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9/30/2008 2:17 PM UTC #1

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The ninth stage of the annual John Van Canigem tournament for HoMM IV

«Far From Paradise»

1. In order to participate in the 9th stage of the Van Canigem tournament for Heroes 4 «Far From Paradise», you must register on our website and leave a request in this thread.

This tournament is official; ratings will be awarded based on its results.

2. The tournament is conducted using the Russian version of Heroes 4: " Whirlwinds of War " by Buka. The save will be generated in the Russian version.

3. The goal of the game is to defeat the enemy.

Results will be evaluated primarily based on minimum time.
If several players have an equal completion time, the winner will be determined by points; if a favorite is still not determined, then by the amount of mercury.

4. Tournament Rules.

1) Using cheat codes during the final run of the save is prohibited.
2) Restarting or any other modification of the initial save is prohibited.

3) Use of the space bar.

3.1) Use of the "space" key is PROHIBITED when boarding a boat.
3.2) Use of the "space" key is PROHIBITED when disembarking from a boat to shore.
3.3) Use of the "space" key is ALLOWED when pulling a killed hero (grave) out from under monsters.

4) Bugs - SaveBag

4.1. Shifting monsters using saving is PROHIBITED.
4.2. Additional hero upgrades related to saving are PROHIBITED.
4.3. 65000 arrows for Elves using saving in battle is PROHIBITED.

5) Bugs - SinglBag

5.1. Overcoming obstacles on land, i.e., when dragging units with the mouse from upper slots to lower ones, they end up, for example, behind bushes that are usually impassable (the player does nothing prohibited, uses the mouse; during this operation, units lose some of their moves).
ALLOWED.

5.2. Overcoming obstacles when disembarking from a boat to shore, i.e., landing on shore without an indication that landing is possible (the anchor is not visible on the shore), again this is done with the mouse, and units' moves are reset (space is obviously prohibited - see point 2).
ALLOWED.

5.3. Upgrading hero graves using a Thief. Upgrading hero graves using Grandmaster of Stealth.

PURPOSEFUL upgrading of a grave in this manner is PROHIBITED.

NON-PURPOSEFUL upgrading of a grave in this manner is ALLOWED.
You must provide a reasoned explanation as to why you were forced to accidentally upgrade the grave and why it was unavoidable.

5.4. Upgrading graves with ordinary units on attack, defense, or speed crystals (sapphires) in battle, or increasing magic points.
PROHIBITED.

5.5. Upgrading graves with ordinary units in military schools, universities, huts, academies, etc.
PROHIBITED.

5.6. Units carrying a grave are allowed to visit stables, oases, wells, and other objects that increase movement points.
Therefore, EVEN PURPOSEFUL transport of a grave through these objects is ALLOWED.

5.7. Use of the hero's spellbook by the grave on the adventure map.
PROHIBITED.

6. The use of "completely Dead-end external dwellings" on the battlefield is prohibited.
(I will explain in more detail for those who don't understand: I consider a "Dead-end external dwelling" to be a COMPLETELY closed area, for example by rocks or logs, which contains
a small island for a unit, such as a fairy, harpy, vampire, etc.
That is, a place that cannot be entered on land by a unit of the smallest
size (3x3) and can only be reached by air—a kind of natural fortress. Having such an external dwelling, one fairy could beat up a hundred Black Dragons and win an impossible battle; to prevent such situations, I prohibit "Dead-end external dwellings" in this tournament.)

A "Non-dead-end external dwelling," or more accurately a semi-open one, is allowed in this tournament.
By a semi-open external dwelling, I mean a place where a unit or Hero can
enter on foot, and at the same time, attacking monsters regardless of their size must be able to reach the Hero or unit to strike them (the point of a Semi-open external dwelling is to limit the number of monsters attacking you simultaneously). Besides, it's not proper for a Hero to hide in an external dwelling while enemies waste themselves on whatever. Our Heroes fight with open visors.

7. Using any other errors (bugs) is prohibited!

8. Discussion of the tournament on the forum during its progress is PROHIBITED!!!
(Players who violate this rule automatically disqualify themselves from playing the tournament; their results will not be counted and will be annulled).

9. During the tournament, the player is required to keep intermediate saves for each game day.
Intermediate saves may be requested by the tournament leader to verify the honesty of the run. If a player is found using cheat codes or errors and game features explicitly prohibited in the rules, the player will be immediately excluded from the tournament.
It is also necessary to save own disputed battles (e.g., hero and fairy against 100 dragons) so that the fairness of the victory can be checked.

10. Along with the final save, players are required to send a description of the tactics for the final battle (the harder the battle, the more detailed).
If the win depends on morale/luck rolls or specific actions of computer players, a full description of the battle is required—one that allows it to be repeated.

11. Send the final save to the email address Lu41k@yandex.ru. The sent save must contain the participant's number from the application table, the abbreviation FP ( «Far From Paradise» ) and the player's Nick. Example: 1_FP _Lu41k.h4s.

12. The tournament starts on September 30 and will last until October 21 (inclusive!). Results will be announced on October 24, 2008.

13. After your save is received, you will see in the application table that:

save accepted - indicated by a Bold Nick

This list can be expanded by new participants!
We invite everyone to take part in the tournament!

Saves will only be considered from players who are in this table, so make your requests IN ADVANCE!!!
PARTICIPANT LIST
NUMBER PLAYER NICK
1 WisTrit
2 BigAke
3 Dr Motor
4 LordZezuk
5 T@mar@
6 Спай
7 LeSHiJ-MaX

Everything about the starting save

1. Download the save.

2. The downloaded save must be placed on your computer in the GAMES folder of the installed Heroes 4.

3. Load it and start playing at any time convenient for you, while remembering to make daily saves.

4. After reaching the final action (after which victory occurs), save again.

5. With the final save, describe this last step in detail (most likely a battle); then the results will be processed faster and there will be fewer suspicions of cheating!!!

6. A full description of the tournament map is encouraged (optional). If such descriptions are provided, a contest for the best description will be held; 10 of them (the very best) will take their honorable place in the "Hall of Fame" section!

7. Send this save to the specified address (in the rules of this tournament).

8. Wait for the results.

P.S. I wish all tournament participants a great time playing!!! And good luck:smile02:

Respectfully, Luchik

"Как это странно всегда..
Вроде бы взрослые люди,
А в голове ерунда..
Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."

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Registered: 2/16/2007 9:44 PM UTC

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10/21/2008 8:31 PM UTC #32

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hmm... it seems that for games like this, it's best to play with four players. I completed the previous stage of the World Cup for Heroes 4 in 60 days, and I was also thinking and experimenting with different strategies. Here, I completed it in 73 days according to the table, using only one hero and without any troops...

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Well, that's right, I always forget that when I open a map, I have to close it afterwards...

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I think in Heroes 4, it's day-week-month... So, 1-4-6 means 27 days, right? It seems strange to me that it can be played much faster...

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Registered: 7/25/2006 8:26 PM UTC

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10/22/2008 12:20 AM UTC #33

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By the way, it would be interesting to know (after the official end of the tournament) what exactly needed to be generated, considering that hidden spots are prohibited, and what kind of complex battles they were.

I would have to generate a lot. I don't play Heroes IV very well. Undoubtedly, Under or Iron would have come up with something better. For example, I was planning long battles: hero VS garrisons. But what's the point of arguing after the fight? I congratulate the winner in advance.

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Registered: 3/17/2007 12:16 PM UTC

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10/22/2008 1:52 AM UTC #34

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Romanuel;201846

the main thing is, they initially called me a cheater. then they called me a player who overloads the game. it sounds nicer somehow.

Of course, I apologize, but it somehow bothers me and different thoughts come to mind, especially after the continuation.

yes... it seems that for players like me, it's only right to fight in groups of four.

Perhaps you meant something else - then my apologies
The final table showed 21 days. The existing permissions in this tournament helped a lot :D.
By the way, I think a generator would be very helpful to prevent the neutrals from spreading out too much. I don't really know what and how it affects this, but I've played several times and they behave differently. And in one playthrough, the opponent's Hero simply lost to the neutrals. I think this could improve the playthrough by 2 days.

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

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10/22/2008 2:36 AM UTC #35

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LeSHiJ-MaX;201865

Hey, I think a generator would really help to prevent the neutrals from spreading out too much. I don't really know what affects this, but I've played several times and they behave differently. And in one playthrough, an opponent's Hero just got wiped out by the neutrals. I think this could improve the playthrough by a couple of days.

Congratulations, 21 days is a good result. :) I think Los has a similar time. :)
I didn't generate anything myself, I ran through it in about 3..4 hours. I just ran around the map for almost two weeks, eating chests for GM stealth. Although, the combination of Death Dragon + Locusts + Phoenixes can be bypassed with Necropolis, but I don't remember about the Dungeon. If they can be bypassed too, then spending two weeks crawling around the map didn't make sense.
I also had to wait 3 days because the enemies scattered, but this depends on how quickly he is destroyed. If I had taken him out a couple of days earlier, I could have caught up. Clanmates, sorry, I don't always play well. :)

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10/22/2008 3:20 AM UTC #36

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Spai;201867

Congratulations, 21 days is a good result. :) I think Los has a similar time. :)
I didn't even generate anything myself; I finished it in about 3-4 hours. I just ran around the map for almost two weeks, collecting chests for GM stealth. Although, the combination of Death Knight + Locusts + Phoenixes can be bypassed with Necropolis, but I don't remember about the Castle. If they can be bypassed too, then spending two weeks running around the map was pointless.
I also had to wait 3 days because the enemies scattered, but that depends on how quickly you eliminate them. If I had defeated him a couple of days earlier, I could have caught up. Clanmates, sorry, I don't always play well. :)

Thank you, but let's wait for BigAke's and the official results. I also waited for the scattered enemies and farmed stealth on chests. :) And still, how did you play, what were your thoughts?

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Registered: 2/16/2007 9:44 PM UTC

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10/22/2008 9:15 AM UTC #37

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I have almost no experience playing Heroes 4. I just decided to quickly go through a map. This is exactly what I meant in my post, and not that you need to play with cheats in a clean playthrough. Of course, I was in a hurry and messed up by playing with an open map. That's where the "cheater" comment came from. I wrote about it without any ulterior motive. And now, a question that simply couldn't help but arise: can you cheat freely in Heroes 4, and then everything will be fine and in order? Please tell me more.

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10/22/2008 9:27 AM UTC #38

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LeSHiJ-MaX;201868

Thank you, but let's wait for BigAke's results and the official ones. I was also waiting for the scattered enemies, and I also leveled up Stealth on the chests. Still, how did you play, what were your thoughts?

On 1-3-1, it seems a neutral Chaos with a Tomb was taken.
The corpse is revived, leveled up, and with the armor of degeneration, it runs to attack the Barbarian.
The Runner grabs boots near the Chaos, killed the Necromancer, ran into the Chaos, ran, killed the Nature faction, there were almost no thoughts, and I didn't calculate the logistics – I don't really like such maps; I like blitz maps (a blitz map can also be an XL map, within 5-6 days maximum, sometimes I even completed it in 0 days), I just have this quirk – if possible, I want to excel where I can show a _very_ short result. :))
In general, the map is not difficult, it is quite suitable for a tournament, although, in my opinion, it is somewhat linear (of course, the optimal option here is to level up the Runner with Stealth and take cities with him, although it can be done differently), but at least anyone, even a beginner, can complete it, and this is a very important point. :)

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10/22/2008 10:15 AM UTC #39

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A Castle with Chaos as a point of return after capturing a city? I chose the Castle of Death. There's a level 1 spellbook on the water there, which allows you to bypass the forbidden summoning of the ship on the map. While the units were spending their turn swimming (I had to send 2 boats, and in total, I placed about 7 boats), my hero got boots from the vampires. Then I fled to my home Castle, and there's a portal (yellow) on the water that leads to the Barbarians. But the point is the same.

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Romanuel;201912

I have almost no experience playing Heroes 4. I just decided to quickly explore the map. This is what I meant in my post, not that you should play with cheats in a clean playthrough. Of course, I was in a hurry and made a mistake by playing with an open map. That's where the "cheater" comment came from. I wrote it without any ulterior motive. And now, a question that just occurred to me: can you cheat freely in Heroes 4, and then everything will be fine? Please tell me more.

The point is that you can cheat more freely in Heroes 4, BUT... Just like in sports, the first three are tested for doping. Or, additionally, the one who raised suspicion is tested, and then EVERYTHING IS SIMPLE. According to the rules, each player should have a save file at the end of the day. By looking at it, you can find out when the hero sneezed, blinked, or farted. (This is the difference from other parts of the Heroes series). ;)

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Registered: 3/3/2007 6:46 PM UTC

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10/22/2008 12:44 PM UTC #40

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Dear tournament participants, I present to you the preliminary results!

«Far From Paradise»
Number	Participant	Days	Points	Mercury
1	LeSHiJ-MaX	21	740	18
2	Спай	26	780	10
3	BigAke	30	616	152
4	T@mar@	47	676	105
5	LordZezuk	68	652	18
6	WisTrit	100	629	115

Dear Romanuel, your result is not listed for several reasons. First, the post was written after 12 a.m. on October 22nd. That is, the tournament is over, and I was not informed in advance about a postponement. Second, the save file did not arrive. Unfortunately. And third, as you yourself admit, there was the use of cheats. The use was unintentional, but it still occurred. The rules state that the use of cheats is only allowed during a rough playthrough. The use of ANY cheats is prohibited during a clean playthrough!
Therefore, I regret to inform you that your result will not be considered in the tournament.

P.S. The results are preliminary, so please be patient. The official results will be announced after a thorough check of the save files, and the rating will be updated after the official tournament results are published!

Sincerely, Luchik!

"Как это странно всегда..
Вроде бы взрослые люди,
А в голове ерунда..
Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."

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10/22/2008 12:46 PM UTC #41

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Spai;201914

It seems that on 1-3-1, a neutral Chaos with a Necropolis was taken.

That's quite strong:smile20:

Spai;201914

In general, the map is not very difficult, it is quite suitable for a tournament, although, in my opinion, it is a bit linear (of course, the optimal option here is to level up a fast unit with stealth and take cities with it, although you can do it differently), but it can be completed by anyone, even a beginner, which is a very important point. :)

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I had that option in mind. But is it possible to defeat anyone with just one fast unit?:confused:

Думающий поймет. Действующий совершит. Дорогу осилит идущий ©

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10/22/2008 1:33 PM UTC #42

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Dr Motor;201962

That's impressive:smile20:

:smile43:
I had a similar idea. But is it possible to defeat anyone with just one fast unit?:confused:

Is it really that strong? There's nothing surprising about it; it's just a Rogue and a Wand of Illusions. The logistics are terrible, considering you can play through several difficult battles, but it significantly speeds up the process of leveling up to Grand Master Stealth. It's not so much about the battles being difficult, but rather tedious (generating maps, etc.): Ogres, Beholders, Velites, Pikemen, Squires.
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You can complete the Castle campaign without relying on a fast unit, but it's not efficient because other heroes don't move as quickly. A Druid with Mantises, equipped with mana potions, can handle it. But after that, he's not very useful.
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The Wood Elf did well; he found the book. :)
By the way, I just remembered something. The well-known "Dungeon Child," or rather, the Underworlder, once wrote a save analyzer. It helps with scouting by displaying all the artifacts on the map with their coordinates, as well as artifacts in spawning locations. I don't seem to have it anymore, but I think the author wouldn't mind sharing it, as it's not an illegal tool, but it's useful. :)

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10/22/2008 1:48 PM UTC #43

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Spay;201867

Congratulations, 21 days is a good result. :) I think Los has roughly the same. :)
I didn't even generate anything myself; I finished it in about 3-4 hours. I just ran around the map for almost two weeks, grabbing chests for GM stealth. Clanmates, sorry if I don't always play well. :)

And don't scold me too much, you scoundrels. In the first week of the game, I couldn't even leave the starting area (out of habit, I tried to break through the wall with horns). I accidentally leveled up stealth in one of the runs, and then I had an IDEA. And for the remaining couple of days, I tried to win the game only with logistics, and I didn't have any long battles at all (in the first run, I tormented a summoned footman with ogres for about 2 hours).
But overall, I'm very happy :-) Thank you, Luchik, for the tournament.
And no matter how you look at it, there are two of us from the clan on the podium

Hooray, comrades

P.S. The "bird" limit is unfair. I haven't put them on everyone I wanted to yet :-(

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Registered: 9/23/2007 8:05 AM UTC

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10/22/2008 7:43 PM UTC #44

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LeSHiJ-MaX;201924

The point is that on Thursdays, you can cheat more freely, BUT, just like in sports, the first three players are subject to doping tests.

+1 - I support the wording.
+1 (another one) - well, did you win the tournament?
Because I bet 1:7 against you on Spay. So, it turns out you also screwed me over?
+1 (already three) - Leshiy, you're scaring me :) It's time to gather a group of Zhela, Zveroboy, and me, the poor one, and go ask you why you're taking Spay's seeds?

Congratulations!
I am sincerely happy for you.

I am not useless - I can be used as a bad example!

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10/22/2008 8:16 PM UTC #45

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It's high time to gather a gang with Zela, Beastmaster, and me, the humble one, and go ask you why you're taking seeds from Spay.

Dude, if such a "gang" gathers at this tournament, you need to announce it in advance. I really want to see that.
And in general, I'd just like to chat with Iron here, because this forum is missing that avid debater.

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Registered: 9/2/2006 9:10 AM UTC

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10/23/2008 3:42 AM UTC #46

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I and the fourth game – these are completely different things... But I read some soul-stirring lines here. I couldn't just pass by. I miss the old days. Iron, come back!!!