The essence of the tactics when playing as the Dark Elves. — Dungeon

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3/14/2008 4:31 PM UTC

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Well, each player decides this for themselves. And many factors influence the battle tactics. For example: hero development, obstacles on the terrain, the opponent's faction, elemental matchups, and even the landscape where the battle takes place, and much more. P.S.: Personally, I don't like it when I'm given hints during a battle (it has happened). But in general, you answered your own question... IMHO.

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3/14/2008 6:40 PM UTC

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Both Orcs and the TE faction are aggressive, so whoever attacks first is likely to win. Here, everything depends on speed.

Чую время пришло и захлопнулась дверь
Ангел пропел и полопалась кожа...
Мы выпили жизнь, но не стали мудрей,
Мы прожили смерть, но не стали моложе...
Агата Кристи
Ты должен быть сильным,
Ты должен уметь сказать: Руки прочь, прочь от меня,
Ты должен быть сильным, иначе зачем тебе быть?!
КИНО

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3/14/2008 7:33 PM UTC

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Dracon Mallasa;160251

Both Orcs and the Elves are aggressive races, therefore whoever attacks first will win. Here, everything depends on speed.

I cannot agree. I believe that against the Elves, the Orcs should prolong the game. Because the Elves' chaos will weaken over time, while the Orcs will only grow stronger.

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3/15/2008 3:03 AM UTC

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Night Nazgul;160263

I disagree. I believe that against the Elves, the Orcs should prolong the game. Because the Elves' Chaos will weaken over time, while the Orcs will only get stronger.

But will the Elves' Summoning spell weaken?:D
Why is everyone fixated on the idea that the Elves are pure Chaos? After all, the Elves offer a huge variety of tactics in battle. Anything is possible here... From pure magic to teleporting Hydras...

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

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Mdance;160344

Will Summoning of Elementals become weaker?:D

Summoning might not become weaker, but considering the difference in growth rates between Elementals and Orcs, eventually, brute force will prevail.

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Night Nazgul;160350

There might not be a summoning ability, but considering the difference in growth rates between Dark Elves and Orcs, eventually brute force will prevail.

Well, the "Essence of Tactics for Playing as Dark Elves" lies in approaching the enemy when it's advantageous for us. And avoiding situations where the enemy can overwhelm us with sheer numbers...

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

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3/15/2008 8:09 AM UTC

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The essence of the Dark Elf gameplay lies in the fact that once you acquire the "Arcane Wave" and "Chaos Magic" abilities, your magic will be superior to all others.

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3/15/2008 9:08 AM UTC

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Yeah... And is this all your doing? No, you won't get far relying solely on magic; they're expecting him to focus on Chaos. And there's also the army... In short, you won't get far relying solely on magic; you need to develop your army first.

Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

God save us everyone
Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...

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I agree with you, and no, meaning you are right about the army, but in the last mission of the last campaign of "Hammers of Fate," I won by using a knight army and the dark elf Illai's magic, meaning I combined them and defeated the main gnome:smile17: :smile20:

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3/15/2008 10:16 AM UTC

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An army is, of course, a good thing, especially considering the high damage, cooldowns, etc. But one thing doesn't preclude the other; you can level up both magic and the army, right?
As for Chaos, firstly, the ability of the Town Portal is mainly designed for it, and secondly, the chance is 15%, so sooner or later you'll have to take it... :D

So back off your rules,
Back off your jive!
Cause I'm sick of not living,
To stay alive,
Leave me alone!
I'm not asking a lot -
I just don't want to be controlled,
That's all I want.
All I want!
(с)The Offspring

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3/15/2008 10:22 AM UTC

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Mutare Drakke;160373

The essence of the Dark Elf gameplay tactic is that once you acquire the "Arcane Wave" and "Chaos Magic" abilities, your magic will be the best. :D

Young lady, you have fallen into a very dangerous misconception. :D

There are four points to consider regarding your statement.

General
1. The longer the game lasts, the more summoning becomes dominant compared to Chaos magic.

Specific
1. Dwarves - you can develop Chaos magic, but don't forget about combat skills, and it's better to take summoning (if you choose Chaos, take Sinithar). A pure Chaos mage will be torn apart.
2. Academy - counterspell and Chaos magic are ineffective (you need to develop a fighter - Kifru or Sorgalla).
3. Orcs - the main hero should definitely be Lethos, with a focus on Darkness and combat skills + elemental vision. It's better to take summoning as the second school (although if the map is not larger than L and there is a ring of cold in the guild, you can take Chaos with deadly cold).

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Mutare Drakke;160410

I agree with you, and no, that is, you are right about the army, but in the last mission of the last campaign, "Lords of the North," I won by using a knight army and the dark elf magic of Illai, that is, I combined them and defeated the main dwarf. :smile17: :smile20:

Yes, but in Multiplayer, you won't have that opportunity

Порою люди не со зла
Творят настолько черные дела,
Что до таких блистательных идей
Не вдруг дойдет и записной Злодей

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3/15/2008 10:29 AM UTC

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in my opinion, you shouldn’t even consider that strategy… in a regular game, everything is completely different, and it’s also better to level up the skills for the Town’s army, because you won’t be able to handle everything with just Chaos on the later stages of the game (for Town, focusing on Chaos is basically the same as losing). In general, you’ll end up with a strong Chaos and a weak army, and if the opponent is leveling up Resistance and Reflection + artifacts, then using Chaos spells here is useless (even if you take the Fire Lord and blast with a fireball – I talked about its advantage in another topic – it won’t help, because the army will be too weak and won’t deal enough damage, even with 50% armor penetration).
I agree with Vayshаn that Town players are just waiting for you to focus on Chaos, and the element of surprise is always important :)
In general, I think that for Town, you need to level up at least Attack and Luck, otherwise the army will be useless.

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3/15/2008 10:30 AM UTC

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Yes, something about the girls visiting us, seasoned Warlocks, really makes us happy... Spring... :smile23:

However, as Shogun rightly pointed out, relying solely on Chaos is a losing strategy. After all, everyone expects that from a Warlock. But he can surprise everyone, can't he? Let the Orc focus on Anti-Chaos... Good luck to him...

I would tear out the entire goblin race with a Hydra,
I have no respect for Cyclops,
For your Anti-Chaos, oh, Barbarian scoundrel,
I won't give you even the smallest coin:
I take out my spellbook and summon
A Burning Bird against the enemy.
Look, envy - the Dark Mother
Is rightfully proud of Vaishan.

Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...

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3/15/2008 10:52 AM UTC

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Mdance;160422

Yes, something about the girls visiting us, seasoned Warlocks, is really pleasing... Spring... :smile23:

However, as Seogun rightly pointed out, relying solely on Chaos is a losing strategy. After all, everyone expects a Warlock to do just that. But he can surprise everyone, can't he? Let the Orc develop Anti-Chaos... Good luck to him...

For the Orc, Letos creates additional difficulties in that he usually develops two schools of magic, and the Orc's head spins from having to guess Dark + Summon or Dark + Chaos, or maybe Summon + Chaos, or just Dark + all other combat skills.

Порою люди не со зла
Творят настолько черные дела,
Что до таких блистательных идей
Не вдруг дойдет и записной Злодей

Темный адепт клана GODS

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3/15/2008 11:02 AM UTC

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Shogun, you seem to have misunderstood me. I mean that these abilities need to be developed. But I agree with your statement. In general, those who haven't played Heroes of Might and Magic III will probably have a hard time with Heroes of Might and Magic V. :smile17:, :smile13:

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