Posts from Thoughts about the Antichrist. Auto-translated

Neo, my friend)). You know what I'll tell you? You've made me angry... Oh, I haven't been this angry in a long time! Does it bother you what nationality I am? I think it shouldn't bother you, because you're nothing to me. But alright, I'll tell you – I'm 3/4 Ukrainian, and the rest is Russian and Jewish. Yes, you're right, I have that blood in me. And so what that I was baptized? Do you think I asked to be baptized? Even my parents didn't want me to be baptized, but my grandmother took me to church. So the fact that I'm baptized doesn't matter to me. Actually, this forum isn't yours or ours, it's a General one, and you shouldn't tell me where to go and where not to. Besides, if you only listen to your own opinion, then you shouldn't judge other people based on that, people who might be genuinely interested in the opinions of atheists. But I think the ones who aren't needed here are religious fanatics. I'll repeat it to you one more time: watch your words! So, you're saying that witches were all offspring of the devil, and the inquisitors' bonfires never missed their target? They only burned those who deserved it? Hmm... In your opinion, witches surpassed Mengele? Right now... He also killed infants and pregnant women, only on a much larger scale. And half of the stories about terrible and horrible witches are just children's scary tales that you believed. What's so bad about the baptism of Rus'? But the fact that they forced them to do it, and didn't ask if they wanted to change their faith, is that normal? From your point of view, probably yes. What if a squad from the FSB came to you and said: get into the trash can, change your faith and become a Satanist, or you'll die? I'm sure you would choose a noble and heroic death:D But not everyone is as noble as you, there are also more reasonable people. Those are the ones who were forced to be baptized, is that normal? Regarding the Battle of Kulikovo – yes, faith helped, but mainly the reserve regiment helped, and also the knowledge that there was nowhere to retreat. Besides, any faith helps, not necessarily Christianity. And please, no more about a state of atheists, it's sickening – if you don't understand something, then don't argue about it, I won't argue with you about what's written in the Bible. And don't slander Yeltsin. I'd like to see how you would manage the country if a barrel of oil cost less than 10 times cheaper than it does now. You're so smart... And no need to talk about Stalin and Lenin, it's not like all atheists praise their murders. And no one here said that Christianity is pure evil, don't distort things. There's good and bad in everything, and you need to be able to see that.

interesting topic... aka "serious conversation number two"...
well... I'll try to make my modest contribution...
Neo, you need to be less emotional, stop using insults, and be less fanatical. Be more factual.
Exz, don't shout, don't get on your own nerves. You're not entirely right either...
so...

Neo, a question for you... how did you come to Christianity? 80% of you were baptized. in childhood. maybe you said it, but I might have missed it in a lot of text... so. it was at the initiative of your parents. your consent wasn't asked. now tell me, Neo, do you pray every day? do you observe Great Lent? do you read and reread the pages of the Bible? do you wear a cross? do you go to church?
your judgments... lack specifics (I've used this word three times today). take your example...

a military regiment went to war, and before that, they made the sign of the cross and prayed. Everyone returned from the battle alive (this is not just an anecdote).

this... hmm. a bad example. everyone made the sign of the cross before the war, but not everyone returned. do you have an explanation for this? maybe they were sinners in life?
okay.
witches. "who ate 40 babies each." this is pure nonsense. along with Baba Yaga, Baba Yaga, Domovoi, and Barabashki. these are just scary stories. do you believe that if you don't sleep, Baba Yaga will come for you and eat you? I don't think so.
"woman is evil." well, you know... people are different. who is more evil - Stalin, or an ice cream vendor? exactly. the only "root of evil (association, hehe)" is lust. the root of sin, vice, and depravity. it doesn't matter which way you look at it. as you know, there are also incubi in mythology, in addition to succubi. and do you look down on women in life, based on this statement? I understand, of course, female logic, blondes, etc.:), but seriously... it shouldn't be like that. it's just disrespect for a person.
"atheists are bastards"... you know, Neo, I'm barely holding myself back from giving you a downvote. moreover, I gave you a plus to encourage you to correct yourself. but I'm telling you. what right do you have to call atheists that? you shout "don't interfere in a faith where you don't belong," but you yourself are criticizing the faith of atheists (which states that there is no God)). you can't do that. never do that again, got it? you could end up in a bad situation. I'm not threatening you, God forbid, I'm warning you. you can't throw words to the wind. you can say anything on a forum, but in reality...
you have to respect atheists. understand? Christianity does not encourage squabbles and insults, swearing and bickering, hatred and scandals. an atheist, Neo, is not a synonym for the word "heretic."
Exz...
Christianity is not evil. it's just a religion. religion is invented for... hmm... people with weak minds. people always need someone to protect them. at least in their minds. they need someone they can pour out their souls to, someone who will fully understand them, because even to your best friend, you can't fully open your soul. but you can to God. he won't laugh, etc., he will help you instead. these are the beliefs. many people feel better after praying, as if a weight is lifted from their soul.
I respect the church as a very effective system for controlling the minds of citizens. yes, citizens receive bonuses, what kind - I said above. but the church is not at a loss either. the church has almost always had maximum power in the world. in many European countries in the Middle Ages, a ruler could only go to war if the church gave its approval. because it has too much power.
and you know what's the funniest thing? the church will always exist. absolutely always. people will never look at the world without the prism of covenants or services.
never.
and atheists will always be there, and heretics.
I believe in the Holy God-Emperor, every day I catch and send at least a dozen selected heretics to our inquisitorial torture chambers. before their death, their faith becomes simply unshakable. I'm not even talking about all sorts of repents. throughout their agonizing remaining life, they hear litanies, catechisms, hymns, and chants in their minds, and before their eyes, a vision of the golden face of His Holiness passes. every day, hundreds of psykers are brought to the God-Emperor, who is dying on his Golden Throne, as a sacrifice. this strengthens the mental power of the God-Emperor and feeds the Astronomican, the beacon that guides ships through the Immaterium, the Warp. only his mental power allows people to fight Chaos, the center of evil and hatred, and more or less protect the Imperium of Man from the attacks of numerous xenos, heretics, and mutants, demons, and psykers affected by Chaos.
and what? that's my faith. you don't believe? then come here, I'll burn you at the stake. in the name of the God-Emperor.

Neo.
Regarding P.S. I wasn't baptized. I'm not baptized at all, and I don't plan to undergo this ritual.
Personally, I'm not an atheist, but I don't adhere to Christian beliefs.
No one is saying that CHRISTIANITY is BAD, so there's no need to prove that it's good.
I believe that nationality shouldn't obligate one to a religion, but it seems you have a deeply ingrained belief in that. Everyone should have a choice (and don't tell me about "The Master and Margarita" and the like. A person can guide their soul along different paths).
Remember Padishah Akbar from India. I think he's right, much more so than you are. Paradise, Nirvana, and the like are the peak of the mountain, and there are many paths to reach that peak.
There's no need to judge a person by their religion. From your words, a person who is an atheist is nothing but evil and a moral monster.
Did Christ teach to forcibly impose the Christian faith? And were all the killings committed by Christian missionaries done for the greater good?

No, I don't know why...:rolleyes:

Well, now you know.

And what do atheists have to do with it? Are you implying that all atheists are like that?[/QUOTE1]


But atheists are diligently claiming here that all Christians are like that; read my long post carefully!

It wasn't my choice;)


Well, it's understandable that it wasn't your choice, but since your parents are religious, maybe you should have followed their example instead of shaming them. I understand that if they weren't religious at all, there would be no question.


Listen, what's it to you? If people want to discuss it, let them. Why are you starting a flame war?[/QUOTE]

No, let them. The idea of the Antichrist belongs to the Bible, and then to believers, not to all sorts of atheist softies who don't really know anything about him, but only guess and speculate, and sometimes even insult the Antichrist and the religion, and think that they can just get away with it!

Well, it's clear that it's not your thing, but since your parents are religious, maybe you should have followed their example instead of shaming them. I understand if they weren't religious at all, then it would be a different story.

First of all, whether my parents are religious or not is none of your business. And secondly, it's not your place to shame me; you should watch yourself. Don't judge, and you won't be judged (quote); isn't that right?;)

No, let it be. The idea of the Antichrist belongs to the Bible, and then to believers, not to all sorts of atheist weaklings who don't really know anything about him, but only guess and speculate, and sometimes even insult the Antichrist and religion in advance, and think that they can just get away with it!

I have read the Bible => I have every right to discuss it. And you don't know more about God than I do, or who do you think you are?? I would also like to note that NO ONE here has insulted anyone... except for some of the forum members.

and not to all sorts of atheist weaklings

And in real life, you would already get punched in the face for that:)

Nazgul, you can continue to express your grievances through your posts. As for the Bible, I am quite certain that you probably don't know more about it than I do, judging by your reasoning.

Nazgul, you can continue to take revenge with your posts.

No, I don't want to take revenge on anyone.)))

I'm completely sure that you probably know less than I do, judging by your reasoning.

Maybe you can explain to me, a cursed pagan, what I'm wrong about?))
By the way, Neo, you still haven't answered Loken's questions. :)

It seems to me that you are straying from the topic. And the discussion about the Antichrist is slowly turning into insults and arguments about faith...

As Leopold the Cat used to say: "Let's all live together in peace and harmony." =)

Why is this pointless questioning necessary? Do I really need to explain everything to you all? I think I’ve made myself clear. I know just as much as you do, if not more. Regarding the Bible, yes, I’ve read both the Old and New Testaments. As for the question about the cross, almost everyone wears one – it’s a silly question. Prayers – well, shouldn’t that be obvious? Regarding church, yes, I attend – another silly question directed at me. As for Lent, of course I observe it; it’s a completely obvious question. After all, I already eat only once a day, and it’s even easier during Lent than for others.

Please stop humiliating me with these silly questions (can’t you figure it out yourselves?), or I’ll have to issue a warning!!! This isn’t a threat; it’s a warning!

Now I understand why Ar wants to become a moderator... People, there's no need to be so fanatical! Catch is right – Christianity was created to destroy the Roman Empire... But what about the fact that Christianity united its remnants and prolonged the agony of the dying state? Neo isn't any better – women eating babies on an industrial scale... There were, of course, some idiots, but to claim that all those who perished in the dungeons of the Inquisition were witches is just idiocy! You are both being ruined by excessive fanaticism and unwillingness to even CONSIDER that you might be wrong. It's pointless to continue the argument; I won't answer you, so don't even bother. P.S. I understand that I'll get a negative reaction from both Neo and Catch, but I've expressed my opinion, and the rest doesn't bother me much.

What Neo wrote doesn't even deserve to be commented on. It's not only nonsense, but also distorts facts. For example, the claim that Batu Khan was at the Battle of Kulikovo...
Just so you know, I'm not a baptized person. And what does God and the Christian God have to do with it? I believe in God, but not in Christ, not in Allah, not in Quetzalcoatl, not in Zeus, or anyone else.
And there's no need to refer to the Master or the Bible if you don't understand these books. What does the Bible say about the Antichrist? It doesn't say that he's some kind of son of Satan or something like that. I quote:

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh; this is a deceiver and an antichrist

In essence, every person who doesn't confess Christ is an antichrist. And the Antichrist as the son of Satan appears much later, when Christian dogmatists, interpreting the Bible in their own way, begin to identify him with the beast from Revelation.

Now I understand why Ar wants to become a moderator... People, don't be so fanatical! Catch is right - Christianity was created to destroy the Roman Empire... But what about the fact that Christianity united its remnants and prolonged the agony of the dying state?

Very insightful. Please consider the time difference. During the emergence of Christianity, the Roman Empire was at its peak. Christianity eroded it from within, the empire weakened, it began to be overcome by barbarians, and then the empire was forced to embrace Christianity in order to also weaken and subjugate the barbarians with its help. And they succeeded. The barbarians destroyed Rome, but they adopted Christianity and still submit to Rome ;) in the person of the Pope. Later, Byzantium did the same, effectively subjugating Rus', although it was weaker than it.

You are both ruined by excessive fanaticism and unwillingness to even CONSIDER that you might be wrong. It's pointless to continue the argument; I won't answer you, so don't even write.

What is my fanaticism? :) In the fact that I express my opinion? :) Believe me, I have practically the same attitude towards all religions, and that's why, unlike fanatical individuals, I can look at things from different perspectives. The fact that I criticize Christians is because I'm opposing these fanatics; I just really dislike stupid, stubborn, brainless fanaticism. I've encountered such people in my life. And I believe that I have the right to oppose them, as I have a pretty good understanding of religious issues, at least unlike those same fanatics, I have read the Bible ;)

P.S. I understand that I will get a negative reaction from both Neo and Catch, but I have expressed my opinion, and the rest doesn't matter much to me.

You won't get it ;) I don't like taking anything away from people, even ephemeral morale :)

Lock, I'm not yelling; I'm just upset about the issue of my origins. I mean, if someone asked me about who I associate with or someone who showed me how to be a pleasant conversationalist, that would be understandable, but why does it matter to him? He's even going to judge what I'm like, and that's what bothers me. However, I was calm for the rest of the post.
Furthermore, I didn't say that Christianity is bad, notice. Find those words in my posts, and I'll edit them and even apologize to Neo. But I didn't say that, and I respect any faith, as long as it's not completely idiotic. I don't consider Christianity to be such, just as I don't consider Islam to be. Again, just like any religion.
By the way, the word "heretic" generally means "one who does not revere the religion that we revere":) Well, I'm just using that figuratively, so as not to give an example.
It's not necessarily true that believers are weak-spirited; it's either because a person has been taught this since childhood, or because something not so simple has influenced the person, which they consider to be divine intervention, or because of a weak spirit. In general, a person needs to believe in something, not necessarily in God. They need to... And you can invent a religion yourself.
Neo, everything is clear in your post, but maybe you should reread mine and Catcha's? Where does it say that all Christians are bad? It says that they are not all innocent lambs.
The idea of the Antichrist may belong to the Bible, although there are similar concepts in almost every religion. As far as I know, Christianity should spread, even to such a soulless creature as me, and enlighten me and guide me to the right path. So, maybe I can discuss what they are offering me? Or do you want Christianity to be a closed circle of people (even if it's a large one), not saying anything about atheists, etc., and they, in turn, don't say anything about Christians? Hmm! That could lead to a mess. I won't turn this into a conflict. However, under different circumstances, it would be a different conversation. And what if my discussion doesn't go well? What will happen? A reprimand? Well, the fact that you said my questions were stupid and insignificant really got to me; everything is stupid and insignificant here, only you are good. I'll say right away that all the questions in this post were rhetorical and don't require an answer; I don't want to hear this anymore. I'm not arguing that you're right about something, but there's so little of it that I don't even want to try to understand from that stream of nonsense what you wrote in this topic, what exactly it is.
Silverfale, +1. I agree. To be honest, I only see fanaticism on one side. I'll repeat once again - I'm ready to admit that I'm wrong, but only if someone points it out to me in a normal tone and with arguments. That hasn't happened yet.
P.S. Fanatics are a terrible bunch))) You can't even have a beer with them)) They'll probably stab you out of fanaticism:D

Neo, if you give feedback to the team, the team will tolerate it :) but if the team gives you feedback on everything, you'll get banned:)
nothing personal :) but isn't that how it is?
hmm... by the way, fanatics don't drink beer, they are very dangerous for society. They can do anything for their gods, that's basically the goal of their lives. It's better not to mess with them.
hm. I advise those who like and dislike heretics to read this:
http://www.teffy.ru/additional/mif/jeretik.phtml
a completely killer, mind-blowing article, from which I understood very little.
I believe that a person doesn't have to believe in anything to be complete, it's their business...
well... they can believe in honor and justice.

Loken, well, if he doesn't believe in anything at all, then he won't have any aspirations. I'll repeat, it doesn't necessarily have to be a God. It could be even an old, stinky sock that, in your opinion, brings good luck))) Sorry for such an example, nothing smarter came to mind))))

Guys!!! What I really don't need is insults and swearing in my thread! Let's be calm and reasonable, shall we? Yes, of course, all clergymen say that women came from the Devil, and men are closer to God, but that's because it was a woman who was curious and picked the apple, not a man! ;) I think that if a man had done it, they would have said that men are inherently bad. In general, it's somehow degrading and offensive for us, for the representatives of the fair sex, to hear that we are worse than men. Yes, there is a parable about how, in order for a woman to be equal to a man, the Devil endowed her with cunning, while the first man asked God for physical strength to deal with a woman. I think that if that's the case, then the Devil acted justly))). Well, that's just a lyrical digression. Neo, you still have a lot to learn in this life!))) Often, what is described in books and what those around you try to convince you of is not at all what it really is!)) Yes, there are absurd things in the list of sins, such as "not paying tithes to the church," etc. But frankly, after confession, you feel better))) The main thing is to find a good priest! Otherwise, in most churches, they will take your money, won't even listen to your sins, and will tell you, "Get out!" And one more thing! Let's stick to the topic! I'll write a report soon!)