Posts from [HMM III OFF TOURNAMENT] "Race for the Leader"

I would also like to participate in the tournament! What do I need to do?

I would also like to participate in the tournament! What do I need to do?

Wait until the save file for the next stage is uploaded, download it, and play.

Walkthrough for stage 1-4
Day FIRST.
Gem and Clancy collect gold. Josephine is purchased (Torosar), takes luck artifacts, and goes to the mill. Thorgrim is purchased (Ryland), takes troops from Clancy and Gem. Gem goes to the mill, Clancy for gold. Ryland is purchased (Kyrr) and runs to the estate with Grand Elves, while Thorgrim takes the chests. Kyrr is purchased (Melody) and runs toward the stables. Melody is purchased (Malcolm) and heads toward the corpses. "E"

Day SECOND.
Josephine recruits a Magic Dragon, obtains the Titan's Gladius, and gives it to Gem. Thorgrim gives troops to Ryland, who connects the Grand Elves. Torosar is purchased (Mephala). Gem takes the Cloak of Speed and gives everything to Torosar. Torosar gives Centaurs to Melody, and the Magic Dragon to Clancy. Clancy takes the dwarf mine with one Fairy Dragon and gives it to Melody. With one Dragon and a Ballista, Melody wipes out 300 Zombies, reaches level 11, Expert Wisdom, Luck, Diplomacy, and Logistics, and stands before the garrison. Torosar takes mercury, and Clancy runs for the boots. Ryland runs to the dendroids, while Thorgrim and Kyrr go to the stables. Kyrr collects resources. "E"

Day THIRD.
Ryland picks up Unicorns, Dendroids, and Grand Elves. Thorgrim takes troops from Ryland, breaks into the crypt and gives them to Kyrr, who gives them to Gem, who opens the beast-den and gives the troops to Melody.
Melody (15-1-5-5) against Garrison (24 Bone Dragons)
Army BEFORE: 28 Grand Elves, 14 Dendroids, 53 Centaurs, 1 Magic Dragon, 5 Combat Unicorns, 11 Warrior Dendroids, 9 Wood Elves.
Army AFTER: 20 Grand Elves, 1 Magic Dragon, 6 Warrior Dendroids.
The fight is simple. Surrounded the shooters and the Magic Dragon distracts them.
Melody kills Aislinn, captures Coldsoul, and hides in it. Thorgrim, Ryland, and Kyrr are dismissed. Torosar heads for the boots, and Clancy takes the gloves. In the Necropolis, Malcolm (Aeris) is purchased and a Mages' Guild is built, while Malcolm runs to the blue guardian of the passage. Mephala (Enova) is purchased and stands next to the shrine. "E"

Day FOURTH.
During the turn transition, Galtran storms the Necropolis and suffers defeat, dropping out of the struggle.
With one Magic Dragon, Melody recruits 13 Vampire Lords guarding the sulfur mine and gives them to Mephala, Mephala to Gem, Gem to Josephine; Torosar takes the boots and gives them to Clancy. Josephine picks up resources and gives all goods to Clancy.
Clancy (17-6-2-1) against 48 Combat Unicorns.
Army: 1 Centaur, 13 Vampire Lords.
Centaur is meat, but the Ghouls are alive!!
Enova (Ryland) is purchased, takes Grand Elves and Dendroids, opens the crypt, and gives them to Malcolm. Malcolm captures Fortune Keep. Torosar and Josephine are dismissed. A tavern is built in Fortune Keep, and a graveyard in the Necropolis. Ryland (Kyrr) is purchased in Fortune Keep. Malcolm goes to the Castle, while Ryland recruits Grand Elves and Dendroids guarding the crystal mine. Kyrr (Thorgrim) is purchased in Coldsoul and stands one step from the legion of corpses. Thorgrim (Ivor) is purchased in Fortune Keep, visits the mill, and runs up. "E"

Day FIFTH.
Clancy wipes out the griffins guarding the sawmill, collects resources, and gives Gem artifacts and troops. Gem gives them to Mephala, Mephala to Melody, Melody to Kyrr. With a Magic Dragon and Ballista, Kyrr wipes out 4000 dead. After the battle, Kyrr is level 18. Expert Archery, Logistics, Ballistics, Earth, Air, Intelligence, and Basic Wisdom. To be honest, I leveled for the Speaker's Hat, which is why I took Intelligence and Air, but then the hat option was cancelled, though it's too late to replay... And no need! Kyrr passes vampires and artifacts to Enova, Enova to Thorgrim, Thorgrim to Ryland. Ryland wipes out Silver Pegasi and connects Dendroids, while Thorgrim takes Gladeroot. A tavern is built there. Kyrr is dismissed; Ivor (Torosar) is purchased. Army and artifacts are given to Ivor.
Ivor (15-3-1-1) against 48 Champions.
Army BEFORE: 13 Vampire Lords, 6 Centaurs, 7 Centaurs, 4 Dwarves, 4 Dwarves, 26 Warrior Dendroids, 38 Grand Elves.
Army AFTER: 13 Vampire Lords, 1 Dwarf, 19 Warrior Dendroids, 38 Grand Elves.
I think the fight needs no commentary, although I replayed it many times to minimize losses.
Also, Ivor wipes out Unicorns for the Wanderer's Ring. Some resources are picked up, Mephala is dismissed, and Malcolm comes out to collect a few things. Liches are built in Coldsoul. "E"

Day SIXTH.
Thorgrim collects resources and visits the green tent. Ivor takes the ring and gives troops to Ryl, who recruits Silver Pegasi and gives everything to Enova. Enova opens the dwarf mine and gives troops to Malcolm. Malcolm to Melody, who recruits 48 Dread Knights. After this, I'm not afraid of anyone!! Y-Y-Y!! Enova, Ryland, and Ivor are dismissed. Torosar (Kyrr) is purchased in the Necropolis, takes troops from Melody and gives them to the newly purchased Kyrr (Mephala). Vampires are built in Coldsoul and a book is purchased for Kyrr (solu rules!). Torosar and Kyrr run free; Kyrr visits the flag, kills the Azure Dragon, breaks through the garrison with Ghost Dragons almost without losses (masslow rules!) Gem and Clancy collect resources. Mephala (Enova) is purchased and runs toward the flag. Thorgrim is dismissed; Aeris (Alagar) is purchased in Gladeroot and goes to the Dragons. "E"

Day SEVENTH.
Melody recruits Vampire Lords guarding the machine factory, gives Kyrr the Magic Dragon. Kyrr captures Haunt Wind and kills Vokial. After many attempts at this fight, Vokial killed me with a magic arrow, while the Dragon's Magic Mirror never worked once; I still don't understand why or how it even works for him??? Melody gives all troops and artifacts to Torosar, and Ghouls to Mephala. Mephala visits the flag, captures Agony, and hides there. Torosar passes the baton to Malcolm, Malcolm wipes out elementals, takes the alchemist's laboratory and gives everything to Gem, Gem to Clancy, and Clancy goes through the gates. Aeris takes the necessary troops from him and into battle!
Aeris (12-1-3-3) against 33 Ghost Dragons.
Army BEFORE: 1 Centaur, 1 Grand Elf, 24 Dread Knights, 1 Grand Elf, 24 Dread Knights, 19 Warrior Dendroids, 1 Centaur.
Army AFTER: 43 Death Knights. Easy!!!
Enova (Ryland) is purchased; Aeris takes a scroll and portals (Expert Earth after battle) to Haunt Wind, gives everything to Enova, and hides in the castle. Ryland (Ivor) is purchased. Ryland (Ufretin) is purchased. A small reshuffle of troops and artifacts, and all heroes run toward the portal. Black Knights are built in Coldsoul. "E"

Day EIGHTH.
During the turn transition, Charna and Moandor try to take back their city but drop out of the struggle.
Gem picks up wood and hides in the castle. Clancy visits the mill. Malcolm moves toward the garrison. Torosar captures the gold mine. Ryland recruits Giants, Peasants, and 16 Gold Dragons and gives everything to Kyrr. Thorgrim (Melody) is purchased, collects resources, and is dismissed. Melody (Pickerdam) is purchased. Kyrr wipes out 9 Green Dragons, cyclops warehouses, and utopia. Ivor runs to the gates, Melody approaches, Kyrr gives her everything except the Gold ones, and with 16 Dragons storms the library. Torosar is dismissed; Mephala heads toward the red tent. Ryland is dismissed; Pickerdam (Josephine) is purchased and runs to point 86;53;0. Bone Dragons are built in Coldsoul. "E"

Day NINTH.
Clancy and Enova collect resources. Mephala visits the red tent. Melody recruits 9 Green Dragons, gives the Dragons to Kyrr; Kyrr teleports to Agony and converts 16 Gold and 9 Green into 25 Bone, teleports to Coldsoul, builds a Upgraded Dragon Crypt there, markets are built in all castles, resources are exchanged, dragons are upgraded, and he teleports to Emerald Moor. Gem comes out, takes the scroll and dragons, and gives them to Malcolm. Malcolm exchanges the dragons for Armageddon's Blade, does a TP back, and gives the blade to Kyrr. Enova, Mephala, and Malcolm are dismissed. Kyrr portals to Haunt Wind; Aeris comes out, takes the scroll and blade, visits the blue tent, does a TP, and gives it back to Kyrr. Kyrr gives it to Pickerdam, who gives it to Melody, who gives it to Ivor, and he takes the Boots.
Ivor (24-11-10-9) against Dead Man's Boots
Army BEFORE: 43 Dread Knights, 1 Silver Pegasus, 19 Grand Elves, 1 Silver Pegasus, 5 Giants, 2 Stone Golems, 1 Silver Pegasus. In short, a complete zoo!!
Army AFTER: 17 Dread Knights. Oh well!
Ivor obtains Expert Earth and goes to Haunt Wind and gives the Boots to Kyrr. All unnecessary heroes are dismissed; all resources are exchanged for mercury. Finally, Kyrr wipes out Magma Elementals with Dread Knights and 4000 corpses with one Magic Dragon and does a TP, completing the mission successfully!
P.S.: Magic Dragon is SUPER!!!

VICTORY!!!
Result:
Days – 9;
Sum of Kyrr's primary stats – 77;
Mercury – 501;
Gold – 81 kopecks;
Cities – 6.

Respectfully,
Dirty_Player.

By the way, the general offline rules on HeroesWorld state that you must save the replay file. Descriptions are optional.
It's strange that the lack of a description delays the official tournament results...
or does Kolbazzer have special rules here too?

Apparently not: the description and replay file are in case a player is suspected of cheating...

True, I do have one wish – before the next round begins, we need to fully understand and finalize the scheme for determining the winner.

I completely agree with Dmitry! We need to clarify everything, APPROVE it, and then start.

Let me give you a simple example:
Hero A, stage by stage (didn't play, 1000, 1000, 1000) = 875
Hero B, stage by stage (1000, 1000, 1000, 850) = 862.5
So, is there anyone else who will say that everything was fair?

Vitaly, it would be better if you told me why Hero B "screwed up" at the last moment, if he had been playing at 1000 the whole time? It seems that it's his problem, since he did that (at the very last moment, he messed up).

Added 27 minutes later

It's strange that the lack of a description is delaying the announcement of the official tournament results...
Or is everything different with Kolbazzer?

It seems not: the description and save files are needed in case a player is suspected of cheating...

This is my first tournament, and I'm running it alone, so I have little experience (in checking saves), hence these "nitpicks" (requiring save files and descriptions) from the participants. I hope you will fully understand this situation.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

Added 6 minutes later

I completely agree with Dmitry! Everything needs to be clarified, APPROVED, and then we can start.

If I knew where I would fall, I would have at least put some straw down. But everything has already been approved, and I definitely won't change anything now.

Vitaly, tell me, why did the Hero "mess up" at the last moment, if he had been playing at 100% the whole time? It turns out that it's his problem, since he did that (at the very last moment, he completely failed).

Okay. Situation: 1000, 1000, 1000, 850 = 862.5
and 850, 850, 850, 1000 = 871.875

Who deserves to win more? The one who messed up for three stages and only played at a good level in one, or the one who dominated for three stages and only slightly faltered in the last one?

Yes, even if we consider the second option: 850, 850, 1000, 910 = 864.375
In the first two stages, the first player was much stronger, the third stage was even, and in the fourth, both messed up, but the second one did it a little less. And he's the winner???

Vitaly, it would be better if you told me why the Hero “messed up” at the last moment, even though he had been playing at 100% the whole time. Does that mean it’s his problem, since he did that (messed up at the very last moment)?

According to you, showing 9 days versus 8 days for the winner means “messing up”?

Okay. The situation: 1000, 1000, 1000, 850 = 862.5
and 850, 850, 850, 1000 = 871.875

Who deserves to win more? The one who messed up for three stages and only played well in one, or the one who dominated for three stages but faltered a bit in the last one?

Yes, even if we take the second option: 850, 850, 1000, 910 = 864.375
In the first two stages, the first player is much stronger, the third stage is even, and in the fourth, both messed up, but the second one did slightly better. And he's the winner???

Yeah, this isn't good, it's clearly unfair. I simply can't allow this, I wouldn't be able to sleep after that.
We need to fix this urgently.
So, a new system will be devised in a short time :) (But one that also won't use a SUM, because a sum is evil).

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

P.S. Just answer this one question: in your opinion, who deserves the title of LEADER of the first stage? If Dirty_Player won 2 out of 4 tournaments, and Perpolken and vbn only won one each, even though Perpolken (if you take the sum, he would have a higher score)... I think I've shown with this example that a sum is EVIL.

Yeah, that's not good, it's clearly unfair. I simply can't allow that to happen; I wouldn't be able to sleep. We need to fix this urgently. So, we'll come up with another system in a short amount of time :) (But one that also won't use a TOTAL SCORE, because a total score is evil). Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR. P.S. Just answer this one question: in your opinion, who deserves the title of LEADER of the first stage? If Dirty_Player won 2 out of 4 tournaments, and Perpolken and vbn only won one each, even though Perpolken (if you take the total score) would have a higher score... I think I've shown with this example that a total score is EVIL.

Come up with something simpler, while remembering the brilliant phrase about the brilliance of simplicity;).

Hmm, interesting. What if I posted the log file on the forum? There's a discussion about this problem going on there. It would be interesting to hear the players' opinions.

This is great! I would like to compete with Dmitry AS again. (maybe even more than once ;) )

Hehe, the Lich also has a considerable reach.

I received consent from the respected K0Lb@zzeR to release the logs...
If anyone has the strength and reads until the end, please say something relevant to the issue.

And also, we generously ask you to excuse us for any grammatical errors, as the log is posted as-is, without edits.

Kyle (10:18:01 6/03/2008)
by the way, have you given up on your idea of determining the winner yet?

K0Lb@zzeR (10:19:08 6/03/2008)
the absolute leader ???

Kyle (10:19:43 6/03/2008)
uh-huh

K0Lb@zzeR (10:20:50 6/03/2008)
nope, I can't imagine... I can't think of anything... so that no one gets offended... neither those who arrived late nor those who started from the very beginning...

Kyle (10:21:23 6/03/2008)
I've told you how many times already, you just need to sum it up... then no one will be offended...

Kyle (10:21:46 6/03/2008)
and right now the system is truly flawed...

K0Lb@zzeR (10:23:35 6/03/2008)
why sum it up? what if you actually play same-as-god, but entered the race only at stage 6 for example... and until stage 5 you simply didn't know about it... that's a situation that could happen... live in the present but remember the future too

Kyle (10:25:28 6/03/2008)
fine, I don't want to argue with you right now, because I already answered this question before...
but I advise you to listen to advice... because not only am I saying the system is flawed... but a bunch of people on the forum are saying the same thing...

K0Lb@zzeR (11:01:42 6/03/2008)
that's it... my system is fucked... Fine. Situation: 1000, 1000, 1000, 850 = 862.5
and 850, 850, 850, 1000 = 871.875

Who deserves the victory more? The one who messed up for three stages and only played at level once, or the one who tore everyone apart for three stages and then slipped a bit on the last one?

Yes, even if we take the second option like this: 850, 850, 1000, 910 = 864.375
In the first two stages the first is much stronger, the third they are equal, and in the fourth both messed up, but the second one slightly less. And he's the winner???

Kyle (11:02:19 6/03/2008)
exactly what I was talking about... ;-)

K0Lb@zzeR (11:02:39 6/03/2008)
what to do ???

Kyle (11:02:51 6/03/2008)
I told you....

K0Lb@zzeR (11:02:53 6/03/2008)
my head isn't working at all today

Kyle (11:03:23 6/03/2008)
just sum it up... and you will have happiness...

K0Lb@zzeR (11:03:57 6/03/2008)
no, the sum is EVIL ...

Kyle (11:04:09 6/03/2008)
where? in what way?

Kyle (11:04:25 6/03/2008)
our entire rating is based on the sum... is that evil too?

K0Lb@zzeR (11:06:55 6/03/2008)
I'll be honest, yes... the sum is EVIL, because if you missed one (even for a valid reason), then it's all goodbye, everything earned through grueling work.

Kyle (11:08:59 6/03/2008)
it's not as bad as it seems... if there are many tournaments, then this problem simply doesn't exist, because missing one is insignificant...

Kyle (11:09:13 6/03/2008)
and you will have many tournaments...

K0Lb@zzeR (11:12:02 6/03/2008)
example from the first stage, VBN plays great but didn't participate in 1-3 and what now, he doesn't deserve the title of LEADER ???

K0Lb@zzeR (11:12:15 6/03/2008)
of the first stage

K0Lb@zzeR (11:12:43 6/03/2008)
maybe he had problems and didn't participate in 1-3

K0Lb@zzeR (11:13:02 6/03/2008)
where is the fairness of the sum... where ???

K0Lb@zzeR (11:14:36 6/03/2008)
now I've seen an unfair moment in my system, I'll think about how to fix it, luckily the winner hasn't been announced yet

K0Lb@zzeR (11:21:22 6/03/2008)
I've got it, you can just take the average value of points obtained in mini-tournaments

K0Lb@zzeR (11:22:28 6/03/2008)
but there's a flaw here too; how to fix it if a guy played once and scored many points, then he will always be first.

Kyle (11:22:58 6/03/2008)
don't mess around... the simpler the system, the better and more reliable it is...

K0Lb@zzeR (11:23:44 6/03/2008)
I'm not messing around... I'll accept any suggestions except for the sum

Kyle (11:30:30 6/03/2008)
I just can't understand, can't you see that such a system simply doesn't exist!!! It doesn't exist in nature...
i.e., for tournaments the following conditions must be met:
1- a certain number of participants
2- time limit for the tournament itself
3- equal value of each mini-tournament individually..

and that's it... you can't jump higher than your head... if even one of these conditions is not met, then the system will be flawed, no matter how much you struggle with it..
we already went through this several times when choosing the rating calculation...


Kyle (11:31:07 6/03/2008)
so just... sum and that's all...

K0Lb@zzeR (11:31:23 6/03/2008)
well, that's not fair ...

Kyle (11:31:25 6/03/2008)
the most fair system..

K0Lb@zzeR (11:32:18 6/03/2008)
I'll just worry a lot... if I act unfairly toward anyone

Kyle (11:33:20 6/03/2008)
I've said everything...

Kyle (11:33:30 6/03/2008)
I have nothing more to add...

Kyle (11:33:36 6/03/2008)
add*

K0Lb@zzeR (11:58:33 6/03/2008)
That's it, I've got it:
1. Calculate by average
2. Only those participants who played NO LESS THAN 50% of mini-tournaments in a certain stage enter the final table.
Everything is fair !!! You can even miss a tournament and not fear that you'll be out !!!

Kyle (11:59:14 6/03/2008)
flaw...

K0Lb@zzeR (11:59:22 6/03/2008)
where ???

Kyle (11:59:25 6/03/2008)
same eggs, different view...

Kyle (12:00:17 6/03/2008)
the one who played better in the last tournament is in much better conditions...

Kyle (12:00:39 6/03/2008)
and it doesn't matter that he played like a loser before...

Kyle (12:02:35 6/03/2008)
I tell you again, no need to reinvent the wheel.. it was invented 1000 years ago... ;-)

K0Lb@zzeR (12:02:58 6/03/2008)
by average, i.e., played two out of four tournaments (met condition 2), then scored accordingly 1000 and 900... result 950; if three tournaments, it was: 1000, 900, 800, the average will be 900

K0Lb@zzeR (12:03:26 6/03/2008)
and where is the unfairness

K0Lb@zzeR (12:03:34 6/03/2008)
I'll calculate that example now

K0Lb@zzeR (12:04:50 6/03/2008)
1000, 1000, 1000, 850 = 962.5
850, 850, 1000, 910 = 902.5

K0Lb@zzeR (12:05:26 6/03/2008)
everything is fair and no complications about how to calculate, i.e., everything is simple as a wheel :)

K0Lb@zzeR (12:06:26 6/03/2008)
well, what do you say now ???

K0Lb@zzeR (12:07:28 6/03/2008)
And playing 50% of tournaments isn't that stressful, i.e., 2 out of 4, 3 out of 5, 3 out of 6 etc.

Kyle (12:07:49 6/03/2008)
and the unfairness is that player number two suffered... played a 3rd tournament... and because of this they take and kill him by rating...
that won't work...
to make it more or less fair, introduce the right to choose which results are submitted to the final table...
i.e., player two submits only two results: 1000 and 900.. and doesn't submit 800, and what do we see? correctly, his rating became much higher...

Kyle (12:09:50 6/03/2008)
this idea was also discussed by us, by the way... but it didn't work... because active players are discriminated against...

K0Lb@zzeR (12:10:28 6/03/2008)
no, he didn't suffer in 1-3, he just messed up himself and played poorly (clear example, look at kamikaze, he played so disgustingly in 1-3 it was simply a shame, he could have played much better and he knows it himself.

Kyle (12:11:54 6/03/2008)
whatever... you are killing the motivation to play... this is fundamentally wrong...
there should be only one motivation.. to play.. victory is not important, but participation.. and participation in a tournament should not cause harm to the player; according to your system, that's exactly what happens..

Kyle (12:12:30 6/03/2008)
hm.. it came out jumbled.. but I hope you understood me..

K0Lb@zzeR (12:13:21 6/03/2008)
my motivation is: to play and not just play, but with each time better and better, only this way can a result be achieved

K0Lb@zzeR (12:13:37 6/03/2008)
is such motivation bad... or what ???

Kyle (12:13:44 6/03/2008)
YES!

K0Lb@zzeR (12:13:52 6/03/2008)
why ???

K0Lb@zzeR (12:14:46 6/03/2008)
what's bad about encouraging playing better, rather than for some virtual result

K0Lb@zzeR (12:15:29 6/03/2008)
the result should be in the improvement of your skill level... why even play then if you're just blindly chasing horses around a map

K0Lb@zzeR (12:15:37 6/03/2008)
I simply cannot understand this

K0Lb@zzeR (12:15:52 6/03/2008)
just killing time ...

Kyle (12:16:09 6/03/2008)
because you are killing the motivation to play... because if you played poorly, then take a punch in the face...
but if we do it differently:
played well - get a candy..
played poorly - well, you don't get a candy... but try next time.. nothing stops you..

but according to your system - it's a choice between a candy and a sledgehammer blow to the head... what do you think the player will choose? I think he will choose - not participating in this tournament..

K0Lb@zzeR (12:16:09 6/03/2008)
then go do something else.. instead of just killing time

Kyle (12:17:32 6/03/2008)
and our task is the promotion of this game to the masses, and if a player gets punched in the face while playing? then he simply won't play..

K0Lb@zzeR (12:19:48 6/03/2008)
be offended or not, but I would feel sorry with such motivation for having lost so much time without any results, everyone just played and got no results... then why did I kill my time, for whom, for what ...

Kyle (12:20:30 6/03/2008)
fine, do as you wish.. I only expressed my opinion to you...

K0Lb@zzeR (12:21:58 6/03/2008)
do you think why Dirt has such good results? because the person really improves his results with each tournament, and thereby increases my satisfaction that I'm not running this tournament for nothing.

Kyle (12:21:59 6/03/2008)
but keep in mind, what I just told you, they will tell you again on the forum...
maybe in different words, but the meaning will be the same...

K0Lb@zzeR (12:23:21 6/03/2008)
there is one good saying: "If you don't want to shit, don't torture your ass" :)

K0Lb@zzeR (12:26:13 6/03/2008)
only even in this system there is a flaw that also needs fixing, because you can't compare results of for example 1-2 and 1-3, i.e., 1000 points in 1-2 are not comparable to 1000 points in 1-3; the maps are different, meaning they aren't equivalent, which means the results cannot be equated

K0Lb@zzeR (12:27:56 6/03/2008)
O_o I've got it, I will give points for places, and then calculate the average of those points.

Kyle (12:29:16 6/03/2008)
you can.. but again you should take not the average, but the sum, for 50% of stages.. most fair system..

K0Lb@zzeR (12:30:15 6/03/2008)
no there will be no sum... the sum is evil... even if you scratch my head with a stake :) you won't convince me otherwise :)

Kyle (12:30:57 6/03/2008)
there.. that's the main thing: "even if you scratch my head with a stake" - you simply don't want to hear your interlocutor.. that's your trouble..

K0Lb@zzeR (12:31:56 6/03/2008)
no, you misunderstood... the sum is evil... an alternative is needed... and I am searching for it

K0Lb@zzeR (12:32:56 6/03/2008)
well, you yourself understand that Sum is not good ???

Kyle (12:33:48 6/03/2008)
fine.. let it be the average, but everyone will have an equal number of stages, i.e., 2 out of 4, 3 out of 5, 3 out of 6 etc. and it doesn't matter if a player played them all... he chooses and gives those places that he likes.. thereby opening up room for various combinations..

K0Lb@zzeR (12:40:00 6/03/2008)
what do you mean equal number of stages, why ??? If you missed one, I neither punish nor encourage this, because by missing it you yourself lose the chance to fill your piggy bank...

K0Lb@zzeR (12:45:32 6/03/2008)
Just answer this one question: who do you think deserves the title of LEADER of the first stage ??? If Dirty_Player won 2 tournaments out of 4, and Perpolken and vbn only one each, although for Perpolken (if taking the sum he would have more)... I think I've shown with this example that the sum is EVIL.

Kyle (12:55:37 6/03/2008)
I would give first place to perpolken, because he played this tournament much more consistently and therefore more professionally...

Kyle (12:57:55 6/03/2008)
by the way, there's a flaw in your new system too..
for example
tournament of 4 stages:
player A: 1) 1st place; 2) 1st place; 3) skip; 4) skip;
player B: 1) skip; 2) skip; 3) 1st place; 4) 1st place;
who is the winner?

K0Lb@zzeR (12:59:43 6/03/2008)
no one ... :) I'll keep the prize for myself :)

Kyle (12:59:55 6/03/2008)
:-D

K0Lb@zzeR (13:00:02 6/03/2008)
a draw, that is :)

K0Lb@zzeR (13:04:42 6/03/2008)
how so "I would give first place to perpolken, because he played this tournament much more consistently and therefore more professionally..." and you call this fairness... Dirt rose from 6th place and improved his result with every tournament, and now he's thrown overboard for that ...

K0Lb@zzeR (13:05:43 6/03/2008)
and in 1-3 he just beat everyone into the dirt...

Kyle (13:06:06 6/03/2008)
no one is throwing him overboard, but specifically in THIS tournament - he played worse.. perhaps in the next ones he'll get his due.. but specifically in THIS tournament - he is in second place.

K0Lb@zzeR (13:07:31 6/03/2008)
beating Perp by only 1 day... you probably understand what a gap of 1 day is... when there are only 5 total... and that shows nothing, but instead it shows Perp's professionalism ??? is that how it is ...

Kyle (13:09:25 6/03/2008)
just without emotions... and personal preferences.. for - this is an indicator of non-subjectivity..
If the prize were given only for 1-3 - then yes, dirty is the best of all, but since the prize is given for the whole tournament as a whole, then perp is in first place...

At each stage of the tournament, consider 60-75% of the player's best results.
For 4 stages, the sum of 3 results is counted; for 7 stages, the 5 best results are counted, and so on.
The same applies to the entire tournament. If it is a 7-stage tournament, then the winner is determined by the sum of 4 or 5 of their best mini-tournaments.
In this version, skipping a map or even a stage (mini-tournament) is not a problem, and a "one-hit wonder" will not win a prize; they will have to work for it.

Discarding 50% of the results is simply excessive. What's the point of having multiple stages and the organizer putting in so much effort? It's easier to run just one tournament and not overexert oneself. It would be acceptable to discard one or two results, depending on the number of stages, but in any case, keeping less than 75% of the results undermines the very essence of a multi-stage tournament. And determining the winner based on their overall ranking seems like the simplest and fairest approach. However, there's an opinion that the difference in results (days) won't be taken into account. But in that case, it's necessary to choose one or consider both of these aspects.