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I just popped in to relax and have some tea, and this is just a comedy show! It's like KVN!
In general, you guys really cheered me up.
Dirty_Player;144946
Yeah, it's just an artifact... but we don't need that. And what you're writing isn't interesting to me at all, because you're a mega-noob, and I'm sure you play Heroes like a complete idiot!
Instead of cluttering the forum with all sorts of stupid polls like "How do you see your ideal army?", you should have played in the Best of the Best 2007 tournament, which you signed up for just to show off, saying, "Here I am, look at me!" But why did you sign up for it? You probably just got crushed by the computers there and couldn't send anything! Do something useful for once, show some results in at least one tournament, so everyone understands WHO YOU ARE, because your words (and those of people like you) are just like something written on a fence!
P.S.: Trying to explain something to people like you and Sveta is like talking to a brick wall!
P.P.S.: And learn Russian already!
What a tirade! I read it three times, and I really liked it. ))))):smile54:
By the way, someone here wrote about a population of 20 Cyclops growing to 50 in a month. Well, they're more like rabbits than Cyclops!)))))))
The population increases by 10 percent per week.
In general, you guys really made me laugh. You've all lifted my spirits.)))))))))))))))))
Did you say something wrong? OF COURSE! You said utter nonsense! You clearly haven't played with diplomacy at all. It's even funnier to hear that after you claim to have been playing since the game's release. HOW can you, after 10 years of playing, say that monsters guarding something NEVER join a hero with expert diplomacy! Create a map, test it, and agree with me. It's better than consistently making a fool of yourself!
p/s. It was posted twice due to a forum glitch.
Hey! Who's the fool here?! You create a map and test it yourself! And before you try to prove something to someone, make sure you know what you're proving. Watch what you say!
For the particularly gifted, here's a screenshot! That's it! The conversation about diplomacy is over!
And now I have to admit that my previous statement was wrong! :( I said I would defeat the opponent within a month... I played 3 times and got the following results:
Unfortunately, I can't seem to manage to finish an XL map within a month, no matter how hard I try. The only way I could do it would be if I had a town portal... Anyway, I admit it - I was wrong.
GagaBings
18 years ago
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Dude, are you creating all the maps manually? I personally use a generator that does it automatically. There are practically no BLOODTHIRSTY monsters there.
So stop giving me your rotten, made-up examples. I'm telling you how things actually are in random maps. And you can fantasize about whatever you want after that.
TMNT
18 years ago
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Aaaaa! You're definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed! I brought this up as an example because I was asking "where do so many monsters (dragons) come from?" and I was told that they might be guarding something important. And even on a random map generator, like in the Fortress or the Book of Earth, it's rare for a harmless creature willing to give away an artifact for free to be guarding it, and even join your party! Listen, stop talking about this nonsense! We've forgotten. Okay?
Aaaah! You're definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed! I brought this up as an example because I asked, "Where do so many monsters (dragons) come from?" and was told that they might be guarding something important. And even on a random map generator, a Guardian Shield or the Book of Earth will rarely be guarded by a harmless monster that's willing to give up the artifact for free and even join your army! Listen, let's stop talking about this nonsense! We've forgotten about it. Okay?
Diplomacy is a tricky thing to understand, even the physics engine doesn't fully explain it. 1. There have been cases where monsters that I manually set to "Bloodthirsty" in the editor joined my army for gold when I had a high Diplomacy skill. Or even for free. 2. There's a fan-made campaign called "King of the Elves" somewhere on this forum. It's not very good on its own, but in the last mission, near the castle, all the tiles are covered with 20 monsters of level 7, all of which seem to be Bloodthirsty. And you come out with a single Green Dragon and the hero's starting creature, but with high Diplomacy. You activate Vision, and you see: these will attack, and these will too... Bam! 20 Ghost Dragons join your army for free! To an already existing army! I don't know, really. But in random maps, all monsters are "hostile" by default, and the probability of joining is -20% (according to the physics engine). They don't join very willingly.
Diplomacy – it’s hard to figure out, even in the Physics Department, it’s not fully covered.
Come on..., this is actually discussed in detail in the Physics Department. brovach;146278
You turn on Vision, you look: these will attack, these too... Bam! 20 Spectral Dragons join for free.
Not all monsters have the setting: "never join" ;)
Added 8 minutes later to monarh, GagaBings, and TMNT:
I am forced to issue a verbal warning for now! Advice: correct all the obscene language addressed to anyone in your messages and finally start at least talking, instead of creating the impression of a conversation with swearing and insults. It doesn't matter who started... Otherwise, you are violating the rules of heroesworld, which in itself is punishable by a private message..., which is also at least very unsightly.
Sincerely.
TMNT
18 years ago
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Ok. I agree. No problem. Let's all get along! :) :smile20: :smile42:
Come on..., this is actually discussed in detail in the FizMig. Not all monsters have the "never join" attribute ;) .
I mean, even Amber couldn't find a correlation between the hero's stats and the loyalty of monsters. I think the fact that the starting hero is leveled up in the last mission played a role. Regarding the attributes - did you really check all the monsters in the editor???:eek:
- In crucial battles, I always fight with "Ludmila" because I like her and consider her the strongest castle (well, probably because I play better with her than with the others). I prefer random maps that are at least XL in size and have strong monsters on the map – this leads to a real strategy, not just mindless clashes like on medium-sized maps and smaller. (Although, medium-sized maps can also be quite interesting).
- I don't know what kind of "polemics" people prefer, but it's strange to hear the word "cheat" in relation to diplomacy from serious players. I've been caught out and I've caught others out with overwhelming armies on Armageddon and Implosion, or I've simply maxed out diplomacy in response. (And there are a couple of other less impressive strategies as well).
- Even a well-developed Crag Hack with a slight artifact advantage can defeat an army that is two or three times larger. (And, as you know, you can only diplomatically influence those who were already planning to retreat, so in two or three months of playing on an XL map, it's impossible to recruit an army that is three times larger without encountering some kind of countermeasure – unless you're playing against an idiot who sits in his castle for five months and drinks tea). Everything works well in combination, and there is no absolute superiority. The aforementioned "stitching" of liches does have a positive effect, but it won't play a decisive role either (accordingly, I could only collect an artifact in about a month and a half, and by the time the decisive phase arrived, I could "stitch" about 50 more liches, adding 150-200 to my existing army – a couple of Armageddons and Implosions, or the aforementioned 50 gold dragons and 50 cyclops, will overwhelm the enemy in the first month). A bit unclear – sorry
I mean that even Amber couldn't find a correlation between the hero's stats and the loyalty of monsters. I think the fact that the starting hero is leveled up in the last mission played a role. Regarding the points – did you really check all the monsters in the editor???:eek:
No, I didn't check the monsters in the editor! Just read what I wrote above. I don't want to write it 10 times.
I wasn't checking the monsters in the editor! Just read what I wrote above. I don't want to write it 10 times.
This wasn't directed at you, =). This was written by Ley:Leyl
Not all monsters have the "never join" option.
That's why I was wondering what he meant: whether it was about a specific mission in the campaign or something else.
pavleague
18 years ago
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When I started playing Heroes, my favorite faction was Inferno; I really liked their gates of hell (or whatever they're called). I'll put all the castles in the scenario as Inferno and go for it :-). Now, my opinion of Inferno hasn't changed (it's a cool faction), but I rarely play as them. I prefer elves, sometimes humans, and occasionally necromancers; Dungeon and Conflux are for special occasions :-). I never play as Swamp or Barbarians; I don't like them.
Besides, since I like campaigns, I've played as Barbarians a lot in The Shadow of Death :-)
Anyway, to get to the point of the topic, I play as Life (Elves or Humans).
M@KC
18 years ago
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Personally, I prefer playing as Inferno!:smile54: In my opinion, it has the coolest creatures and is just a great faction overall.:smile24: :smile51: :smile49:
Ujeen
18 years ago
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Hello everyone! I'm new here, and this is my first post, but please allow me to share my thoughts.
I think it's much more important to choose your favorite HERO, and then appreciate their Castle.
