Posts from Math Metal and Post-Metal are the pinnacle and standard of all metal music.

Here, everyone creates topics, and I decided to ask for opinions. So, how does everyone feel about these metal styles, and does anyone listen to them?

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Math rock (less commonly math-rock) is a genre of rock music that emerged in the late 1980s in the United States. Math rock is characterized by complex, atypical rhythmic structures and dynamics, and sharp, often disharmonious riffs.
In rock music, the 4/4 time signature is most common. In math rock, atypical time signatures such as 7/8, 11/8, or 13/8 are more often used, or the time signature changes regularly throughout the composition. The rhythmic complexity, which seemed "mathematical" to many listeners and music critics, gave the emerging style its name. The music of bands performing math rock can be attributed to post-rock, progressive rock, heavy metal, and punk rock, but these bands can never be considered typical representatives of these styles.

The lyrics and their performance usually do not occupy a central place in math rock. The vocalist's voice is usually used only as another sound effect or instrument in the musical composition. In addition, many bands belonging to this style perform entirely instrumental music.
The most prominent and best (probably not just in my opinion) band is Meshuggah



Sludge doom (doomcore) emerged in America in the early 1990s, with bands such as Grief, Crowbar, and Eyehategod. It is a very slow and generally non-melodic style of heavy music, born at the intersection of traditional doom and old-school hardcore. Most sludge doom bands focus on dirty-sounding, drawn-out, and repeatedly recurring guitar riffs, with a powerful, sometimes even "overloaded" bass – this is the so-called "wall of sound," a "doomy" groove brought to a high density. They borrow some sharpness in sound (and sometimes even manifestations of real hardcore drive) from hardcore, and a rough, "sick" vocal style.

Further development of this genre, as a result of experiments in adding post-rock to sludge, is called post-metal.

Post-metal is a musical genre that is a mixture of genres such as post-rock and metal, with roots in progressive rock and industrial. The genre is mainly characterized by distorted guitar sound, typical of metal, a dark atmosphere, a gradual evolution of song structure, and minimal vocal expressiveness.

The most prominent and best (probably not just in my opinion) band is Isis

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Unfortunately, I haven't listened to the bands mentioned above, but I can say that frequent changes in tempo are not something I enjoy; this kind of music puts a strain on my conservative mind. As for industrial and distorted guitars, there's something to it, it's even cool, like with Rammstein, but I still prefer a more "live" sound – guitars, normal drums, etc.:)
Conclusion: I haven't been interested in something like math-rock, and I'm not particularly into post-metal either. I've only listened to rock and metal my whole life. I don't think it's some kind of "peak of metal" – rather, it's branches of development that combine many genres and claim to be "all-encompassing" in metal, but that doesn't mean they automatically become the peak and standard. I prefer to drink tea or coffee, but not tea with coffee at the same time. Combining styles is also good – the main thing is that they are successful. I'll reiterate that I'm not very knowledgeable about the topic; I guess I'll have to listen to these artists :)

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Unfortunately, I haven't listened to the bands mentioned above, but I can say that frequent changes in tempo are not a good thing for me; this kind of music puts a strain on my conservative mind. As for industrial and distorted guitars, there's something to it; it's even cool, like with Rammstein, but I still prefer a more "live" sound – guitars, normal drums, etc. :)
Conclusion: I haven't been interested in math-rock, and I'm not particularly interested in post-metal either. I've only listened to rock and metal my whole life. I don't think it's some kind of "pinnacle of metal" – rather, these are branches of development that combine many genres and claim to be "all-encompassing" in metal, but that doesn't mean they automatically become the pinnacle and standard. I prefer to drink tea or coffee, but not tea with coffee at the same time. Combining styles is also good – the main thing is that they are successful. I'll reiterate that I'm not very knowledgeable about this topic; I guess I'll have to listen to these artists :)

Well, that's also an opinion; for me, it's the standard, but I also emphasize that these styles are not for everyone, especially math metal... I also note that I haven't abandoned simple compositions either... Thank you for sharing your opinion:smile54: :smile03:

Hmm, what do you think of Mathcore? Ion Dissonance is a rather interesting band, and they're not the only one.

Mathcore is also good, but I still respect math metal more...
By the way, there's also something called Technical Metalcore; I recommend the bands Sikth and Protest The Hero, they've really excelled in it...

What post-metal bands would you recommend?

Lamb of God. Overall, the style is ambiguous. Some say it's death melodic (although not very similar), others say it's groove metal, and some call it post-thrash metal. But the band is high-quality.

What can you recommend from the post-metal genre?

The coolest are Isis (they are the originators of the style, by the way), and Rosetta too...
The style is quite blurred now; I've even encountered Post-Black / Post-Metal (I don't remember the band) or Post-Metal / Post-Hardcore / Mathcore ("Plebeian Grandstand")

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Lamb of God. It's a rather ambiguous style. Some say it's melodic death (although it doesn't really resemble it), some say it's groove metal, and some call it post-thrash metal. But it's a quality band.

Definitely a good band, I like the rhythmic elements, and I don't understand why people started confusing melodic death with metalcore (although they are similar). Lamb of God is Metalcore / Groove; it's a shame that the guys don't play technical metalcore.

I apologize for the necro-posting. But creating a new topic that is so specific seems a bit inappropriate, doesn't it...? And who likes Atheist? In different places on the internet, they are sometimes classified as math-metal, and sometimes not. Honestly, I don't care, because I really like the band. It's a shame that they don't have many albums.

Well, post-metal isn't such a niche genre after all.