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18 years ago
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Smoking is definitely bad, but some people become smokers regardless of their own will. For example, if parents smoke in the family, a child gets used to tobacco smoke! I smoke myself, but I'm almost done with it. If anyone wants to quit smoking but can't, I'll give you one piece of advice (which helped me quit). There's a great author, Allen Carr, and his book is called "The Easy Way to Stop Smoking" (and there's also one about stopping drinking). 95% of those who read it quit smoking (or drinking), and I'm one of them!
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18 years ago
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I don't smoke. A friend of mine suffered the consequences of smoking and ended up in the hospital on December 30th with inflammation of his left lung; he spent New Year's there... I also spent the year 2007 in the hospital, but that's not relevant and it's a completely different story...
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18 years ago
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"Smoking is harmful, drinking is disgusting, and dying healthy is a pity." But I don't mind! :smile44:
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18 years ago
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Smoking is definitely bad, but some people become smokers regardless of their own will. For example, if parents smoke in the family, a child gets used to tobacco smoke!
I can confidently say that this is not true – my mother smokes, and both parents of my friend smoke, but neither of us smokes or drinks! It all depends on the person – if they start thinking, "Everyone smokes, so I will too," then nothing will help that person. But if a person thinks about their health, nothing will stop them.
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18 years ago
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Well, firstly, it's simply an exception to the rule. Very often, children actually pick up the habit from smoking parents. By the way, they don't just start smoking because "everyone smokes, and it's cool." I don't like it when people think that's the only reason smoking starts. I, for example, started smoking for a different reason, and at that time, none of my friends smoked. Although, of course, it's a common reason.
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18 years ago
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People rarely start smoking for other reasons; let's do a small analysis:
1) In the vast majority of cases, people start smoking at a young age; adults rarely start ("for other reasons").
2) Young people usually don't have serious reasons for smoking, and they don't smoke because it's cool (the brain has evolved and is no longer susceptible to this), but because it's boring to stand with smoking people when you don't smoke yourself. So, it primarily depends on the people around you (again, I'm friends with other non-smokers, so there's no incentive to smoke). It's a bit convoluted, but the idea is clear.
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18 years ago
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Siverfale;146690

2) Young people usually don't have serious reasons to smoke, and they don't smoke because it's cool (the brain has evolved and is no longer susceptible to such things), but because it's boring to stand with smoking people when you don't smoke yourself, so it primarily depends on the people around you (again, I'm friends with other non-smokers, so there's no incentive to smoke). It's a bit convoluted, but the point is clear.
I can't agree; I have several friends who smoke, but I don't even want to try it.
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18 years ago
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I can't agree. I have several friends who smoke, and I don't even want to try it.
Read the post above – if a person cares about their health, nothing will stop them from not smoking, but a non-smoking group really helps.
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18 years ago
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2) Young people usually don't have serious reasons to smoke, and they don't smoke because it's cool (the brain has evolved and is no longer susceptible to that), but because it's boring to stand with smoking people when you don't smoke yourself, so it primarily depends on the people around you (again, I'm friends with other non-smokers, so there's no incentive to smoke). It's a bit awkward, but the point is clear.

That's exactly what I meant. The psychology is this: "What is this? Everyone smokes, but I don't?" That's ridiculous. I started smoking because I had problems in my personal life. Of course, smoking a cigarette doesn't make you feel better, but it's easier to be nervous with a cigarette between your fingers.
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18 years ago
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That's exactly what I meant. The psychology is this: what is it? Everyone smokes, but I don't? That's not right." It's complete nonsense. I started smoking because I had problems in my personal life. Of course, smoking a cigarette doesn't make things easier, but it's easier to fidget with a cigarette between your fingers.
I'm 15, so my classmates always use me as a clear example... Do you think they also smoke because of problems in their studies/personal life, etc.? No. So I can say with absolute certainty, I repeat, THERE ARE people who smoke for other reasons, but compared to the people described above, there are FAR FEWER of them.
P.S. I didn't mean to offend you in any way.
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18 years ago
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Almost everyone in my company at uni smokes.
And so what? Once, one of them asked me, "Why don't you smoke, think you're special or something?". And I told him why the hell would I smoke, with all those health problems—shortness of breath, coughing, and other crap. The guy just shrugged.
So not smoking in a company of smokers is more than possible.
And one friend of mine has been telling me since school, like a couple of years ago, "I'll quit after the New Year." He started either because of problems or bad influence. Now I see him with a cigarette and say, "Lekh, you wanted to quit a long time ago." But he can't. My advice to you—don't smoke.
Of course, if you want to, it's your own business, it's your health, but it's better not to. It'll cost you more in the end.
[15.07.2007] Tobacco takes away not only the health of smokers, but also deprives them of muscle mass
Recently, the American Journal of Physiology published research results indicating that systematic tobacco use leads not only to cardiovascular diseases and cancer, but also to excessive loss of muscle mass with age.

As a result, a person's physical activity and ability for self-care decrease.
16 people aged 60 were invited as patients for the study: they were grouped by similar living conditions and habits; all consumed the same amount of alcohol and led approximately the same level of active lifestyle. Half of the group consisted of smokers who had smoked 20 cigarettes a day for 20 years, and the other half were non-smokers.
To evaluate the intensity of metabolism in muscle tissue, they were all intravenously administered a drug containing a labeled amino acid that was incorporated into the structure of the synthesized protein. Muscle tissue samples were taken from all subjects before and after infusion: the rate of protein synthesis in muscles was proportional to the total muscle mass.
During measurement, it was found that protein synthesis in the muscles of smokers was significantly slower than in the muscles of non-smokers. Furthermore, there was a higher concentration of substances in the muscles of smokers that slowed down muscle mass growth on their own.

although on the other hand, there are counterarguments:
Do you smoke? Actually, it doesn't matter. You are either on one side of the barricades or the other anyway. For this world has long been torn apart by a war in which two armies fight—the Tobacco Leaf and the Clean Air.
Is smoking dangerous for health?
The funniest thing is that so far no one has been able to either 100% confirm that smoking is dangerous or refute this idea. Neither scientifically nor statistically. (Well, why would they—the authors and executors of the "anti-tobacco hysteria" have already decided everything for themselves!). It is reliably known that heavy (! specifically HEAVY) smokers experience a decrease in working lung volume; under exertion, their pulse increases more, and shortness of breath appears faster than in non-smokers. It is certain that smokers have an increased metabolism, which is why they gain weight worse and lose it faster (which isn't bad, by the way!). As for how dangerous these changes are to life, it currently seems impossible to judge. Because as soon as it comes to nicotine addiction, both scientists and statisticians throw up their hands. Yes, up to 70% of those dying from lung cancer are smokers or former smokers. But if you take a basic age-social-gender cross-section of such deceased (i.e., people of the same gender and age, BOTH suffering AND NOT suffering from lung cancer—it's written vaguely), it turns out that it consists of 70% former or current smokers either way.
Yes, shortness of breath when climbing to the fifth floor is not good. But on the other hand, smokers solve IQ test problems 15% faster. And they die from diabetes mellitus twice as rarely. Yes, children of smoking pregnant women are more often born underweight. However, dangerous pre-labor preeclampsia is 50% less common in female smokers and the number of cases of toxicosis is reduced by a third. Pulmonary emphysema occurs twice as often in smokers, but Alzheimer's—three times less often than Parkinson's disease.
Here—official medicine beats the gong of victory—that's it! It has been 100% established that smokers are more likely to fall victim to frostbite—their tissues resist cold worse. Proven, verified, locked in the safe! Let's fight the bad habit! But then a report from the British Medical Academy crawls up about a sharp decrease in the number of ulcerative colitis cases among smokers compared to non-smokers—no, now what kind of foul play is this!
Summary data once again show that statistics are a lying, inaccurate, and insane science. But it gets even worse when these statistics are suddenly put in order. The appearance of a medical report from the Australian Bureau of Statistics on the health status of the continent's population in 1989-1990 ended in a wild scandal. Here you also need to consider that in Australia, with its centralized system of treatment centers and medical insurance, any statistical research looks much more convincing and large-scale than data from European and American centers. So, according to this report, the health of Australian smokers was generally better than the health of non-smokers or those who had quit smoking. Atherosclerotic diseases and oncology—the two main scarecrows in the fight against smoking—showed very modest results among those who, by their own account, never let the smoking sticks out of their mouths, compared to their non-smoking fellow citizens (indeed! No wonder the "fighters" ignored this report—they'd blow the whole office!).

If you consider how much money anti-nicotine lobbyists managed to pump out of government pockets at that same time for their great struggle (which could have gone toward ACTUAL funding of healthcare, fighting REAL diseases and disasters), then for such reports, their authors should have been fed to the sharks frolicking in the coastal waters of Sydney...
Compared to this bomb, one could even ignore the traditionally disgusting results of Greece (the highest percentage of smokers in Europe and simultaneously the lowest level of oncology and circulatory system diseases). What is this Greece—after all, they have sun, wine, mountain air, folk dances...
...The money going toward the fight against smoking, which is bitten off from tobacco companies and squeezed out of state budgets—these are sums with a lot of zeros. It's no wonder that such golden glitter attracts so many fervent fighters, angry orators, and passionate advocates for the happiness of mankind. People will always pay two types of citizens, as the imperial philosopher Marcus Aurelius once said: "Those who entertain them, and those who frighten them."
Of course, the scale of the entertainment show business is still larger, but the "frighteners'" business is also quite prosperous.
Hundreds of foundations successfully pocket tobacco millions, feeding doctors and journalists, politicians and public figures. Of course, one could also fight abortions, power plants, genetically modified products, bad ecology, the crisis of overproduction, car manufacturing... But in most of these cases, too powerful forces usually stand on the side of "vice," which are still quite successfully resisting such attacks. Try to properly touch those same genetically modified products—half of all US farmers will rise against you; no one is foolish enough to butt heads with such bulls. But tobacco companies turned out to be fat and appetizing enough, but at the same time too weak. Shoo them away, shoo! The successes in the fight against the devil's potion boggle the imagination—bastions are falling one after another. Smokers have been surrounded by red flags from all sides; non-smokers have been hammered with the idea that those with smoking things in their mouths are attacking your life and freedom. They are smoking out your children, and they will grow up to be stupid freaks; they deprive men of sexual potency; they jinxed your cows and dance naked on Bald Mountain! In general, old recipes (fooling the masses and finding an imaginary "enemy" for them to distract from real problems) still work well.
Convincing a modern non-smoker that a person with a cigarette at the other end of the restaurant causes him absolutely no harm is like trying to tell a pious citizen of Cologne 500 years ago that witches don't actually sour milk or ruin children in the mother's womb"...
And here are SOME more good suggestions for such "fighters":
NEW ENEMIES OF HEALTH!
1) Chair manufacturers! Because people get used to sitting on chairs, stop moving, get fat and lose their human appearance!
2) Yogurt manufacturers—EVERYONE who eats them dies sooner or later—scientifically proven!
3) Candy manufacturers—they ruin teeth, and excessive consumption causes bowel obstruction!
4) Bottled water manufacturers—because if you pour water from several such bottles into a bathtub, you can die!


I read the article for the first time in MAXIM magazine; on the internet it can be found under the title "Tobacco Nonsense"


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in general, it's a personal matter for everyone. although I've already chosen my path.
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18 years ago
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He started smoking in kindergarten and drinking in 8th grade. He drank himself to the point of having several episodes of delirium tremens, and after one particularly heavy drinking bout, he vomited blood – he hasn't drunk since. After some time, he quit smoking. Now he feels good, and in his free time from work and studies, he does sports.
About the past years, I can say: they brought nothing but problems.
P.S. These years were enough for me to understand: cigarettes and alcohol morally and intellectually degrade a person (alcohol especially)...
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18 years ago
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Well, I smoke, so what? And I do many kinds of sports! Half of my friends smoke, and even if you stand next to them, you still breathe in the smoke. And I didn't start smoking because of my friends, but out of boredom. I spent a month in a different city, and that's where I started, but I thought I would quit, but fishing got in the way again! When you sit by the fire all night, it's just nice to smoke. Although I know how harmful and scary it is.
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18 years ago
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Nelyud, what the heck... You're something else!
I don't smoke. I tried it when I was 13, once, and it didn't work out. I figured, if it doesn't work, then there's no need to force it! It annoys me when my friends smoke. I have to arrange "battles" for and against smoking. And if I want to relax, then I can have a little beer; it's better that way...
It turned out a bit awkward, but I hope people will understand me.
In short, it's better not to start smoking. It's hard to quit later, I've come to that conclusion watching some of my friends.
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18 years ago
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I don't smoke, and I don't recommend it to you!!!!

I can't think of a single argument in favor of smoking!!!

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