God... Truth or fiction? — Philosophy — Page 24

Registered: 12/9/2007

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#349 4/3/2008 4:11 AM UTC

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Where did I end up by chance? ;-)))

I recommend reading this – Neil Donald Walsh "Conversations with God" – http://www.e-puzzle.ru/book/1305.zip

And then everyone will draw their own conclusions. ;-)

Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с)
В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)

Registered: 12/10/2006

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#350 4/4/2008 6:52 AM UTC

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I find this question interesting...

In reply to Saruman

Registered: 1/12/2007

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#351 4/9/2008 6:45 PM UTC

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100% atheist. I don't believe in anything that hasn't been proven.

Умирает не тот, кто устал, а тот, кто остановился.

Registered: 7/16/2007

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#352 5/15/2008 6:09 PM UTC

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Ideally, I am Orthodox. At least, I was baptized :) But I don't believe in a specific Orthodox god :o I believe that it's not so important what a person believes in, but rather what kind of person they are. I approach all religions with curiosity and respect. I can't call myself a convinced atheist, although I find it difficult to believe in something I haven't seen or heard. I believe in the existence of a higher Intelligence that defines the criteria for moral norms according to the level of human development. I believe that justice exists, and the aforementioned intelligence is its embodiment. And what people call this intelligence – Jesus, Allah, Shiva, Zeus, Svarog, Amun-Ra, Tumbo-Yumbo, or little green men, and the rituals associated with worship – is a personal matter for everyone, whatever is more convenient and understandable, the main thing is that it is sincere. But I consider inciting wars on religious grounds to be the ultimate foolishness. And also... Religion is a personal matter for everyone, so I think imposing a particular religion is inappropriate. I've said everything about this above – pray sincerely, and your prayer will be heard; how and to whom – everyone decides for themselves. Understanding that I might touch on someone's feelings more than when I write about my preferences on level 6 in Heroes of Might and Magic 5, I ask you not to take offense at my post – after all, this is just my personal opinion, and I'm not imposing it on anyone ;)

А, вот почему.

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Registered: 12/22/2007

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#353 5/22/2008 11:43 AM UTC

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I read something like this in a book... gods exist as long as people believe in them... I believe in God and Jesus Christ, which means they exist.

Чую время пришло и захлопнулась дверь
Ангел пропел и полопалась кожа...
Мы выпили жизнь, но не стали мудрей,
Мы прожили смерть, но не стали моложе...
Агата Кристи
Ты должен быть сильным,
Ты должен уметь сказать: Руки прочь, прочь от меня,
Ты должен быть сильным, иначе зачем тебе быть?!
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Registered: 11/8/2007

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#354 9/30/2008 1:59 PM UTC

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Do I believe in an all-powerful being in the heavens, closely watching every person, recording everyone's sins, forgiving those who visit special places (like churches) for the purpose of repentance, and creating the end of the world? No, I don't. God is a very convenient tool for explaining everything that remains a mystery to science. What is consciousness, and why is only humans, who are 96% genetically similar to chimpanzees, endowed with it, while chimpanzees are not? Why and when did non-living matter turn into living matter? Was the emergence of life on Earth accidental? There are no adequate answers to the first two questions (the third can be easily explained by the infinity of the Universe, although, again, this is not proven)... Some will say that it was God's will, while others will continue to study the world around them in order to find answers to these questions and justify them without making premature, unargued conclusions. The views of the latter are much closer to me.

O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal

Registered: 10/31/2007

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#355 10/15/2008 5:18 PM UTC

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In principle, I don't deny the existence of some kind of supernatural forces, but the concept of God in Christianity or any other religion is nonsense, yes, pure nonsense. That's just my humble opinion. What kind of God could there be when all sorts of things are happening in the world? There's no need to elaborate; just look at the news. Of course, one could argue that everything is God's will... But personally, such a will doesn't inspire much optimism in me. Well, and if a "creator" does exist, then he has clearly abandoned this "forum"...

Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

God save us everyone
Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...

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Registered: 3/17/2007

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#356 10/16/2008 11:01 AM UTC

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Vayshan;200748

In principle, I don't deny the existence of some kind of supernatural forces, but the concept of God in Christianity or any other religion is nonsense.

So, there is some kind of force after all (if we exclude Christianity or any other religion):D ???

Yes, it's just nonsense. This is my humble opinion.

Yeah, how humble:D

What other god could there be when all sorts of things are happening in the world? There's no need to elaborate; just watch the news.

If you don't watch, then everything is fine?

Of course, one could argue that everything is God's will... But such a will doesn't inspire optimism in me. And if a "creator" does exist, then he has clearly abandoned this "forum"...

That's right. If he's not here, then he's nowhere.:D

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

Registered: 10/31/2007

Posts: 873

#357 10/16/2008 11:54 AM UTC

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So, does something exist after all (if you remove Christianity or any other religion)?

It says that I'm not denying it, but I didn't claim whether it exists or not.

If you don't watch it, is everything okay?

Basically, if you get rid of your computer, phone, TV, and go live in the taiga, everything will be fine.

That's right. Since it's not here, it doesn't exist anywhere.

What is "here"? I don't understand.

Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

God save us everyone
Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...

Registered: 11/19/2007

Posts: 1,660

#358 10/16/2008 7:46 PM UTC

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What other kind of god could there be when all sorts of things are happening in the world? You don't even need to elaborate; just look at the news. Of course, one could argue that everything is God's will... But personally, such a will doesn't inspire much optimism.

Haha. It's not a given that gods must necessarily be kind and just.
According to the Church, God endowed people with certain traits. People are bloodthirsty, stupid, selfish, and irrational. Does that mean that God is the same?
And, actually, why not? What prevents gods from creating a miserable little world and enjoying the strife, wars, and killings? Like ants from different garbage heaps. A pleasant pastime. After all, many of us tortured bugs as children, didn't we?
By the way, extremely fitting and relevant: while I'm writing this, the news is reporting on an American senator who has filed a lawsuit against God because He is terrorizing and destroying our planet. The judge is in a bind because "the defendant must have a home address"...
Isn't that great?

In short, if gods exist, they are cruel and psychopathic. Kill everyone.

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

Registered: 4/18/2007

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#359 10/29/2008 8:15 PM UTC

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There are no atheists on their deathbeds, and there are no atheists in war))), but in general, you're going in the wrong direction.
Loken, as always, is being himself, but still, be more careful, not everyone here is an atheist; there are believers too. And it doesn't necessarily have to manifest in daily trips to church, or that someone is counting our sins. Not everyone on this forum is the so-called "hellish rabble" who just wants to kill everyone; not everyone is cruel and psychopathic, or are you referring to someone like that? I don't think so. Of course, religion was largely needed to manipulate people, but now times have changed; there are no longer those who can be frightened by the threat of "burning in hell," but there are those who simply believe, asking for nothing in return. There's no need to laugh at this, either directly or indirectly (as you like to do), okay? This isn't an ultimatum, just a wish.

Просто еще один

Registered: 10/28/2007

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#361 10/29/2008 8:59 PM UTC

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Lock is a real guy!
I believe in God, but I don't rely on his help. For example, I don't understand how my "faith" will help me when I'm surrounded by a crowd of thugs.

Стартовый пост - Квенты - Разное - Список НПС - Турнир -
Резара - Аксель - Орвальд - Эмилия - Стэфания - Амвросий - Лестер - Альсира - Алария -

Registered: 11/19/2007

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#362 10/30/2008 4:17 PM UTC

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I wasn't even planning on laughing. I've already voiced all my sarcastic remarks about that silly church in the relevant (and irrelevant) topics.

And people are repulsive, and there's no arguing with that. Otherwise, we would have had an ideal society a long time ago.

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

Registered: 9/5/2012

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#381 9/5/2012 2:28 PM UTC

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I can't vote :(
And why are Catholic and Christian separate options? There are three types of Christians: Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. And Orthodox is the smallest branch.
For example, I am a Christian-Protestant.

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Loken

Haha. It's not a given that gods must be good and just.
God endowed people with his traits, as the church claims. People are bloodthirsty, stupid, selfish, and irrational. Does that mean that God is the same?
Well, why not? What prevents gods from creating a miserable world and enjoying the strife, wars, and killings? Like ants from different garbage heaps. It's a source of spiritual relaxation. After all, many of us tortured bugs as children, didn't we?
By the way, extremely fitting and relevant: while I'm writing this, the news just reported about an American senator who filed a lawsuit against God because he is terrorizing and destroying our planet. The judge is in a bind because "the defendant must have a home address"...
Isn't that great?

In general, if gods exist, they are cruel and psychopathic. Kill everyone.

This is what distinguishes Christianity: it provides an answer to this question and has proof of God's love (unlike other religions)

Registered: 10/30/2009

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#382 9/5/2012 4:59 PM UTC

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And why are Catholic and Christian listed as separate items? Christians come in three varieties: Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. Moreover, Orthodox is the smallest branch.
For example, I am a Protestant Christian.

If we are going to differentiate between different Christians, then
1) we need to divide Protestants, as Lutherans and Calvinists are quite different things, in my opinion, and there are even more branches. Also, there are ancient Eastern churches.
2) we need to divide Muslims. Yes, and maybe not just them.
In short, it would be easier to put everything in one category and not bother.

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