The most UNPOPULAR faction in Heroes 5. — General

Gondar

4/30/2008 9:17 AM UTC

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I don't like humans; they don't have any special units besides angels, and their magic is weak. Humans are a weak race!

but you want them to be mages:D :D :D but humans are far from a weak race, especially with their attack and defense stats.:smile49: :smile49: :smile49:

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On the contrary, dwarves are a weak race. Their normal creatures are fire lords, oak shields, lava dragons, and Arcata priests.

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El Feroz;170466

What don't you like about the demons' design, when it's normal for other races? I think everything is done well, except perhaps for the Cerberuses (they are indeed drawn rather roughly). The Devil, compared to Heroes 3, has gotten quite fat, but he looks impressive and intimidating. :) :)

The devil hasn't gotten fat; on the contrary, he has heavy armor, which is why he seems fat.

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And what exactly don't you like about the demons? They are good for sieges, they look impressive, and they have many useful abilities, such as the demoness's chain or the gates of hell. And the Pit Lords are not bad either; I won't even mention the others. :) :) :)

С уважением Gondar.:) :) :)
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Boris K

4/30/2008 10:58 AM UTC

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Humans are strong due to training. And for light or dark magic, powerful spells aren't necessary. The weak attack and defense of mages are compensated by mini-artifacts and the hero's spells. I don't really like playing with them because it takes a lot of time to craft mini-artifacts. And this annoys my HotS partners. Dwarves are strong due to runes. It's difficult to play with demons at the very beginning. But later, they become quite competitive.

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El Feroz

4/30/2008 3:59 PM UTC

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G@ZMY@S;173667

I don't like Warlocks. They have weak units: their Titans don't resemble Titans, and Gargoyles and Djinns are just... something. Only Golems and Rakshasa are worth mentioning. Even magic can't fully compensate for the weakness of the units.
P.S. Sorry, Warlock fans, if I offended you.
P.P.S. Sector Gaza, everyone understands that morale doesn't affect undead, but you are still alive, and your morale is negative. So, if you express your opinion, back it up with objective arguments. And messages like "Warlocks are garbage" = spam.

No, Warlock units are quite good! Rakshasa and Titans, for example, are among the strongest creatures of levels 6 and 7, respectively. Gremlins, Gargoyles, and Djinns are indeed among the weakest for their level, but they are not used for attack. Djinns are used exclusively for spells, Gremlins only for repairing Golems, and Gargoyles as a shield (to cover archers).
Also, the fact is that Warlocks train attack and defense worse than others, and therefore, under the leadership of a Warlock, the units really seem weak. But in all the Heroes games, the purpose of this castle has always been magic, so when playing as the Academy, you need to defeat the enemy exclusively with spells, without relying too much on combat skills. ;)

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Gondar

4/30/2008 4:33 PM UTC

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the weakest unit for mages is the gargoyle. :( compare 50 gargoyles to 50 zombies. They will kill 6 zombies at a time, while zombies will kill 30 gargoyles at a time.

С уважением Gondar.:) :) :)
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El Feroz

4/30/2008 4:46 PM UTC

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Gondar;173762

The weakest unit for mages is the gargoyle. :( Compare 50 gargoyles to 50 zombies. They will kill 6 zombies at a time, while zombies will kill 30 gargoyles at a time.

No way! 50 zombies can't kill 30 gargoyles at once (unless your attack is 20 and the enemy's defense is 0, then I agree). Otherwise, a gargoyle has 8-10 attack damage, no more.

Amko

4/30/2008 5:11 PM UTC

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Yes, gargoyles can simply fly away from zombies, given their speed.

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G@ZMY@S

4/30/2008 5:23 PM UTC

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El Feroz;173747

No, the mage units are actually quite good! Rakshasas and Titans, for example, are among the strongest creatures of levels 6 and 7, respectively.

Ah... another discussion... :D
Honestly, I disagree about the Titans.
190 HP is very little for a level 7 unit, and their lightning attack isn't very good. In Heroes 3, there were REAL Titans, and they almost always carried the battle on their backs. Let me tell you a story:
Heroes 3, I'm playing as the Swamp faction. I gathered 5 full stacks of Swamp creatures (unupgraded Hydras). A crowd of Giants is guarding the Pandora's Box and the Sword of Justice. My hero has high Earth magic skill, and the plan is to use slow, blind, and shoot down the Giants with a bunch of Lizardmen with golden bows.
So, I attack... And there are 2 packs of Giants, 13 each, and a pack of Titans(!) 14 of them. I lost the battle, and decided to do without the artifacts and the box =))
Rakshasas are very good, retaliation is a very useful ability.
Golems are always a good choice, they are simply very strong warriors:smile47:.
But all the others...:smile48: (no offense to fans of this faction). Magic is useful, but it doesn't always decide the outcome of the battle

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Legolas2301

5/1/2008 8:34 AM UTC

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G@ZMY@S;173781

But as for all the others...:smile48: (no offense to fans of this race). Magic is useful, but it doesn't always decide the outcome of a battle.

I agree with you about the units, and also about the magic of the heroes of the mage race... However, magic plays a very significant role in battle, especially if the hero is a well-developed Warlock... He can cut down many enemies with his enhanced spells and elemental chains...

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Yes, guys, I voted against Inferno... Let me explain why... They are actually quite strong... It's not even scary to play as them... It's just that I don't like their style, or rather, how the castle and units are designed... Everything is red, with horns... And in general, I am a supporter of Good... I want it to always win... (Inferno fans, I don't mean to offend you...).

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Аренгар

5/1/2008 9:23 AM UTC

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GAZA SECTOR;173501

The worst are the Warlocks!

Explain...

Не смотри мне в Глаза!

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Gondar

5/1/2008 10:33 AM UTC

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El Feroz;173767

Nah! 50 zombies at a time can't kill 30 gargoyles (if your attack is 20 and the enemy's defense is 0, then I agree). Otherwise, a gargoyle deals 8-10 damage, and no more.

I meant that zombies will defeat more gargoyles than gargoyles will defeat them.

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Night Nazgul;173776

Yes, gargoyles can simply fly away from the zombies, with their speed))

Well, they'll fly away, but so what. They still have to fight.

С уважением Gondar.:) :) :)
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Warmong

5/1/2008 11:30 AM UTC

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The weakest unit for mages is the gargoyle. Compare 50 gargoyles to 50 zombies. They will kill 6 zombies at a time, while zombies will kill 30 gargoyles at a time.

I don't quite agree; gargoyles may be weak, but obsidian ones are immune to many elements, and that, in my opinion, is sometimes very useful.

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Legolas2301

5/1/2008 11:50 AM UTC

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GAZA SECTOR;173501

The worst thing is the Warlocks!

But why??? They have such awesome magic!!! Their enhanced spells and elemental chains are simply SUPER... Or do you not like the fact that they are mostly female?:confused:

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Julyanna

5/1/2008 12:15 PM UTC

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Legolas89;173950

But why??? They have such awesome magic!!! Their enhanced spells and elemental chains are simply SUPER... Or do you not like the fact that it mainly features female characters???:confused:

On the contrary, this pleases me, because there are not enough female characters. Their magic is indeed good, and their army is quite strong. It's a good race.

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СЕКТОР ГАЗА;173501

The worst thing is the Warlocks!

Okay, everyone has their own opinion, but explain it!! Why do you think Warlocks are so bad?

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El Feroz

5/1/2008 12:17 PM UTC

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Gondar;173940

I meant that zombies will defeat many more gargoyles than gargoyles will defeat them.

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Well, they'll fly away, so what? They'll still have to fight.

Maybe they won't have to. Since gargoyles are immune to elements, and zombies are not, a hero with gargoyles can fly away with them and simultaneously attack the zombies with spells:D

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Legolas2301

5/1/2008 12:26 PM UTC

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Julyanna;173963

Okay, everyone has their own opinion, but explain yours! Why do you think Warlocks are so bad?

I agree. I like your democratic approach... But I'll say it again, there's no accounting for taste... But if you're going to discuss someone, it's better to provide arguments... (this is for SECTOR GAZA...).