What is your opinion about Heroes IV? — General

A.G.R.A.E.L.

7/20/2008 2:50 AM UTC

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I still remember the day I bought Heroes 4! Although, after a week, I deleted it from my hard drive. Overall, it's not a bad game; it was just presented a bit incorrectly. I especially liked the Devils – they looked pretty cool. There's not much else to say; it's a game for those who enjoy it. P.s. People just weren't ready for the release of the fourth installment; too little time had passed to forget about Heroes 3.

Zybr

7/20/2008 5:49 AM UTC

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It's just that not everyone wants to learn something new. It's easier to say that something new is a terrible project, and you'll immediately find hundreds of like-minded conservatives. So, the third game is considered a classic of the genre, the fourth is an innovation, and the fifth, for example, is essentially a mix of the third and fourth. Well, the developers couldn't, despite the blind hatred of the masses towards the fourth game, make the fifth game solely based on the third, because there are too many good ideas and ideas with continuation in the fourth.
After all, it's hard to imagine the fifth game without its skill trees, without unique schools of magic, and not the third game's elemental ones.

and to conclude...
The fourth game is a wonderful, UNIQUE part.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
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Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
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Dark Princess

7/20/2008 7:17 PM UTC

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WisTrit;186662

But you don't need to just treat them as "after the third game...",

Well, that's true... I was wrong about that...

WisTrit;186662

but if you treat them as the fourth game, then everything falls into place (well, almost everything). And the appearance of the castles... of course, they don't look that great, but on the other hand, this isn't a place for elegant balls with lovely ladies and elegant gentlemen. This is, first and foremost, a fortress.

I wasn't talking about the buildings themselves, but about the atmosphere around them. It just seemed a bit empty to me... no trees, no anything else, just bare ground, but I have no complaints about the buildings themselves.

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Zybr

7/20/2008 7:22 PM UTC

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Dark Princess;186772

I wasn't talking about the buildings themselves, but about the atmosphere surrounding them. It just seemed a bit empty to me... no trees, no anything else, just bare ground, but I have no complaints about the buildings themselves.

This depends on the terrain you are playing on, i.e., the ground in the castle (itself) changes depending on the environment (desert, grass, wasteland). Of course, adding a lot of trees won't make a big difference, but for example, a natural castle looks very good on green grass if you use Tigers + Unicorns + Dragons.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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Dark Princess

7/20/2008 8:12 PM UTC

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ZYbr;186774

It depends on the terrain you are playing on, i.e., the ground in the castle changes depending on the environment (desert, grass, wasteland).

That makes sense.

ZYbr;186774

A natural castle looks very good if you take tigers + unicorns + dragons.

I should try that... although I rarely play as Sylvan... I mostly play as Dungeon or Haven...

Loken

7/21/2008 8:04 PM UTC

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to love Chaos and Haven at the same time is quite symbolic :)

Zubby is the epitome of coolness.

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

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Dr Motor

9/8/2008 12:03 PM UTC

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I started playing with the second version. I played a lot of the third one. But the fourth one blew my mind!!! People say that there are fewer players in the fourth game compared to the third, but if they do play it, they absolutely love it, and nothing else matters to them – and that's exactly how I feel.:smile19:

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GhostЬ

9/8/2008 1:27 PM UTC

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I didn't like the fourth installment. I tried to play it several times (about 4 times), but I couldn't get past two weeks. Something about it is annoying. And the graphics seem kind of plasticky. The third and fifth games are better.

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Dr Motor

9/24/2008 11:35 AM UTC

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GhostЬ;194704

I didn't like the fourth game. I tried to play it several times (about 4 times), but I couldn't play it for more than two weeks. Something about it is annoying. And the graphics are somehow plasticky. The third and fifth games are better.

Heroes is not a game that should be judged by its graphics! For example, how can you judge the graphics of a game like chess:smile52:? How good are the graphics there? And do you know how long this game has been around? That's the point!;

Games of this genre don't need strong graphics, especially 3D. By the way, that's exactly why I don't like the fifth game – it really gets in the way, at least for me.

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Amko

9/24/2008 12:10 PM UTC

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Graphics might not be necessary, but the style is very important.

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Dr Motor

9/24/2008 12:16 PM UTC

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Amaranth;197065

The graphics might not be necessary, but the style is definitely important...

Oh! To be honest, I didn't quite understand what you meant by that... could you elaborate a bit more on that part?

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KonServator

9/24/2008 12:20 PM UTC

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In principle, I agree with Dr Motor. You can't judge a game based on the quality of its graphics. Heroes IV is a unique game in its own way, and no matter what people say, it remains popular.
And graphics are a kind of luxury that not everyone can afford (not everyone has a powerful graphics card like I do). But I don't agree that it "gets in the way." On the contrary, the stats of a particular creature can be understood thanks to the special effects, voice acting, and so on. I would say that Heroes V actually has more performance issues than the third game. This is one of the reasons why fans of Heroes III don't like the fifth game (especially those who play online).

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Dr Motor

9/24/2008 12:27 PM UTC

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KonServator;197068

In principle, I agree with Dr Motor. You can't judge a game based on the quality of its graphics. Heroes IV is a unique game in its own way, and no matter what people say, it remains popular.

+++++!!!

KonServator;197068

And graphics are a kind of luxury that not everyone can afford (not everyone has a great video card like I do).

Forget that, most people's computers can easily handle the fifth installment.

KonServator;197068

But I don't agree that it "gets in the way." On the contrary, the stats of a particular creature can be "felt" thanks to the special effects, voice acting, and so on. I would say more precisely that Heroes V has more performance issues than the third one. This is one of the reasons why fans of Heroes III don't like the fifth installment (especially online players).

I clarified that 3D graphics are a problem for me.
And as for "feeling" it, the numbers will tell us everything perfectly

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Amko

9/24/2008 1:31 PM UTC

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In detail. This color palette really annoys me, as does the overall graphics in Heroes 4. The portraits and menus are just scribbles, to be honest. It looks messy because the yellow menu and garish landscape are a poor combination... The cities aren't beautiful, and the buildings don't match the appearance of the landscape. At a resolution of 1024x1280, everything is small, and you can't make out any details, even on a 17" monitor. The monsters on the map are like tiny bugs. The "pseudo 3D" also doesn't fit. And, many people like the RPG elements of Heroes 4. If I want to play an RPG, I'll play an RPG. But I want a strategy game *goes to Heroes of Might and Magic 3*.

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Zybr

9/24/2008 1:56 PM UTC

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2Amaranth
Hmm... is it too small? But is "the size of 5" good? Especially when, due to some landscape object, you have to rotate the camera to catch that elusive item that you can't select with the cursor because of the decoration.

The portraits and menus are just scribbles, honestly. It's messy because a yellow menu and gaudy landscape are a poor combination.

The portraits are normal, almost the same as in the third game, although in the third game they seem to be more like stickers.
And where is the yellow?:eek: Is it the scrolls in which the option names are displayed? Hmm... well, well.
Since we're comparing it to the 5th game, here's my opinion: the animated main menu is just awful. Sometimes it's just annoying when you open the game just to watch a battle recording, and you forget that you also have a player on your computer, and so on, and the menu loads for a long time and sometimes lags.

The cities are not beautiful, and the buildings are poorly compatible with the appearance of the landscape.

Neither in the 3rd nor in the 5th game is there anything that would make the castle somehow react to the external landscape. Open the Academy castle standing on snowy plains and... oh, miracle!!! Inside and OUTSIDE there is sand!!! A desert!!! Or during the same castle siege...
Maybe in the 4th game, some building sometimes doesn't match the landscape of the map, but at least in the 4th game, the castle outside is never different from the castle inside.

At a resolution of 1024x1280, everything is small, it's impossible to make out, even on a 17" monitor.

What are you going to look at?:) In the 4th game, there isn't, for example, the Shadow Lord, so there's not much to admire:D

The monsters on the map are like bugs.

So what? This was the case in all parts, except for the 5th...

Yes, and many people like the RPG-like elements of the 4th game. If I want to play an RPG, I'll play an RPG. But I want a strategy game *looks at HoMM3*.

First of all, the 4th game does not claim to be an RPG in general. Yes, there are some similarities, but the game still remains a strategy game, and not a very simple one, with many small details.
I'm just curious... if you remove all the ideas from the 4th game from the 5th game, what will be left? - Upgrades, 7 levels of monsters, artifacts, and 4 basic characteristics. That's it! There won't even be magic!
By the way, in the 5th game, the hero's attack, with a fixed number of enemies killed, is very logical. It's a solid 5 out of 5. :)

2KonServator

On the contrary, you can somehow feel the stats of a particular creature due to special effects, voice acting, etc.

Whoever has the cooler special attack, their ability is better?:D

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!