine) proves it to me.

2. Britvotchka is also a cheater! Another skilled scoundrel! I banned him on HP for this; his nickname was "Britva".

But, unfortunately, I can't provide any concrete evidence yet. It's very difficult to catch and prove such things in Heroes, but it's possible!
So, I apologize for the lack of proof, but even without it, I want to warn someone! So that decent players don't waste their time on these scoundrels!

P.S. Yesterday, something funny happened. I invited three Heroic monster players from Moscow to visit and have a few drinks. Then I thought, why not try to catch and prove it publicly, so to speak, but Felix refused to play, as if he sensed that trouble was brewing...

To avoid offending the moderators and the person who started the topic, I didn't swear; everything was according to Dal's dictionary

Gentlemen, this is a cool topic!
Here you can exchange opinions and suspicions, facts and accusations, and perhaps someone will need it and be more cautious. As they say, forewarned is forearmed!

Yes, the topic is cool, but I am increasingly convinced that I shouldn't have helped create it - although there is definitely some benefit to it. I repeat once again: if cheating hasn't been proven, don't say that a person is a cheater - it's just a hypothesis...

Eliminating cheating is a very important task. I suggest creating a table/board (like they used to have in the USSR) of suspicions, with attached save files of suspicious games – let players view them and express their opinions in such a thread. By reading it, you can get a general idea of who you are going to play with, and to avoid false accusations, require each participant in a conflicting game to post/continue posting in this thread until the issue is resolved by reputable players.