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We, namely Warmonger and Primus, decided to organize a duel tournament in 2008 called "Between Light and Darkness." The winners of the tournament will receive: $50 for first place, $30 for second place, $20 for third place, and a consolation prize in the form of a King's Bounty: The Legend disc, or something else of the same value (approximately 300-350 rubles) for fourth place!!! 1. Tournament Idea To create a fast and very interesting tournament in which victory requires not only skill in playing with certain heroes, but also a good strategy. 2. Tournament Motto "Between light and darkness, stay true to yourself." 3. Tournament Rules Games are played on the latest official version of the game. Currently, this is Heroes of Might and Magic 5: Tribes to the East 3.0. By default, the game is played on the Ubi server. By agreement, the game can be played through the Hamachi program. The "Onslaught!" and "Abyss" maps are prohibited for selection! Tournament judges: Warmonger, Primus. The winner of each battle must обязательно make a replay and send it to H5HomoHomini@mail.ru. Group stage: Each player plays 4 games against each opponent in the group. One player creates two games, and the other player creates two games. The player highlighted in red in the table creates the first game. The player who created the game chooses the map on which the game will be played, then the second player chooses a hero (from their list of allowed heroes), then the first player chooses a hero (from their list of allowed heroes), and the game begins. In the next game, the roles are reversed. In the next game, the heroes who played in the previous games (within the same match) do not participate, meaning that any hero can be used only once during the entire match against an opponent. Based on the results of the match (4 games), the player receives 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and 0 points for a loss. A topic for reports will be created in a separate thread. After all games in the group have been played, the places are determined by the total number of points. The top four players advance to the final stage. In case of a tie in points, the places are determined by: a) the results of head-to-head duels; b) the highest number of wins; c) the best difference between wins and losses in all duels; d) the coefficient; e) the date of the last match. 1/8 finals Before the start, each participant crosses out 16 heroes that the opponent cannot play. The game is played until 3 wins. Hero selection is from the opponent's list of allowed heroes. The player who placed higher in their group creates the first game. The first player chooses the map, then the second player chooses a hero, then the first player chooses a hero, and the game begins. In the next game, the roles are reversed, and so on. In the next game, the heroes who played in the previous games do not participate. In the 5th game, the winner of the previous battle creates the game. Quarterfinals: Before the start, each participant indicates 14 heroes that the opponent cannot play. The game is played until 3 wins. Hero selection is from the opponent's list of allowed heroes. The player who placed higher in their group creates the first game. The first player chooses the map, then the second player chooses a hero, then the first player chooses a hero, and the game begins. In the next game, the roles are reversed, and so on. In the next game, the heroes who played in the previous games do not participate. In the 5th game, the winner of the previous battle creates the game. Semifinals: Before the start, each participant indicates 12 heroes that the opponent cannot play. The game is played until 4 wins. Hero selection is from the opponent's list of allowed heroes. The player who placed higher in their group creates the first game. The first player chooses the map, then the second player chooses a hero, then the first player chooses a hero, and the game begins. In the next game, the roles are reversed, and so on. In the next game, the heroes who played in the previous games do not participate. In the 7th game, the winner of the previous battle creates the game. Final: Before the start, each participant indicates 11 heroes that the opponent cannot play. The game is played until 5 wins. Hero selection is from the opponent's list of allowed heroes. The player who placed higher in their group creates the first game. The first player chooses the map, then the second player chooses a hero, then the first player chooses a hero, and the game begins. In the next game, the roles are reversed, and so on. In the next game, the heroes who played in the previous games do not participate. In the 9th game, the winner of the previous game creates the game. 3. Tournament Registration To participate in this tournament, you need to register on www.heroesworld.ru and leave an application in the following format: Nickname on HeroesWorld Nickname on Ubi ICQ number Approximate time available on the ubi.com server (specify hours and days of the week) Example: Player Play-er 000-000-000 Playing time is almost any, but you need to agree in advance. 4. Tournament Regulations Group stage: May 19 – June 4 Final stage: June 5 - June 18 5. Game Settings: Game mode - duel Dynamic battle - disabled This is a rated tournament! Registration is open until May 18 at 24:00 Moscow time! Since the tournament takes place during the exam period, a delay of a few days is possible. After registration, the tournament table with random factions will be posted. TOURNAMENT on HMM V: Between Light and Darkness Number Participant 1 KillAndAction 2 ValgallaWolf 3 Neo122007 4 Warmonger 5 Kitsune 6 Necromancher 7 absd 8 VICH 89 9 ArhLich 10 Alex Ghost 11 Green DooDLeZ 12 A1coho1!c 13 WOLVARINE 14 KRYUGER_666_13 15 strongit 16 Adelaida 17 Primus 18 Alex_R 19 chudo_udo 20 Vsev
Final Table

1/8

1/4

1/2

3rd place

final

winner

Neo122007 2
absd 3
absd 0ArchLich 0ArchLich 5chudo_ud0 4Alex_Ghost :smile49:
Warmonger 1
ArchLich 3
ArchLich 3
chudo_ud0 +
Necromancher -
chudo_ud0chudo_ud0 4
Alex_R -
Adelaida -
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VICH_89 3
KillAndAction 1
VICH_89 1Primus 3Primus 4Alex_Ghost 5
Primus 3
WOLVARINE 0
Primus 3
Vsev 3
A1coho1!c 1
Vsev 2Alex_Ghost 4
Alex_Ghost 3
ValgallaWolf 0
Alex_Ghost 3

Regulations borrowed from http://forum.heroesleague.ru
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:eek:

Don't change horses midstream, just like you shouldn't change the rules. So, I'm in favor of the second option...
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A huge request – please vote for the remaining participants as soon as possible. I will share my opinion later.
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chudo_ud0;178507
That reason is nonsense, because they will meet either in the quarterfinals or the semifinals anyway. I definitely vote for the second option.

You're just talking nonsense now... the difference is huge, whether players from the same group meet, and I want to note that the first option's bracket provides for a meeting not in the ¼ finals – but at least in the ½ finals - or even in the finals!!! (it's strange that you're voting against the new, fairer option, even without downloading and looking at it)
By the way, this principle is used in almost all professional sports, for example: football, hockey, etc.
chudo_ud0;178507
Since the first option was adopted after the start of the Competitive, it cannot be correct.

I agree that it is not entirely correct to change the bracket, but:
Firstly, in the initial bracket, besides the principle of the 1st place playing against the 4th and the 2nd against the 3rd, everything else is just "random" IMO.
Secondly, the bracket is not changed during the final stage, but at the group stage, so it should not greatly affect the players, unless, of course, the principle of the game and the position in the group are based on the bracket of the next stage ;)
Thirdly, the rules do not prohibit this!!! And it can be considered that this was a preliminary draw or just a small oversight by the organizers.
chudo_ud0;178507
You can't re-deal the cards. I think violating the rules (namely, changing the draw during the tournament) is unacceptable, because the reason described above is not so important; they are not playing 1st and 2nd places in the groups, but only 1st and 3rd, which means the stronger 1st and 2nd will not meet, everything is fine.

Let's talk about the facts, not escalate the situation...
We are playing a duel tournament – not a card game, where in preference or another card game, re-dealing the cards after looking at them is a gross violation written in the rules... here I don't see a rule prohibiting changing the bracket :), and in general, I think that the draw should be held immediately before each stage, and ideally - after the end of the previous stage, so as not to encourage giving up.
chudo_ud0;178507
Changing the draw during the tournament is a bad precedent and will affect your future tournaments. If you didn't like the draw, you should have said so before the start of the Competitive. I ask the judges not to give in. Show principle and do not change the rules during the Competitive. Or, if the herd instinct has already kicked in, then, as mentioned above, hold a re-draw after the group stage. Already a final one, although I would not change anything.

chudo_ud0 – you don't need to intimidate anyone here – this situation is just a small flaw in the regulations, "copied" from a source you know ;), and it will not negatively affect the development of tournament activities on Heroes 5 on Heroes World! There are no perfect rules yet, and there cannot be, and it is only a plus if they are adjusted without causing much harm to the tournaments themselves... the main thing is mutual understanding and respect for the organizer and participants, and of course, not to panic.

P.S. You can, of course, make a new re-draw or choose by voting from these two options – this is up to the organizers. But the principles on which the new bracket was created are fairer and more common in competitions.
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Alex_R;178929
You just wrote nonsense right now.
P.S. Of course, you can create a new draw or choose by voting from these two options – it's up to the organizers. But the principles by which the new draw was created are more fair and common in competitions.

What makes you think I haven't seen the table, and why do you think that option 1 is more fair?:) I don't think so. You can find a million even fairer options. The draw has already been done. I don't see any reason to change anything to favor hockey.
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chudo_ud0;178966
How did you conclude that I haven't seen the table?
because
firstly, it's clear that it hasn't been downloaded even once;
secondly, since you claim:
chudo_ud0;178507
That's nonsense; regardless, they'll meet in the semi-finals.
then you clearly haven't seen that the first and second or the first and third places won't meet until the final, and only the first and fourth can meet in the semi-finals, and the third and second – and even that is unlikely in practice...
And why I and many others consider this fair – I think it's obvious, but I can explain...
The point is that players from the same group already have the opportunity to determine each other's strength and put them in the 1-4 finals again – this is pointless because it's much more interesting for the participants themselves to play against a larger number of opponents – rather than playing against the same one.
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Alex_R;178969
because
firstly, it's clear that it hasn't been downloaded even once.
The table is updated every day, which is why it shows that almost no one has downloaded it. That's where the confusion comes from. Let's stop arguing. The voting isn't over yet. In reality, changing the table during the tournament is a serious violation of the rules. And I shouldn't have gotten involved in the fact that the initial bracket was bad and started redoing it. Well, this is my first tournament, so I made a mistake and didn't think everything through. Most likely, everything will remain as it is, because I don't want the tournament to turn into a complete mess and confusion, and some want it one way, others another, and a third might do something completely unexpected. I like the new version more, but I'll vote for the old one, because I explained everything above.
Да будет свет во всём мире !!!
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I don't care at all! What difference does it make in the tables, the main thing is the game! Everyone came to play, not to argue about the tables! I will remain neutral! Both tables are good! LET'S PLAY!
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I support the Supreme Guardian!!! Let's create a compromise and play with him!!!
День придет, сгинет род людской,
Звезды в первый раз, смех услышат мой.
В пустоту я свой меч метну
И навек уйду в ледяную тьму!!!

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KRYUGER_666_13;179270
I support the Supreme Guardian!!! Let's find a compromise and play with them!!!
Easy for you to say. There are only 2 days left until the end of the group stage, and you haven't played a single game yet. Let's fix that urgently.
Да будет свет во всём мире !!!
клан-"Homo homini"
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Primus;179371
Who would have thought. There are only 2 days left until the end of the group stage, and you haven't played a single game yet. Let's fix that urgently.

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Well, firstly, I played 2 games against Volv!!! And secondly, I won't have time anyway, so I'm withdrawing. Even if I finished the group stage, I would still either be eliminated in the 1/8 finals or leave for Egypt sooner!!!

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День придет, сгинет род людской,
Звезды в первый раз, смех услышат мой.
В пустоту я свой меч метну
И навек уйду в ледяную тьму!!!

:smile16: :smile16: ИНКВИЗИТОР :smile16::smile16: :smile16: :smile16:(Security рая) :smile16: :smile16:
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Based on the voting results and the organizers' opinion, it was decided to keep the old table.
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The table has been updated, and I congratulate everyone on making it to the playoffs (see the 1st post). It's time to summarize the completed group stage. Since I'm not good at writing beautifully and coherently, I'll keep it short and clear. Group A and Group B were the most challenging, with very strong duelists competing. I want to highlight the 1st place winners of all groups: Neo122007, VICH_89, Vsev, and chudo_ud0 :smile49: Next, the 2nd places were taken by: Primus, Alex_R, Warmonger, and Alex_Ghost. :) Then, the 3rd places were: ArhAngel, ValgallaWolf, WOLVARINE, and Аделаида. :) And finally, the 4th places: KillAndAction, Necromancer, Absd, and A1coho1! :) Congratulations to everyone! Those who didn't make it shouldn't be discouraged; you'll have another chance! Good luck to everyone in the playoffs! :) This was from Warmonger.
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How long will the playoffs last?:confused: It's been almost 2 weeks, and the round of 16 hasn't even been played yet:smile18:
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Vsev;182011
How long will the playoffs last?:confused: It's been almost 2 weeks, and the round of 16 hasn't even been played yet:smile18:
I don't understand what's going on at all. I'm giving them another 2 days, i.e., until the weekend, to play the round of 16. Otherwise, I will take strict measures, up to and including disqualifying both players in the pair if they don't provide serious reasons.
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Adelaide and Alex_R are withdrawing from the tournament because Alex's daughter was born, and I sincerely congratulate him and wish his whole family good health. Also, Anya can no longer continue playing due to a lack of free time. Therefore, chudo_udo advances to the semi-finals without a match.
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