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The Eighth Stage of the annual John van Caneghem tournament for Heroes III

TOURNAMENT RULES
Nothing comes as fast as death.
Look death in the face.
(c) K0Lb@zzeR.

1. To participate in this "Quick Death" Heroes 3 tournament, you must register on our website www.heroesworld.ru and also make a request in this thread.

Dear participants!!! The tournament is extended by two days (i.e., until November 22 inclusive)! You can find all the details via PM from the tournament organizer.

This tournament is held as part of the general John van Caneghem tournament, therefore all information, as well as its conduct and results, will be displayed in this section.

Note: final tournament results will also be available in the Heroes 3 offline tournaments section.

2. Tournaments are held on Russian versions of Heroes of Might and Magic III:
The Shadow of Death (Version 3.2) and Complete Collection [Platinum Edition] (Version 4.0) with the LMPatch installed (Version 4.1.1.1).

3. Game Goal – capture all mines in the minimum time. The second victory criterion is the highest amount of experience for the starting hero.
To win, you must capture the beacons!

The submitted save must contain the abbreviation (VC - van Caneghem) and the player's Nickname.
Example:

VC8_K0Lb@zzeR.GM1 or VC8-K0Lb@zzeR.GM1

4. Along with the submitted save, you must provide a description of the last step (battle with a hero, battle for a castle, capturing an artifact, defeating the last monster) after which victory occurs, or the scenario walkthrough.

5. >>> Save walkthrough rules can be read here <<<

Important points:

1.4.13. Premature interruption of flight when using the "Fly" spell (or "Angel Wings" artifact), for example, by pressing the Space key to attack cities or other objects. Also, at the initiative of the tournament organizer, flying over passage guards may be prohibited. This point is specified by the organizer of the specific tournament.
Using flight, you CAN fly over passage guards (keykeepers).
1.4.12. It is forbidden to use the combined artifact "Admiral's Hat" (it can be used in disassembled form). For reference: by repeatedly boarding and disembarking from a boat using the "Admiral's Hat" artifact, it is possible to obtain navigation bonuses. The organizer may, at their discretion, allow the use of the combined artifact "Admiral's Hat" by specifying this as a separate point in the rules of a specific tournament. In this case, the organizer must also indicate whether this artifact can be used without restrictions or only in certain cases (for example, allowing its use only when the main goal is to cross a water barrier necessary for specific player actions, rather than obtaining navigation bonuses on land).
1.4.14. "Neutral pass-through" is allowed.
For reference: suppose a hero is standing on a swamp, having a neutral unit (sniper, nomad, troll, etc.) and a hydra (native swamp troop) in the army. If the neutral unit (sniper) is placed to the left of the native unit (hydra) in the troop deployment slots, the hero will move through swamp terrain without penalty, as if all creatures in the army were native; if the neutral unit is placed to the right, the hero will move through swamp terrain with a penalty.
1.4.15. It is forbidden to leave the hero without troops through any manipulations. Exception: leaving the hero without troops is allowed only if they were given for a quest.
1.4.16. It is permitted to dismiss heroes located in a castle via the "Kingdom Overview" menu -> "Show Towns".

6. Send the save to =12&style=000000&style[bgcolor]=FFFFFF&style[format][]=bold" />.

7. In case of suspicion of cheating or other malicious intent during the map walkthrough, a save must be made for every game day.
In such a case (detection of cheating), the player will be required to send additional saves and provide a walkthrough description to the tournament organizer to determine whether the play was unfair or fair.
The result of a player who played unfairly is nullified, and their further participation in tournaments will be impossible. This will also reflect poorly on their reputation.

8. Discussion of the tournament during its conduct is FORBIDDEN!!!
(Players who violate this rule automatically exclude themselves from playing the tournament; their results will be nullified and not counted).

9. The tournament starts on October 20 and lasts until November 20 (inclusive!)**. The result will be announced on November 25, 2008.

Dear participants!!! The tournament is extended by two days (i.e., until November 22 inclusive)! You can find all the details via PM from the tournament organizer.

10. After receiving your save, you will see in the application table that:
save accepted - Bold Nickname.
save counted - Italic-Bold Nickname.

We invite everyone to participate in the tournament!

Tournament Participants List
Participant Number
Participant Nickname
1
vbn
2
Перполькен
3
Айвенго
4
AlexSpl
5
Монца
6
WhiteLizard
7
Andrey44_44
8
Lord Vampire
9
T@mar@
10
Elcidere
11
Angel_
12
Kash
13
KonServator
14
Keeper of Darkness
15
Vincent50
16
Oblion
17
Wlk777
18
Kamikaze
19
Fireball
20
Dirty_Player
21
Romanuel
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Everything about the starting save


1. Download the save.

2. The downloaded save must be placed on your computer in the GAMES folder of the installed Heroes 3.

3. Load it and start playing at any convenient time, while remembering to make daily saves.

4. After reaching the last action (after which victory occurs), you must save again.

5. With the final save, describe the last step in detail; then the results will be processed faster and there will be fewer suspicions of cheating!!!

6. A full description of the tournament map is encouraged (optional). If any are provided, a contest for the best description will be held. The top five will take their place of honor in the "Hall of Fame" section!

7. Send this save to the specified address (in the rules of this tournament).

8. Wait for the results.

P.S. I wish everyone a great time playing and most importantly VICTORY! And for myself, humbly, - intrigue in this tournament...

P.S.S. If there are additions or comments, please do not hesitate to speak up to minimize disagreements and shortcomings during the tournament.
Sincerely yours, K0Lb@zzeR.
P.S.S.S. I would be very grateful to those who, after the end of the tournament, vote and express their opinion about the map in this THREAD

Map and starting save:
Download Map HERE
Download Starting Save HERE
:smile13: [ТУРНИР] "Гонка за Лидером" :smile13:
:smile28: [M] "Я и моя тень" - "I am and my shadow" :smile28:
:smile16: "Быстрая смерть" - "Fast Death" :smile16:
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I don't think there are any scrolls in the cities, or books that allow you to fly, or angel wings on this map. There are probably other ways, but it seems to me they start with the letter "ch".
What you're talking about now starts with the letter "g". You can get the "Fly" spell from 2 seers near the abandoned mine (symmetrically in the dungeon and on the surface, in the southeast), if you bring them a magic dragon, which can also be hired in 2 symmetrical dwellings.
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Wlk777, on this map, you can learn the Flight skill in two places and find a Portal in one. As for how to complete it in 8-10 days, let's learn from the masters, okay? ;)
I'm not a newbie in Heroes either, although I don't understand where this incredible insight about where to get the Flight skill came from – it's obvious that you've played similar maps before. Knowing this, completing the map in a time close to 10 days is indeed not difficult. Tomorrow I'll have time, I'll do it, although the tournament will already be over, but never mind. Regarding DD, I was aware of it.
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Wlk777
I'm not a newbie in Heroes either.
:D :D :D
Wlk777
I just don't understand where you got the idea that I know where to get the "Flight" skill.
Apparently, someone took the time to look in the map editor before playing!

P.S.: You should be the one filtering your words, because you came here, didn't even say hello, and started accusing everyone of cheating, even though you're wrong! That's very rude!
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in the final save, there is no Dessa because only the starting and the last action-performing units are needed... later, in the winner's saves, we'll see how much the runner and other units are leveled up... and that it will be faster than 10 days is obvious to me. There are people who play Heroes 3 much better than I do... by the way, vbn, did you send the save? Because you never know what might happen - maybe I'll be among the prize winners.
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In the final save, there is no Dessa because only the starting and the one performing the last action are needed... in the winner's saves, we will later see to what extent the runner and others are leveled up.
Well, I think everyone has Dessa: Expert Wisdom, Logistics, First Aid, Air Magic, and the rest doesn't really matter.
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In the final save, there is no Dessa because only the starting hero and the one performing the last action are needed... later, we'll check in the winner's saves to see how much the "runner" and other heroes are leveled up... and it's obvious to me that it will be faster than 10 days. People who are much better than me are playing in the third game... by the way, vbn, did you send the save? You never know, maybe I'll be among the winners.
Still, it's unclear, firstly, where Dessa is recruited. I tried to hire her in the tavern for about 10 minutes, but it didn't work. Also, you explained the basic things about leveling up and logistics, thank you for the tutorial (although I would argue about how useful she is; there's not much point in her, except that the skill tree sometimes changes in the right direction), but this is important in principle, and it's clear anyway. However, it's still unclear where the army comes from to defeat so many monsters in the first week. And physically, it's also unclear how you can complete it in a week; at least 4 days are spent just on boarding and disembarking from the boat, and even the fastest hero can't explore the entire map in 2-3 days. I understand that skill is important, but there are certain limitations that don't depend on the player's level. Although, maybe experienced players can board the boat without penalties and defeat 50 Gorgons with five Griffons; I don't know. :confused:
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They can defeat 50 Gorgons with 5 Griffons – under certain circumstances :D And 100 Black Dragons with 3 Titans – that’s easy!!! :D :D :D (SERIOUSLY!) Just read the reports from previous tournaments... Or wait for the report here!

And don't get upset.... You'll gain experience and understand everything... ;) Good luck in future tournaments!
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Now that’s a constructive dialogue! Just wait a bit. Tomorrow they will announce the results, and the winner will write a detailed walkthrough, after reading which, everything will become clear to you!

Dessa is found as follows:
1. Save the game.
2. Buy a hero.
3. Go to the tavern and see who has appeared.
4. Reload, buy, look...
and so on until you find Dessa (or any other hero you need).

To automate this boring and tedious process, a program called “Hero Digger” is used!
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beating 50 gorgons with five griffins
And even crazier things happen :D
Anyway, in case you didn't notice - I saw a diplomat in the tavern, and behind him both a jelku and a logist! - You can pick up 35 snipers on 112 and not sweat it x) Besides, you don't play with just one hero! Usually there are 8-10 active chars - running around, faster than just one! As for the monsters - I joyned all of them, no doubt others did the same) That's it for the first offline, Wlk777!

As for me, I only managed to finish in 15 days... well, "managed" - I knew it could be done in 13-12 :) Straaaange... I thought you could only break through to the Inferno castle on 121 or was I wrong? Anyway, air + wisdom + Dimension Door rule :)

Well, tell me what tactics you all used, I'm actually curious :)

By the way, Dirty, how fast did you finish the map?

За всем следят машины благодати и любви.
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By the way, Dirty, how long did it take you to complete the map?
Fireball already explained everything.
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WhiteLizard
Things like that happen:D
And regarding the monsters - I've added them all, I don't doubt that others did the same.
It's exhausting to learn all your rules; you can join here, but you can't join there :smile06:. And regarding the fact that a weak unit can defeat a much stronger one, I'm aware of it, but it usually doesn't happen in the first week. In general, it's clear that there are probably many hidden possibilities on the map that need to be checked in the editor, which I usually don't do. However, it's still interesting to see reports on how that map was completed, even if it took 10 days.
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where are the results of the others? Everything is clear with Dirt – it's a monster. Am I among the prize winners?
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I would like to know how people recruit neutral creatures.
Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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Good day to you all. Preliminary results of the Tournament.
2 Dirty_Player, Fireball, Perpolken: I am waiting for your daily save files + a description of the Walkthrough (the latter is not for me, but for the community – let them learn, as I have no doubt about the fairness of your playthrough). Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR. P.S.
Fireball
...I won't comment on the maximum amount of experience, as I haven't been focusing on optimizing secondary criteria in Tournaments for quite some time now, because, as a rule, it’s a rather boring process, at least for me.
And that's why he lost first place in this Tournament. I didn't choose the second criterion, namely experience, by chance; I thought it would be the most interesting and harmonious with the main task - capturing all the mines. P.S.S. I will be very grateful to those who, after the end of the Tournament, vote and express their opinion about the map in this TOPIC
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:smile13: [ТУРНИР] "Гонка за Лидером" :smile13:
:smile28: [M] "Я и моя тень" - "I am and my shadow" :smile28:
:smile16: "Быстрая смерть" - "Fast Death" :smile16:

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