[HMM V TOURNAMENT ON] Duel Club — Tournament History online

Alex_R

18 years ago

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Could you please clarify the tournament rules?
1. How many games will there be, against whom, and in what order?
2. What are the tournament dates (for each stage)?
P.S. Question for the pros... "How does the battlefield affect the game?" :smile26:

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Light God

18 years ago

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Alex_R;143645

Could you clarify the rules?
1. How many games, against whom, and in what order...
2. Tournament schedule (stages)
P.S. Question for the pros... "What does the battlefield affect?" :smile26:

Each player plays one game against every other player in their group.
The first stage of the tournament should be completed this week.

Chudo_udo aka Saint_Lider

18 years ago

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Hello, Root of Good. From the very beginning of our communication, you seemed like an intelligent person, but as it turns out, your tournament wasn't fully thought out, and I have to give you a negative rating for your organizational skills. The rules are not well-considered, especially regarding the number of games with each opponent in the group – one game is absurd, especially given that the player creating the game chooses their hero second, which practically reduces their chances of winning by 98%. Therefore, it follows that if a player creates the game first throughout the tournament, they will automatically be the winner. I believe this observation is not just mine but a general one. I suggest you change the tournament rules and avoid making such mistakes in the future. Otherwise, if no measures are taken, I ask you to remove me from this event. In my opinion, this can't be called a tournament.

Kitsune

18 years ago

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Please explain the following:
1. Forbidden heroes (see post #1). Who are they? Or how are they defined?
2. Armageddon. Can it be used? For example, not at the end of the battle, but in the middle, at the beginning, at the first opportunity?

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Light God

18 years ago

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Kitsune;143909

Please explain the following:
1. Forbidden heroes (see post #1). Who are they? Or how are they determined?
2. Armageddon. Can it be used? For example, not at the end of the battle, but in the middle, at the beginning, at the first opportunity?

1. You ban 10 heroes for your opponent, and they ban 10 for you. You choose a hero from the remaining ones.
2. Armageddon is allowed.

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SteN

18 years ago

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Alex_R;143645

P.S. A question for the pros... "What does the battlefield affect?" :smile26:

I'm certainly not a pro and don't claim to be (so the information may not be entirely accurate, as I'm not quoting the source), but as far as I remember, all the "good" races (Haven, Sylvan, Academy) receive a slight random initiative advantage on the attack turn scale (0-0.25) over the "evil" races (Necropolis, Inferno, Dungeon) during the initial setup, if the battle takes place on "good" terrain, and vice versa - the "evil" races may gain an advantage over the "good" races if the battle is to take place on "bad" terrain (like a lava field, dungeon, etc.).

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Neo122007

18 years ago

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SteN;143947

I'm certainly not a pro and don't claim to be (so the information may not be entirely accurate, as I'm not quoting the source), but as far as I remember, all "good" races (humans, elves, academy) receive a small random initiative bonus (0-0.25) on the initiative scale during initial deployment compared to "evil" races (Necropolis, Inferno, Fortress), if the battle takes place on "good" terrain, and vice versa – "evil" races may gain an advantage over "good" races if the battle is on "bad" terrain (like a lava field, dungeon, etc.).

By the way, you're right about that, and as an amateur-pro, I'll add that the arena, whether it's good or bad, can affect not only initiative but also luck, morale, magic resistance (if the hero has any at all), the "Dispel" spell, and a small amount of defense for creatures when using the "Defend" command, but not for the hero. Luck, morale, and magic resistance are more likely to appear on some maps than on others, both for better and for worse. Also, "Dispel" may work on one map but not on another. I've tested this myself!

Starhan

18 years ago

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Well, I'll add one more simple thing: on their own territory, creatures move further. By the way, it would be good to write in the rules about the mandatory neutral territory (that is, either neither ours nor yours, or both ours and yours).

Аделаида

18 years ago

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Yesterday, we tried to play with Neo, but we couldn't because the rules don't clearly state how a player's color is determined. I'm not used to acting on my own judgment in tournaments. Therefore, I ask the organizer to clearly define this point. I agree with the leader about having only one duel. Everyone plays 4 matches in all tournaments because it has been proven through experience that this is the most objective option. However, making such significant changes to the rules in the middle of a tournament is a clear sign of unprofessionalism in the organization (although, what professionalism can we even talk about here?). Most importantly, it's inhumane to the players who have already played matches in this tournament according to the original rules, as this is the organizer's mistake, and the tournament participants should not suffer in any way. There was a very strong desire to close this tournament altogether because, even though it's a fan tournament, it should meet the minimum requirements for presentation: it should have clear rules and regulations, all in one initial post, and not scattered in fragments throughout the topic. But since the tournament has already started, and some duels have been played, I will not close it. However, I insist that the organizer of this tournament has done everything possible (edited the rules and regulations) to ensure that this tournament runs as comfortably as possible for the players. If any subsequent fan tournament does not meet the proper presentation standards, I will close it without warning or excessive leniency. I hope for your understanding, but everything is being done for the benefit of the forum and the participants in our tournaments.

Starhan

18 years ago

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Well, Adelaide got a bit ahead of me.

But as an organizer, you continue to surprise me.

1. "Don't change horses midstream":), if you've already changed the rules, at least wait until the next stage. It's unfair to the games that have already been played. And you don't even have a rule stating that you can change the rules.

2. Even if you did change them, why did I find out about it from the Chieftain in the chat? You didn't mention the change of rules in a newsletter or here in the thread. (No one would accuse you of padding your post count).

3. Yes, maybe one game doesn't show a clear result, but what the Chieftain suggested about the hero selection isn't quite right.

The second player is forced to choose a hero based on the field.

So, if I'm the first to eliminate all the dwarves from the opponent, and he leaves them for me, and I choose a dwarf and, accordingly, a snowy field... what should the second player do?

In my opinion, in your tournament, it would be right to do this (because you have 1 game, not 4): players announce to each other the heroes they have eliminated. Then, the players inform the organizer of the chosen heroes (so there is no temptation to change them). The organizer announces the chosen heroes and the neutral field. The players play (and in this case, it doesn't matter who is what color)

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Light God

18 years ago

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Adelaide;143995

Yesterday, we tried to play with Neo, but we couldn't because the rules don't clearly state how a player's color is determined. I'm not used to acting on my own judgment in tournaments. Therefore, I ask the organizer to clearly define this point.
I agree with the leader about having only one duel. Everyone plays 4 matches in all tournaments because it has been proven through experience that this is the most objective option. However, making such significant changes to the rules in the middle of a tournament is a clear sign of unprofessionalism in the organization (although, what professionalism can we even talk about here?). Most importantly, it's inhumane to the players who have already played matches in this tournament according to the original rules, because this is the organizer's mistake, and the tournament participants should not suffer in any way.
There was a very strong desire to close this tournament altogether, because even though it's a fan tournament, it should meet the minimum requirements for presentation: it should have clear rules and regulations, all in one initial post, and not scattered in fragments throughout the topic.
But since the tournament has already started, and some duels have been played, I will not close it. But I insist that the organizer of this tournament has done everything possible (edited the rules and regulations) to make this tournament as comfortable as possible for the players. If any future fan tournament does not meet the requirements for proper presentation, I will close it, without warnings or excessive humanity.
I hope for your understanding, but everything is being done for the benefit of the forum and the participants in our tournaments.

I'm already editing:smile17: :smile17: :smile17: :smile17:

Lord Vampire

18 years ago

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Root, cross me off the list, again because I won't be home. I thought I would have time, but I don't.

Chudo_udo aka Saint_Lider

18 years ago

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Dear Root of Good, I would like to inform you that this stage of the tournament is taking too long... and I suggest urging the players in other groups to speed up.

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Light God

18 years ago

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Chudo_udo aka Saint_Lider;144762

Dear Root of Good, I would like to inform you that this stage of the tournament is taking too long... and I suggest urging the players in other groups to speed up.

Everyone should finish playing this week...