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The Jedi do not condemn love as such; they forbid it because:

A loved one gives us strength.
The fear of losing a loved one is fear.
Fear leads to the dark side.
This judgment is as narrow as the Jedi Code... Fear, emotions... it's all part of life... if a person (or other Jedi) doesn't experience these things, then who are they - just simple machines created to follow orders...?
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For example, let's compare Bastila and Obi-Wan (I chose them because they are Jedi).
Listening to Bastila, you can see this closed-off nature. And Obi-Wan, while remaining an exemplary Jedi, is quite an open person.
I compared them. I wouldn't call Bastila a nun in any way... My close friend even called her a hussy:D Besides, she didn't kill Revan during the attack on his ship, during which the explosion occurred, causing Revan to lose his memory... she didn't know that Revan had lost his memory, but she still didn't kill him or leave him to die; she saved him... Obi-Wan, on the other hand, is more dependent on the Council's decisions... and, like Anakin, if he had to make a choice in Knights of the Old Republic, he would most likely not have saved Revan, but would have left him to die on the ship...
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Even the Jedi's attitude towards love demonstrates the instability of their philosophy. In Episode 2, Anakin tells Padmé that Jedi are supposed to love because they are supposed to have compassion, which is, in turn, the essence of love. They are forbidden from forming attachments. That is, you must love everyone (but how do you do that if you don't even know how to love yourself?), and kill whoever you are ordered to.
The Sith are rational (not always, though) egoists. If love brings you what you want, then love to your heart's content. They draw strength from their passions.
All of this is stated directly even in the films.
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What could this mean? :D.
Obi-Wan is more dependent on the Council's decisions... and, following Anakin's example, if he had to make a choice in Knights of the Old Republic, he probably wouldn't have saved Revan, but would have left him to die on the ship...
Quite possible...

It's quite possible that she saved Revan because she already felt something for him?
Even looking at the Jedi's attitude towards love, the instability of their philosophy becomes obvious. In Episode 2, Anakin tells Padmé that Jedi are supposed to love, because they are supposed to have compassion, which is, in turn, the essence of love. They are forbidden from having attachments. That is, you must love everyone (but how can you do that if you don't even know how to love yourself?), and kill whoever they tell you to.
The Sith are rational (not always, though) egoists. If love brings you what you want, then love to your heart's content. They draw strength from their passions.
All of this is stated directly even in the films.
If Anakin says something, it's not necessarily indicative of a Jedi, IMHO :D.

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It's quite possible that she saved Revan because she already felt something for him?
Don't forget that you could choose Revan as a female character, and Bastila, unlike Juhani, isn't a lesbian... She still saved him...
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If Anakin says something, it doesn't necessarily mean he's acting like a Jedi, IMO.
He said this when he was still a Padawan, like a monkey repeating the dogma that the Jedi had been drilling into his head for 10 years. Or do you think the Jedi believed one thing, but were pushing something else on Anakin? Then it's clear why things ended the way they did...
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Well, it seems I'm the only "good guy" left here...
Maybe Bastille just wanted to try the dark side... who knows...
And it's stupid to portray Revan as a girl, because in the book he's a guy...
Juhani is also a lesbian, so I'm doing the right thing by killing her every time :D... IMHO, she looks "repulsive" :D... yeah, I'm like that, I kill anyone who seems like an ugly person to me :D...

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Ah, it seems I'm the only "good guy" left here...
Maybe Bastille just wanted to try the dark side... who knows...
And it's stupid to portray Revan as a girl, because in the book, he's a man...
Juhani is also a lesbian, so I'm doing the right thing by killing her every time :D... IMHO, she looks "repulsive":D.... yeah, I'm like that, I kill anyone who seems like an ugly person to me :D...
She didn't really want to try the Dark Side, but she was more human and emotional than the rest of the council...
It looks quite normal... why not make her a girl...
Yes - that's exactly the role that suits you... kill, execute, and let others think... after all, they get paid for it))
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Yes, that's exactly the role that suits Anakin... kill, execute, and let others think... after all, they get paid for it))
Why Anakin right away:D.
By the way, during the game in KOTOR, Bastila herself says (and Malak also tells her) that when she saved Revan, something happened, a connection was formed, and she felt the dark side...
The main problem is the misunderstanding: she always knew that Revan was Revan, but she still fell in love with him. It's interesting what would have happened if she had told him who he was earlier, I mean: whose side would he have been on.

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Why immediately Anakin:D.
By the way, during the game in KOTOR, Bastila herself says (and Malak also tells her) that when she saved Revan, something happened, a connection was formed, and she felt the dark side...
The main problem is the misunderstanding; she always knew that Revan was Revan, but she still fell in love with him. It's interesting what would have happened if she had told him who he was earlier, I mean: whose side would he have been on.
I don't know, of course, but I think she wanted him to figure it out for himself, to be who he wants to be and the kind of person Bastila "loved."
However, the term "loved" is quite debatable... because Revan, as it was said, attracted troops primarily with his power and leadership... Moreover, this "leadership" was something that connected people through the Force... not just as the leadership of a president, but not as exotic as love...
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Well, Revan is quite a charismatic person, so it's not surprising that so many Jedi followed him... I'm still curious about what would have happened if Revan had learned who he was prematurely? For example, on the Spire. By the way, Alex, do you know what that book is called?

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Revan is quite a charismatic person, so it's not surprising that so many Jedi followed him... I'm still curious about what would have happened if Revan had found out who he was prematurely? For example, on the Endar Spire.
By the way, Alex, do you know what that book is called?
No... I haven't read it...
Well, I think even if he had found out everything on the Endar Spire, he still wouldn't have had a choice, as he was cut off from the Force and was being hunted... it's unlikely that Malak's plan was to return the Sith Empire to Revan...
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No... I haven't read that one...
Well, even if he had found out everything on Endar Spire, I don't think he would have had a choice, as he was cut off from the Force and was being hunted... it's unlikely that Malak's plan was to restore the Sith Empire to Revan...
Too bad, I wanted to read it.
But they couldn't hunt him because, by that time, Malak didn't know that Revan was still alive! But it seems to me that, given his character, he could have recovered and regained his power on his own... Although, he could have returned to the Haven...

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Well, they couldn't hunt him because, by that time, Malak didn't know that Revan was still alive! But it seems to me that, considering his character, he could have recovered and regained his power on his own... Although, he could have returned to Haven...
In an hour or two? If you remember, the events on Endar Spire didn't last long...
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In an hour or two? If you remember, the events on Endar Spire didn't last long...
:D Well, of course, he would have to get out first; he would have used the services of, what was his name, Trask, and reached the shuttles, and then who knows what would have happened...

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