In your opinion, which faction is the strongest in Heroes 5? Let's discuss the advantages and disadvantages of each faction. — General

Игрок

10/8/2007 6:13 AM UTC

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Well, you can easily deal 1500+ damage with Ice Shard at level 20, or you can barely manage 2000 with Earth Shock at level 40 – it all depends on how you play and how you develop your character... We weren't all born knowing how to play... Let the person learn, ask questions, and show interest. Why scold them for that?

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Alan

10/8/2007 6:57 AM UTC

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Player; 117376

Well, you can easily deal 1500+ damage with Ice Bolt at level 20, or barely manage 2000 with Earth Shock at level 40 – it all depends on how you play and how you develop your character... We weren't all born knowing how to play... Let the person learn, ask questions, and show interest. Why scold them for that?

The issue isn't how someone plays. It's the unsubstantiated nature of their claims, especially with examples that don't really match reality. Based on those, I can tell that they DON'T play against real people (at least not against decent opponents on ubi.com, and the level they mentioned is more suitable for a campaign than a proper duel). And claiming the strength of factions based on campaigns is just silly. If they want to learn, they should ask for advice in the relevant strategy threads, instead of acting like they know everything.
Maybe I was a bit harsh, there are many similar comments in this thread, and I shouldn't have singled them out (especially since they also made the claim that Armageddon doesn't work as intended, which is even worse). But still, if you look at those two posts specifically, I don't think I was being rude.

P.S. Demoralizing people is your right, but I don't see any valid reasons for it in your post.

Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.

Rogov

12/7/2007 7:55 PM UTC

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In my opinion, there isn't a single strongest faction; they are all equal (that's what balance is for). Personally, I don't know how to play, and I don't want to learn how to play, as Dungeon, Stronghold, and Inferno. I also don't play Academy very well. And therefore, for me personally, the two strongest factions are Necropolis and Haven. But! I repeat once again, this is only due to my preferences and skills, and nothing more, and there is no faction that is stronger than the others.

P.S. Дмитрий undead Рогов. Для вас просто Дмитрий.
___Клан "Рыцари Апокалипсиса". Воин 5 класса "Новичок".

Vayshan

12/8/2007 4:11 AM UTC

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I prefer to play as the Elves, so for me (and I emphasize – for me), they are the strongest. But in general, there isn't a single race that is the "strongest" in the game.

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kj1313

12/8/2007 7:48 AM UTC

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Rogov;134022

In my opinion, there is no strongest faction; they are all equal (that's what balance is for). Personally, I don't know how to play, and I don't want to learn how to play, as Tower, Stronghold, and Dungeon. I also don't play Academy very well. And therefore, for me personally, the two strongest factions are Necropolis and Haven. But! I repeat once again, this is only because of my preferences and skills, and nothing more, and there is no faction that is stronger than the others.

Maybe you're right, but I'm still all for Stronghold and Necropolis....

Всадник СМЕРТИ
- Смерть - судьба всех и каждого.

Очень Хаотичный Лидер Клана "Рыцари апокалипсиса"

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3DogMZA

12/10/2007 3:33 PM UTC

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I completely agree with everyone who said that there isn't a race stronger than the others! If there were, everyone would play it, and there would be no balance! The strongest race is the one played by the most skilled player!:rolleyes:

9 ДРАКОНОВ.
Асха - Порядок! Ургаш - Хаос! Силат - Воздух!
Шаласса - Вода! Аркат - Пламя! Силанна - Земля!
Сар-Илам - Дракон-Маг! Эльрат - Свет! Маласса - Тьма!

Loken

12/11/2007 6:23 AM UTC

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the balance still isn't perfect. you have to struggle through a thorny path of patches to get there. regarding the topic – for me, there are only favorite factions. I can play all of them well and quite successfully; each one can be used to win. that's all.

Драккошка

12/11/2007 6:34 PM UTC

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I love playing as the Sylvan faction, but I don't think they're the strongest; to be honest, I never have. (They are a decent, atmospheric, and enjoyable race, but not the strongest, as there's always a bigger fish). I've repeatedly seen that they can be easily defeated with the right skills. I used to think the Academy was the strongest because of their magic, archers, and strong infantry, but... now I disagree with my previous opinion because I've again seen that mages can be easily defeated if necessary. I've also dismissed opinions about the strength of other factions. Anyone can be defeated by anyone else – balance exists, folks! ;) :D So, all races are equally good and strong, IMHO. And if someone thinks that someone is stronger, I think they should try playing with the "weaker" ones.

А, вот почему.

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Vayshan

12/11/2007 6:52 PM UTC

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Yes, that’s right. Each faction has its own advantages. You just need to learn to find those advantages, and everything will be fine. Choose 2-3 factions and learn to play as them, instead of complaining every time you lose that the balance is off (like when I was getting beaten playing as the Mages – it’s a painful memory, but I was the one to blame, not the balance). As for patches, I think they’ve already polished the balance quite well. And patch 3.1 doesn’t seem to be coming out anytime soon, which means the Orcs are at least not overpowered.

Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

God save us everyone
Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...

Loken

12/11/2007 7:55 PM UTC

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you can achieve victory with any faction, but some do it with ease, while others struggle. patch 3.1 isn't coming out quickly because the game was just released, right? patches usually take at least 3-4 months, especially if they're balance patches, not bug fixes.
in Starcraft, the balance is much better. that game is ten to twelve years old. everything has been refined to perfection.
in Heroes, the game itself isn't that unbalanced (it's reasonably balanced), but the duels are. and duels are what people play constantly. of course, one hero counters another, and so on, but there should be various ways to fight.

the above is, of course, just my opinion.

Vayshan

12/14/2007 6:47 AM UTC

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The game was released on October 19th, I think... Well, it's been almost two months now. We're waiting for a patch; there are some noticeable and rather annoying bugs.

Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

God save us everyone
Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...

Майор Вихрь

12/14/2007 10:06 AM UTC

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Well, for fairness, duels should still be played with random heroes. This way, you can rely on luck (your own), and you also learn to play with all the heroes, not just one or always choosing a counter-hero. In general, I think many people have encountered a situation where you choose a hero, your opponent changes, you change, they change, and so on. In the end, they just pick randomly. As for the game itself, the balance is good; I haven't noticed any serious (or even minor) flaws in it, especially compared to version 1.0...

Silovik

12/14/2007 12:48 PM UTC

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Just a little more, I'll write this: mages have a specialization in minor artifacts, but why do I need it without a Castle????, and the Amulet of Mastery is just a one-time trinket for them!!!! The same goes for the Light Elves, but they weren't in the campaign (why, by the way).

Снова играю в Герои5!

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Amko

12/14/2007 12:53 PM UTC

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Major Whirlwind; 135956

Well, for fairness, duels should be played with random heroes. This way, you can rely on luck (your own), and you also learn to play with all the heroes, not just one or always choosing a counter-hero. In general, I think many have encountered a situation where you choose a hero, your opponent changes, you change, they change, and so on. In the end, they choose randomly. And in the game itself, the balance is good; I haven't noticed any serious (or even minor) flaws in it, especially compared to version 1.0...

In my opinion, it's better to learn to play with 4-5 heroes and always rely on them. But in random mode, too much depends on luck.
P.S.: As far as I know, the beta test for patch 3.1 is currently underway.

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