Posts from The war in South Ossetia.

I doubt that if John McCain were the new president, they would immediately attack Russia... everything would remain exactly the same, only, perhaps, they would stop hiding their malice...

P.S. Vortex, did you clone yourself? :D Both avatars are from Fallout, and the signatures are the same... :D:D:D

The United States accuses Russia of genocide against the Georgian people.

Yes, all of this is made up. Georgian troops did not fire on civilians in Tskhinvali or our peacekeepers, and Saakashvili did not make public statements about not using force, and then gave the order to attack. Russia is a monster and a suppressor of democracy, and it also spreads disinformation. All opinions like "maybe we are wrong" are just utter nonsense.

I didn't say that. I just said that not all facts should be trusted. The fact that Tskhinvali was razed to the ground is simply impossible to hide. It's not that easy to hide the disappearance of a city. And it's not only Russia that spreads disinformation. And if you think that Georgia is a bunch of disfigured murderers who only want to kill people, and Russia is an army of righteous people who are going to protect the weak from the strong, then, pardon me, you're talking nonsense. Learn about the roots of this conflict and tell me - did the Russians do everything absolutely right? Did they behave well in the role of peacekeepers for several years in a row? I didn't say that Russia was not actually wrong, I just said that there is enough madness on both sides to fill an entire platoon.

I have a feeling that the Georgians have been thoroughly brainwashed all these years. So, I read that Saakashvili bought: 100 tanks, 120 armored vehicles, 20 airplanes and helicopters, and so on. Also, unfortunately, they still have Soviet military equipment that has no analogues in the world. 200 T-72 tanks... a nightmare...

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Georgia, without access to the Black Sea, wouldn't be worth even a rotten egg to NATO. Besides, Georgia has Soviet equipment that has no analogues on the planet - T-72 tanks, a nightmare...

However, it’s not worth exaggerating the capabilities of domestic technology. The T-72 is a tank from the 70s, a reliable and powerful machine, no doubt, but any main battle tank of developed European countries, for example, one made in the 90s, will surpass it in tactical and technical characteristics. The T-90 is a completely different story, but Georgia doesn’t have many of those :)

Georgia did indeed purchase NATO equipment. Also, Georgian soldiers were trained by American instructors, and very recently, the USA and Georgia held joint combat exercises, which, again, indirectly confirms the involvement of the USA in this problem and that it was a carefully planned operation.

Why are you attacking the USA? It's all about the "Iron Curtain" from the Soviet era. They said that things were terrible abroad, but everything was great here. As if joint exercises inevitably lead to war, right? Ukraine also held joint exercises with NATO, and what happened? Did we attack you? And it's not up to us to judge who is right and who is wrong. We need a lot of data about Ossetia, Georgia, and Russia to determine the cause of the war.

Personally, I don't see where they are "imposing democracy." Many residents of Abkhazia and South Ossetia have Russian passports (and this is a fact, not information from the media). Russian peacekeepers were sent to help South Ossetia, and certainly not to invade Georgia. "Beloved of the Gods," why are you trying to stir up pointless ethnic discord? Yes, Saakashvili deserves what you said. But that doesn't mean that Georgia should be occupied or its people exterminated. In Georgia, for example, there are many people who do not support Saakashvili. And even among the civilian population who support him, not all are maniacs or scoundrels. Saakashvili will not send the elderly and children to war, if only because then a popular uprising would begin in Georgia, and in that case, no support from the West would help Saakashvili and his government survive.

You fell for the provocation. And you've become VERY MUCH like America. Because you are also imposing democracy.

That's when we start bombing Tbilisi – then you can say that, but until then, hold your tongue.

Why are you attacking the USA? <...>

I was born when the USSR no longer existed. So what? The USA criticizes us at the UN, how should we react?
Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge to flame....

Offering Russian passports is a truly brilliant idea. Please explain to me why, if Russia was called upon as a peacemaker to regulate relations between Georgia and Ossetia (which, by the way, were not regulated but remained at the same level of tension), and Russia has long officially recognized that South Ossetia is Georgian territory, it would offer Russian citizenship to people living in Georgian territory? It's unlikely that Saakashvili can be compared to Hitler. There's still room for improvement. And the fact that Tskhinvali was practically razed to the ground can be explained by simple malice. The city is surrounded by Georgian and Ossetian villages. And for about eight years or more, these villages and Tskhinvali have been shooting at each other to keep things interesting. So many Georgians (and Ossetians) have died there that they no longer care about an entire city.

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Little one, who are you to speak for entire countries? I apologize for the not-so-polite tone. I can't help it.

Who is offering Russian citizenship to the Ossetians? The peacekeepers? Those who sent the peacekeepers? Now is not the time to offer anyone Russian citizenship. Regarding Russian passports, it was mentioned in my post in the context that it is one of the factors in favor of South Ossetia and Abkhazia joining Russia. I won't even mention the fact that these countries have long been in favor of this. Nazg +1.

and yet, Russia has long ago officially recognized that South Ossetia is Georgian territory.

What suddenly made you think that? If South Ossetia were considered Georgian territory, there would be no questions – after all, the territory of each state is inviolable :) According to the Dagomys agreement, "a joint Control Commission is established, consisting of the parties involved in the conflict [Russia, South Ossetia, and Georgia], which carries out its functions in cooperation with a group of military observers created in accordance with the agreements in Kazbegi. Each of the parties participating in the Commission appoints its representatives to it. The location of the Control Commission is the city of Tskhinvali." In fact, I am interested in how this very commission should work if almost nothing remains of Tskhinvali?;)

I heard some information (though it's likely unreliable) that Georgia illegally retained Abkhazia and South Ossetia as part of its territory after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

As if joint exercises inevitably lead to war, right? Ukraine also held joint exercises with NATO, and what happened? Did we attack you?

What does this have to do with anything? Are you saying that Georgia is attacking Russia?! If not, then why are you resorting to extremes?! The comparison is completely inappropriate. Everyone in the world knows that Georgia is completely controlled by the United States, and no serious decision will be made by the Georgian authorities without permission from Washington. The exercises could have looked less like preparation for military action, even at this point. The exercises themselves do not necessarily imply preparation for an imminent military conflict, etc. But there are a few problems. Doesn't it bother you that Georgia is currently the world's (!) leading country in terms of the rate of military buildup? Doesn't it bother you that the country's military budget has increased 30-fold in recent times?! (zero is not a typo) Doesn't it bother you, in the end, that the United States of America has in every way supported Georgia's aspirations to increase its military and has even, at times, sponsored the country? Or maybe it's just a series of incredible coincidences? I'm getting at the fact that if the United States didn't give Mikheil Saakashvili clear instructions to carry out this action, then they gave the green light 100%. Perhaps the permission from Washington itself implied more humane actions, but it was distorted by the Georgians themselves, or it was misunderstood (or mistranslated).

P.S. By the way, the information about the Georgian army is a fact. Just so there are no further questions.

However, regardless of how the Georgians interpreted it, it was "distorted." So, it seems they are wrong in any case.

P.S. And where was the flame war?

One can argue and blame everyone for a long time.
But we all know very well what awaits a person at the end of his life's journey. Yes, death. And after that, judgment.
Furthermore, to be honest - no words are needed.........................