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Good topics are being discussed here, but I would like to know: 1) the template (2sm4d(3)?) 2) the rules - at least approximately 3) regarding the castles (Necropolis and Conflux) - what are the questions about them?
P.S.: Maybe this is written somewhere, if so, please provide a link here or in a private message. Thank you in advance!
Nagan-4
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Hello everyone!
Good topics are being discussed here, but I would like to know: 1) the template (2sm4d(3)?) 2) the rules - at least approximately 3) regarding the castles (Necropolis and Conflux) - what about them, what are the questions
P.S.: maybe this is written somewhere, if so, please provide a link here or in a private message. Thank you in advance!
Tolyanych, you happened to die for the first time just then :) I gave you a link in ICQ so you could jump into the polemic with, so to speak, heavy artillery, but you skipped it.
There was a match, we played a couple of games, Kobra-uran, me-VBN, and some others. After players no-showed a couple of times for the scheduled games on HeroesWorld, I gave up, and so did many others. That tournament just died. I hope this one has a different fate. IMO: play on SoD and there won't be any polemics. At the start of the match it was said that the tournament would be ENTIRELY according to the portal's rules, it's strange that ultimatums started flying here already :) and not from the match participants.
Thanks, Tolyan. I wasn't aware. Alright, the tournament was settled, as in it's over :)
But I still can't understand — has anyone actually tried TE-light? It's pure SoD. We take your rules, add the rule "transfer troops, split off single units with one click" :)
All the differences from SoD fit into one brief post — on the portal — http://www.heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=254759&pagenum=1. The remaining pages are discussions of additions, changes, and other things. And most of the differences in that post can be turned off.
Which specific differences between TE-light and SoD do you not like from that list that was on the portal? I don't believe it's the interface. I just don't believe it, that's all. :)
PS: 2Nagan — we've seemingly had the roster for a while now:
Thanks, Tolyan. I wasn't aware. Okay, we've decided on the tournament; it's happening. :)
But I still don't understand – has anyone actually tried TE-lite? It's basically just Shades of Darkness. We take your rules and add the rule "transfer troops, detach units with one click." :)
All the differences from Shades of Darkness fit into one short post on the portal – http://www.heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=254759&pagenum=1. The other pages are discussions about additions, changes, and so on. And most of the differences mentioned in that post can be turned off.
Lebron (Portal) and Doberman (Bai) tried TE-lite... both lost, but it was just because they weren't used to it.
IMO, if you're going to play something, you really need to get used to it first.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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PS: 2Nagan - we seem to have had a team for a while:
So why wait until Monday and bother with a draw? We've put forward the best players from our forum for today, and you have your best players too, so let's just play! You can conduct the draw with Portal if you've decided to do so. We're getting some very interesting player matchups, and if they also post save files with their game reports, it will be a real treat for fans of the game. I suggest we play!
1. Nagan-4_______ - Roland from Gilead (representatives). SoD version. 2. Uran__________ - Stinger._____ SoD version. 3. Mizrael________ - AlexTheGreat. SoD version 4. Pit-In sake of LM - Samurai._____ TE-Lite version. 5. Invisible_______ - Mike_Spb.___ Version - TE. 6. Scorp_________ - KobRa_Spb.__ SoD version. 7. Alex R_________ - Paladin._____ SoD version. 8. Decontamination - DC_Vasya.___ SoD version. 9. Dudge_________ - Napalm._____ SoD version. 10. Dubrovin Pavel - Markon._____ TE-Lite version.
I only swapped one pair. You had a post on your forum, I think, from DC Vasya saying that everyone can play SoD except Mike. And Scorp only plays SoD. So I swapped him with Invisible, who likes TE (numbers 5 and 6 on the list).
2 Roland from Gilead. I'm busy playing Lesgor for 3rd place in the 7th online World tournament this weekend. Next week, I'm free from 6 PM to midnight on weekdays and all day on weekends, so contact me on ICQ or send a private message. Best regards!
We tried LeBron (Portal) and Doberman (Bai) on TE-light... both lost, but it was unusual.
IMO, if you're going to play, you really need to get used to it first.
There's no need to mislead everyone. I didn't lose. It was a test game. And you get used to something after playing just one game.
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I remember Dreamcatcher's old post about the differences between our rules and the Portal rules; it might come in handy.
The following differences in the rules have been noted: 1. Restarts. There are no restarts in HotA when encountering a 1-1-6 situation, but there are in HotA. 2. Heroes. There are differences regarding the use of spells obtained from 4th-level specialist heroes. There's no point in going into detail; take a close look yourself. But note: In HotA, Tantalus is limited, as are the 4th-level specialists, but not in HotA. 3. Scrolls. HotA has more flexible requirements for building magic, which allows the use of scrolls, but it lacks the 6th-week rule. HotA has it. 4. Necropolis. In HotA, the starting hero is random; goodbye, Gosha. 5. Diplomacy. It is completely prohibited in HotA, but allowed in a limited way in HotA. I've only provided an overview, not a detailed analysis, so for accuracy, please check and analyze it yourself!!!
I ask the players to carefully read the Portal Rules again. It would be inconvenient if we played "our own way." Most of the Baev players are unaware of the differences between the World and Portal rules, so they will think we have violated the rules, which we would not want.
Here is the Baev discussion; we hope they will accept our proposal to play. For the players from Baev who visit our forum, here are the ICQ numbers of our players. Uran - 484-056-100 Mizrael - 27-384-379 Pit - For the sake of LM - 471-401-475 Invisible - 472-101-962 Scorp - 360-913-099 Alex R - 466-212-416 Decontaminator - 383-282-418 Dudge - 144-060-433 Dubrovin Pavel - 482-071-082.
It would be good if someone from Baev wrote down the ICQ numbers of their team's players for contact.
Added 53 minutes ago Here are the ICQ numbers of the Baev players. Their representative, Roland from Gilead, provided them.
Here, the world has already agreed on everything and is ready to start the games – everything is very efficient and constructive – respect to you guys. On our portal, there are only internal squabbles about who is better, but not on the battlefield, but on the field of pointless chatter – you look at it and think twice... :confused:
"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013] "Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014] "Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015] Сам ты фиш (с) :D
Tried LeBron (Portal) and Doberman (Buy) on TE-lite... both lost because they weren't USED to it.
IMHO, if you're playing something, you really need to get a FEEL for it first.
What was the problem with not being used to it (written in BIG letters) for LeBron? SoD army, SoD monsters, same template. As I understand it, he would have lost exactly the same way on your version. That's why I have a feeling that "not being used to it" isn't the reason for the loss, but rather a convenient excuse.
No one is making excuses here—playing on a crappy respawn, I decided to take a risk and attacked a horde of archers; they inflicted heavy losses, hence the defeat. As for the habit—yes, at that moment the interface was a bit confusing, and the chess clocks were rushing me, causing mistakes—hence the losses among the dwarves and when breaking through the slow guard—in the end, half of the trogs were lost, and then a sharp slowdown in pace—hence the need to take a risk by attacking the archers. PS This is DoberMan—as for your defeat, it was real indeed—I won't argue, the prospects were excellent, but de facto Kyrre lost the entire army in a tier-3 Dragon Utopia;)
"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013] "Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014] "Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015] Сам ты фиш (с) :D
Don't mislead everyone. I didn't throw the game. It was a test match. And habits are formed through practice.
I apologize for posting based on information from only one side. LeBron, in response to the question "how was it?" replied, "both teams threw the game."
TO Old Man - LeBron doesn't have the skill level to just throw a game like that.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
What was the problem with LeBron's "lack of familiarity" (written in ALL CAPS)? The SoD army, the SoD monsters, the same template. As I understand it, he would have lost exactly the same way on your version. Therefore, I have a feeling that "lack of familiarity" is not the reason for the loss, but rather a convenient excuse.
And I have a feeling that you are looking for a suitable pretext to make disrespectful comments about our people. And an attempt to elevate yourself by trying to belittle others is simply absurd and can only lead to negativity toward the speaker, their resource, and the product being so insistently promoted. I have been following your performances for years and respect your achievements. I hope for your understanding.
I have a feeling that you are looking for a suitable excuse to make disrespectful remarks about our people. And the attempt to elevate oneself by trying to belittle others is simply absurd and can only lead to negativity towards both the speaker and their resource, and the product that is being so persistently promoted. I have been following your statements for many years and respect your achievements. I hope for understanding.
I don't quite understand these statements. How am I trying to elevate myself?
In the same way, I can claim that Captain, by presenting TE-lite in an unusual way (and, by the way, distorting the facts), is trying to elevate himself. However, I did not do that.
And another important point – practically no one on your side in this thread has written any specific drawbacks of TE-lite. Vague statements are perceived as general slogans of the Soviet principle "I haven't read it, but I condemn it" and "it's probably some kind of nonsense." In the link to the portal that I provided, there is a list of all the differences. Which can be disabled if YOU need to – at the level of rules or completely disabled.
Nobody! Nothing! Has been written about this! At the same time, the line "we don't need it" continues. This, among other things, is also a simple disrespect for those who promote TE and simply for the interlocutor. How do you want me to personally treat this? With respect and understanding? :)
In general, we won't get anywhere like this. I apologize, but this conversation is very unconstructive. If you don't want to play on TE, even in the reduced form in which it was offered for the match, no one will force you. However, until there are well-reasoned arguments about the differences that cannot be fixed, which are a sufficient reason for refusal, I will personally perceive this correspondence exclusively as excuses.
And for now, the result is that 30 people will play 40-60 games, and in most of them, time will be wasted on extra mouse clicks to transfer troops and detach units.
And another important point – practically no one on your side in this thread has written down any specific drawbacks of TE-Lite. Vague statements are perceived as general slogans, like the Soviet principle of "I haven't read it, but I condemn it" and "it's probably some kind of nonsense." In the link to the portal that I provided, there is a list of all the differences. Which can be disabled if YOU need to – at the level of rules or completely disabled.
Nobody! Nothing! Has been written about this! At the same time, the line "we don't need it" continues. This is, among other things, simply disrespect for those who are promoting TE and for the person you are talking to. How do you want me to personally treat this? With respect and understanding? :)
In general, we won't get anywhere this way. I apologize, but this conversation is very unproductive. If you don't want to play on TE, even in the trimmed version that was offered for the match, no one will force you. However, until there are well-reasoned arguments about the differences that cannot be fixed and are a sufficient reason for refusal, I will personally perceive this correspondence solely as excuses.
And for now, the result is that 30 people will play 40-60 games, and in most of them, time will be wasted on extra mouse clicks to transfer troops and detach individual units.
We are not going to look for the drawbacks of TE-Lite. We are discussing the tournament regulations. And I joined this conversation because I don't want our players to be put in unequal conditions. A match is not a friendly tournament without a rating, where you can test new versions of the game interface. None of the professionals will use untested, unpolished equipment on the day of the competition. When our players have played on TE-Lite for a couple of years, we can hold the match on it. Regarding excuses and justifications, I suggest we no longer raise this topic. We also have something to say, but for now, we are hoping for interaction in a positive way.
