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so keep discussing my "provocation":)
I came to this conclusion because you stated that:
- almost no one plays TE
- there are few strong players and nowhere to grow
at the very time when a delegation of the strongest Heroes players in the world, playing TE, is present on this forum. Both statements are demonstrably false, as everyone knows. What is this, if not a provocation?

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NO!!!
SoD will die out only when Heroes 3 dies out - and that will clearly not happen soon...
Yeah, people like you are the ones bringing that moment closer, the moment of Heroes 3's death. Because SoD is a dead-end branch of evolution, as there is no development, and there will be none. And with each new version of TE, the balance will improve and the number of bugs will decrease, making it more and more enjoyable and interesting to play. As far as I know, the next version will even feature a new city, "Bastion." Whether you like it or not, but this is a fact - SoD is doomed. :smile16:
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Again, 25 :) - I attack him with Fom, he attacks me with Erem.

Is the game about Heroes just quickly dragging troops from one window to another?

Of course, I know about many world-renowned websites, about Wog, and much more...

I'm saying it again - people play by the same rules on TE; there's no spreading of different rules.

But in the wider world - there's DIVERSITY! Otherwise, so many people would have outgrown their short pants and moved on to play other games.

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And about the second one, I'm the leader there :) be jealous ;)
and I taught you, on the Dungeon, if you still remember :)
You also imposed some rules there - they removed DD, added all sorts of other nonsense, and now you fight according to YOUR rules, the way YOU know how - namely, by leveling up Barbarians and just running... a MONOTONOUS war :smile29:
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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NO!!!
SoD will only die when Heroes 3 dies - and that won't happen anytime soon...
Heroes 3, I hope, will never die, at least it should last for my lifetime thanks to the efforts of people like Horn and zvs (I am very grateful to them), but they will definitely be affected by evolution, it is impossible to avoid it in our world. ;-)
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Is the game Heroes about quickly dragging troops from one window to another?

Of course, I know about many world websites, about Wog, and about many other things...

I'm saying it again - people play by one set of rules on TE, there is no spreading of rules.
Dear Captain. I won't teach you what the meaning of the game Heroes 3 is, and I won't teach you about the different rules that people play with on TE, I don't think it's appropriate here - although, it seems like you could use a refresher. ;-)
You know everything yourself, and about many world websites, although you complain about the lack of opponents when playing on TE, and you yourself taught me, you say to move the knight, what can a simple mortal do with royal affairs. ;-)

But I answered one of your provocations, not even to you, but rather to the participants of this forum, and here is the next one:

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And about the second one, yes, I'm the leader there :) be jealous ;)
and I taught you on the League, if you still remember :)
You also introduced some rules there - they removed DD, added some other nonsense, and now fight according to YOUR rules, as YOU know how - namely, pump up the barbarian and just run... MONOTONOUS warfare :smile29:
I won't even answer that. Tournaments will be our judge.

stop these pointless arguments, I have already proven everything to myself...
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Yeah, people like you are the ones bringing that moment closer, the moment of Heroes 3's demise. Because SoD is a dead-end branch of evolution, as there is no development, and there won't be any. But with each new version of TE, the balance will improve, and the number of bugs will decrease, making the game more enjoyable and interesting. As far as I know, the next version will even feature a new city called "Bastion." Whether you like it or not, the fact is that SoD is doomed. :smile16:
Just make sure you watch what you're writing, okay?
By the way, it's usually the underdeveloped "branches" that get developed.
Chess, for example, has remained almost unchanged throughout most of human history (since its inception) – and yet it's still a great game and sport... so, "to each their own."
Everyone plays what they enjoy... I don't feel alone in my beliefs, and that's enough for me. As for the TE players, promote your branch, but do it with something good, without bashing other branches. IMHO, the worst way to stand out is to insult your opponent.
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By the way, it's mostly the unfinished "branches" that are being developed
Alex, but that's exactly why SoD is that unfinished branch that is currently being worked on. Its balance, interface, and gameplay were taken as the foundation.

Chess, for example, has remained virtually unchanged throughout almost all of human history (since its inception) — and yet it is a super game and a sport
That is not a correct comparison. Chess is, without a doubt, a Great game; its idea and concept are genius. Here, however, we are dealing with a computer game with a vast array of various elements that are difficult to balance against each other.

Let me try to explain my position one more time.
I'm not leaving my thoughts on some fan forum for CS or Quake, where people might also know and play Heroes in between intense duels "to let the brain rest" ;-), but I am on a Heroes resource where people come who view Heroes as something a bit more than just one game among many (for me, it's the only game). I think, believe, and am convinced that every inhabitant of such forums, like mine and yours(?), wants to achieve something greater in the Game. They didn't find this place, register, and stay here for nothing.
It means they want to develop, learn, and improve their level of play. And what, in your opinion, is the most fruitful, best, and fastest path of development? I, like many others, have seen from my own experience that only playing with the strongest players and gaining invaluable experience in tournaments with the best leads to an increase in level and an understanding of the game's depths. And yet, the vast majority of them (the best) have already switched to TE; how do they play? There are exceptions, of course, but they are far fewer in proportion — these are people who flatly refuse, afraid to overcome their own ingrained convictions, thinking that only their opinion and assessment are correct and nothing better exists, and they don't even want to try. And then there are those who are simply too lazy to spend a few minutes on it + play a few matches to understand/read what changes were made and why. Do you belong to such people!?

Suppose that right now you can still go to Bai and ask if anyone wants to play SoD; perhaps there are still some takers, since they themselves made the transition relatively recently and are satisfied. But after some time, those wishing to improve their level of play will no longer be able to find an excellent opponent, because all high-class players NO longer wish to play That when This exists. They don't want to experience imbalance and RNG luck. Simply put, they don't want to click the mouse for 2 minutes to transfer and divide an army; they want to spend those 2 minutes thinking about their further development plan. Furthermore, I should note that SoD is simply not suited for serious tournaments; all of Pitre — the best fixed-map players today — play TE, and all of Bai — the best random-map players today — have switched to TE. There is still Chaos League, but its functionality has been questionable lately. So the circle of development is drawn; whether you want to be inside it or outside is, of course, up to you... but the wagon is still where it was (c) :-)

Imagine, will you still be sitting there 5 years from now waiting for the miracle moment when your starting hero is Gurnisson with 12 Goblins and no ballista, and the second is Tiraxor with several wolves? Or maybe you'll still be sitting up at night playing through campaigns, or will you eventually want something more, to find serious opponents, attend a major tournament, and talk in person with wonderful people about the trends of the game's further progress!? Maybe not, maybe I've come to the wrong place!?

If you don't want to grow and advance in Heroes 3, then SoD is indeed enough for you. If you wish to play better, you will eventually have to commit this terrible act of upgrading: Heroes 3 SoD -> VoG -> TE.

P.S. Maybe someone can explain to me with arguments, without slogans like "SoD forever, period" or "I just like it this way," what the downsides of switching from SoD to TE are. What exactly is the problem?
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P.S. Maybe someone can explain to me, with arguments and without slogans like "SoD is forever, period" or "I just like it," what are the drawbacks of switching from SoD to TE. What is the problem?
The problem is that many people simply don't need it!
What arguments are needed when your posts show that:
Dust_HL;135048
After all, the vast majority of the best players have already switched to TE. How can they play? Of course, there are exceptions, but there are far fewer of them – these are the people who absolutely refuse to do it themselves, are afraid to overcome their ingrained beliefs, think that only their opinion and assessment is the most correct and that nothing is better, and don't even want to try. And there are also those who are just too lazy to spend a few minutes on it + play a few more games to understand/read what changes have been made and why.
I highlighted in red what is a subjective belief and not based on facts... but there are facts that refute this opinion ;)
Dust_HL;135048
Alex, on the contrary, SoD is that underdeveloped branch that is being worked on. Its balance, interface, and gameplay were taken as a basis.
For TE players, it is underdeveloped ;)
Dust_HL;135048
Let's say you can still go to "bay" now.
What does "bay" have to do with it? Is it a role model?
Dust_HL;135048
but in a while, those who want to improve their game will no longer be able to find a good opponent, because all high-level players no longer want to play in it when there is TE.
Really, all of them :D Do you have them all recorded/counted? Are these perhaps 20 RP players + 3 out of 44, who are selected for RP from users registered on "bay"? I assumed that there are more strong players... let's say, their number is in the hundreds ;)
Dust_HL;135048
So the circle of development is outlined, whether you want to be inside it or outside is up to you, of course... but you'll just be left behind. (c) :-)
:smile52: under the chair :smile52:
and here is another quote :D :D :D
Dust_HL;135048
If you don't want to grow and progress in Heroes 3, then SoD is really enough for you. If you want to play better, you will have to make this terrible act of upgrading Heroes 3 SoD-WoG-TE someday.
You're a funny guy. It looks a lot like an advertising campaign for Heroes 3 TE (is this your personal enthusiasm, or is someone paying you?)
No offense, of course, but you made me laugh :D
Dust_HL;135048
Imagine, will you still be sitting and waiting for the wonderful moment when Gurnisson with 12 Goblins comes to you as a starting hero after another 5 years...
Who told you that we do that? :D
Heroes 3 (especially the most common versions SoD 3.2 and "Platinum" 4.0) is IMMORTAL - but the unofficial, developing mod for Heroes 3 - TE may not survive these 5 years
Dust_HL;135048
Maybe not, maybe I got it wrong!?
good question :smile01: maybe that's the truth?;)
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My name is Alex too, but the post above isn't mine. :) Although, everything is spot on. To Dust: talking too much means you won't be remembered. :) 1. Let's say there are about 100 people in each country who actively play Heroes, meaning in ranked games and so on, not just at home. Let's take 100 countries – although there are 250 in the world ;) – that's 10,000 good players in the world... and what does a list of 80 TE players mean against that number? 2. I'll repeat that TE has a good idea with the unit dragging mechanic. That's a plus. But it's not profitable for the developers to implement this on a large scale – they are already thinking about the 5th and 6th Heroes games. There's no commercial benefit for them here. :( 3. Template thinking... be honest, is it interesting to sit on the same portal for 5 years and play the same thing? According to the same rules...? For example, on the League, in 2 Dust games, I assembled an arena against Horn Barbarian on a map with lots of troops to raise skeletons. I gave him a hint, and Horn was defeated... 4. "Tournaments will judge" (as they say)... yes, I'll brag, I have 2 Grandmaster titles (in offline and online play) – no one else has that ;) on the most visited Heroes portal + a victory in the League Championship... against the same Dust... Many people remember the League Championship because of my descriptions – the unconventional strategies that rarely occur to someone with template thinking. 5. And finally, you can even play against the computer and enjoy the challenges, not just against a super-player... I contradicted myself a bit here... but I still can't forget "Antoshka's puzzle" – if you're interested, look it up, even super-duper players will find very useful things there.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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No offense ;-) I used to read your posts, Alex_R, not so long ago, and people would tell you things, provide evidence, but all you did was try to argue with them, nitpick at words, and wriggle out of it. I don't want to go through the same thing. If you want to continue the dialogue with me, try to provide your arguments. And don't twist the opponent's words. I asked a normal question, I'm interested in it, I just asked you to answer and try to provide arguments.
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The problem is that many people don't need it!
What arguments are needed here if your posts show that:
You need your own arguments. It's not hard to understand that you don't need it, I'm interested in what the other forum members think. ;-)

I highlighted in red what is a subjective belief and is not based on facts ... but there are facts that refute this opinion ;)
Everyone's opinion is essentially subjective and based on the information they have received and processed. There is nothing unusual about this, yes - this is my opinion, which was formed by visiting many Heroes-related resources.

What does "Bay" have to do with it? Is it a role model?
If you strive to develop and significantly raise your level of play, then for you - yes. Whether it's imitation or not, it's up to you, but their level of play deserves respect, many of them have proven it as winners of tournaments of various levels. And what can you say about yourself, objecting to every other sentence they write?

Really, all of them :D Do you have them all listed/counted? Are these just 20 RP players + 3 out of 44, who are selected for RP users registered on "Bay"? I assumed there were more strong players ... let's say their number is in the hundreds ;)
No, not just that. I have information from many resources that I visit, I know many excellent players, but there are definitely not hundreds of them. The best of the best over the years can be counted on one hand, maybe a dozen. There are more excellent and good players, but there are definitely not hundreds.

:smile52: under the chair :smile52:
and here's another quote :D :D :D
You're a funny guy. It looks a lot like a promotional campaign for Heroes 3 TE (is this all your personal enthusiasm or is someone paying you?)
No offense, of course - but you made me laugh :D
Well, see how good it is, it's mutual, I also came to have some fun recently. :-)

No, it's pure enthusiasm and as long as I have free time at work, nothing more, don't make things up.

And who told you that we do this? :D
Heroes 3 (especially the most common versions SoD 3.2 and "Platinum" 4.0) are IMMORTAL - but the unofficial, developing mod for Heroes 3 - TE may not survive these 5 years
I accept your prediction, shall we bet? ;-) We'll see what happens, but time will tell.

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Maybe not, maybe I went to the wrong place!?

good question :smile01: maybe that's the truth?;)
Yes, you are probably absolutely right. :-)

Well, that's enough chatter, I've expressed my thoughts in 2 posts before this, so I suggest we don't go any further with the sophistry. I hope to hear from other residents here, if you don't mind. :-)
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I have a specific question for the experts on the Town Editor (TE). In the TE, there was an attempt to rebalance the magic schools, which, as it seems to me, was mainly caused by the desire to distribute control among the different schools, since previously 2 magic schools were often ignored. They redistributed them, well done. But, again, in my humble opinion, the balance of the magic schools still hasn't been achieved, although the fluctuations have become slightly smaller. Now Air is at a disadvantage (mass haste is very strong, but there's nothing else), and Water has risen sharply and may even have become the strongest. Will there be any further balance changes?
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My name is Alex too, but the post above isn't mine :)
Although, everything is spot on.
I wasn't referring to you.

To Dust: talking a lot means people won't remember you :)
That's not my goal.

1. Let's say there are about 100 people in each country who actively play Heroes... I mean, those who participate in rankings, etc., and not just play at home. Let's take 100 countries - although there are 250 in the world ;) - that's 10,000 good players in the world... and what does a list of 80 TE players mean against that number?
I disagree with the 10,000 good players. Not all 100 countries have Heroes as popular as it is here or in China, etc. So, there are definitely fewer. And what do you mean by "good"? I think there are far fewer players in the world with whom you would genuinely enjoy playing. But that's not the point. You said you can't find opponents for yourself on TE, but they haven't even shown up in this thread, what are you talking about? ;-)

I'll repeat that TE has a good idea with the unit dragging feature. That's a plus. But it's not profitable for the developers to implement this on a large scale - they are already thinking about the 5th and 6th Heroes games.
There's no commercial benefit for them here :(
Wow, you noticed something good, I'm really glad :-) I can confidently say that there are many other good ideas... ;-) You can download TE "massively" from the internet, and it's completely free. Of course, you need to want to, so "massively" isn't the issue here.

Example: on the League, in 2 Dust games, I gathered troops on the arena against Horn Barb... on a map with many troops to raise skeletons :) I gave him a hint, and Horn lost...
So what? Be proud of it, you're doing well. :-) I confirm that during a conversation in ICQ with Captain, the idea of raising skeletons came up, which I successfully implemented, just like Horn, but it turned out a little better. Does that make you feel better? ;-) But it wasn't a Barb, and I won because I had a lot of cooldowns.

4. "Tournaments will judge" (quote)... yes, I'll brag, I have 2 Grandmaster titles (in offline and online) - no one else has that ;) on the most popular portal (for Heroes) + a victory in the League championship... against the same Dust... Many people remember the League Championship because of my descriptions - the unconventional strategies that rarely occur to someone with a conventional mindset.
I know about your titles. :-) And probably not all forum members here have heard about it, so go ahead and tell us more. But please, don't be too loud about the Championship, where you completed all 5 saves, and I only had time for 4, and about the fact that in 3 out of 4, I... well, you didn't mention that, did you? ;-), and I don't see anything about you winning online "cleanly" either, but okay, at least imagine how much the residents of HeroesWorld learned about two players, one from the Portal, the other from the League. :-)

Come on, maybe we can discuss the good old days in ICQ, I'm sometimes available in the evening. Otherwise, it will turn into a complete off-topic. ;-)

to Fireball - I didn't see your post while I was writing this, sorry, I'll definitely answer tomorrow, I have to go now.
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It's terrible that you're resorting to personal insults again. This is supposed to be a wonderful, friendly resource, overflowing with positivity and goodwill. Regarding the fact that the topic is indeed inappropriate, and that it would have been better to have already discussed it, and that it could simply escalate into an argument, with everyone remaining stuck in their own opinions. Everyone has already decided which version they want to play; some play SOD, some play TE, and some play both. Now, about respect: Dust_HL, please behave properly and restrain your ambitions. If you're so amazing and knowledgeable, what are you doing here? Go find people like yourself, and don't come here without understanding anything. Alex R, by the way, is our top player; he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. He has countless victories in various versions, but if you don't care about the results of our tournaments and dare to insult our champions, then I'm shocked by your attitude towards the recognized player, Captain. I hadn't really thought about whether TE or classic SOD is more important or better, but I theoretically agree with his arguments regarding the approximate number of players for these versions. If you continue to develop the topic in the same way, resorting to personal attacks, I will close this thread. P.S. You came here to play and expand the player base, and we went to meet you. A joint tournament is currently running successfully. What else is wrong? What do you want? To slander SOD and make us believe that TE is a miracle? It's not worth wasting time and effort writing posts for that, because every player has already made their choice. And if you want to conduct a mass campaign to promote TE, do it in other threads and in other ways, instead of using the main argument that TE is good because SOD is bad. But I'm explaining obvious things; I hope for your good sense and more constructive posts.
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Just watch what you write, okay?
My fingers are fine; you should watch yours. I meant the people who stubbornly resist the development and improvement of SoD, that is, you and others like you. What didn't you like? What do fingers have to do with it?
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as for the TE players, promote your branch, but with something good, without bashing other branches.
Please quote where in this thread SoD is being "bashed." The fact that it has no improvements and will not have any is not "bashing"; it is a fact.

Dust_HL - RESPECT, I agree with every word, but I wouldn't have been able to express it so politely and consistently. Frankly, I'm just annoyed by the stubbornness of some people. It's time to stop; you've already made enough money promoting TE. :smile52:
Adelaide;135274
It's terrible, you're resorting to personal insults again.
Where is that? Dust_HL is communicating quite correctly, providing clear arguments in defense of his position. In response, he is only given a list of your players' titles. :smile32:
Adelaide;135274

This is such a wonderful, friendly resource, it's just overflowing with positivity and goodwill.
If anything, I don't represent any resource; I'm just talking about it in general. And the goodwill of the Bayewians is shown, as it should be, not in words but in deeds: helping you switch to a more advanced version of Heroes 3.
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Please quote where SoD is being "trashed" in this thread. The fact that it has no upgrades and will not have any is not "trashing," it's a fact.
What should I quote — for starters, look at your signature ... strange that the mods haven't noticed you yet ;)
Adelaide answered all the questions — I no longer have any desire to "beat a dead horse."
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I request that the admins close this thread, as I am the "creator."
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Not all titles are created equal. Given the current organizational fragmentation in the world of Heroes, titles from any unfamiliar sandbox carry no weight with anyone.

SoD had only one truly prestigious sandbox known to almost everyone: the Chaos League (and other championships run by Chaos and company). Achievements from it are a freely convertible currency in the realm of Heroes' regalia.
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