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#5358
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You're locked up in a psychotronic prison where a dozen psychopaths force you to play various inappropriate games with them, and those who don't want to are humiliated and driven to hysterics.
E si sui vius, er mi grans benananza,
e si ieu muoir, er mi grans deliuriers
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#5359
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Neiko
What do I tell my husband now? O:
"Call your friends."? 🤔
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Interesting fact: If Aristar had spent time idling in Syren's tent, he would have received stats equivalent to resting for 3 turns. However, Syren herself would eventually kick him out because he doesn't meet her standards for versatile fighters.
Карты для героев 5

"Плата за любовь"
"Путь некроманта"
"Темные грани"
"Рок Гримхейма"
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#5361
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Count Orlov
You're locked up in a psychotronic prison where a dozen psychopaths force you to play various inappropriate games with them, and those who don't want to are humiliated and driven to hysterics.
Ah, he already knows that I'm playing for experience points here.

Графомания путешественника

Хроники сражений:

Бои Стэфании I, II

Турнир: А/Ч, А/З, Н/А, Г/К

Об исторических эпохах

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#5362
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Neiko
It's about the humiliation of Nebkom, how much of a villain he is, and so on. After Kikki's event, you spend the whole game making toxic jokes that aren't always funny at Ida's expense. The only good one I remember right away is the joke about the homeless guy; she appreciated it and laughed. Maybe there were other good ones, but I just don't remember. Even though most of them didn't offend me because everyone has a different sense of humor, some people might find it funny, while others might not. Sometimes, you even made disparaging remarks about Ida without any jokes. I didn't take offense for two reasons: first, these are just fictional characters, and second, I believe that your intention wasn't to hurt or humiliate me personally. You simply think it's acceptable to troll my character, but it shouldn't be done to yours.
It's simple. It's not exactly trolling. I just see that you enjoy it (or at least you don't mind this kind of roleplaying), so sometimes similar teasing comes up. And not just directed at you... If I saw that this type of roleplaying was unpleasant for you and "imposed from above," there wouldn't be a single post like that. I'm not Nebok...
Neiko
In short, I don't fully understand and support your position regarding this game. The theme of debauchery with Aristarkh is underdeveloped. With Zaya, everything was innocent; she didn't try anything. Ida didn't pay attention to him, except for one unsuccessful attempt by the Sortorin witch to dominate. But we know from the event with Utar what crazy things she can do. You were given plenty of experience and loot, provided with strong allies for all quests, excellent career growth, and a high reputation for the character.
You basically freaked out because of only one poisoning without any serious debuffs and because of Nebko's photoshopped image. And all of this turned into something close to hysteria. Is that mature behavior?
Let's say my "psyche" couldn't handle this "toxic atmosphere." It wasn't even about Astral's XP; it was about the overall "XP atmosphere." You created here
Neiko
"whoredom, debauchery, and drugs"
and more than just that. If this helps you "understand the issue," I can quote "the contents of my skull" after what happened. The point is that Astral went against his own mechanics. You didn't react to it in any way. More precisely, Nebok and Heroist reacted: with jokes... So, the "content" was approximately like this:
"Content""Dude. There are no rules here. Absolutely none! Not at all. The GM does not simply do whatever he wants but absolutely anything he wants. And everyone doesn't care. They will swallow anything. At any moment, someone can ruin your mood in any way they want. And anyone can do it. It's even possible that you'll have a great time, but in the end, your character will be raped or something else equally awful will happen. Just because. Purely "for fun." Because they can. Because everything is allowed for the GM." "What's up???" What "relationship with Zaya"? What "wedding"? What are you talking about? Some nymphs will rape her on some mountain pass, and Nebok will laugh. That's it..." You were right back in the obelisks: this game isn't for you, and you don't belong here. Absolutely..."

On top of everything, I also remembered your comment in the mafia chat a long time ago when you told a story from the KB forum:
"Story"There, besides the "Wulff-style craziness," which they called "wahami" (in honor of Wulf himself, after whom the first set was made in this format), they also played regular psychomafia with a sheriff, doctor, and "meat" without an ND role.

According to the rules, so-called "free communication" was allowed, and there was even a special thread called "Graveyard," where killed players could write whatever they wanted. And anyone could "knock" on any player in private messages and say anything. The only "taboo" was sending screenshots of the GM with their role. Everything else was allowed. In private messages, the sheriff could come to dead mirk players, state his role, and report the role of the verified player. As a result, the Sheriff, Doctor, and "verified mircs" became "untouchable," while the mafia, on the contrary, were guaranteed to lose. This "format" wasn't for me, so I mostly played here, and there – almost exclusively "wahami."

There was another rule: the day always ended with an execution in any case, even if one person voted against a player, and everyone else voted NNV (although voting NNV was allowed only once or twice per game). If the votes were equal, a random player was eliminated. Also, any player could self-modkill at any time. In this case, he would be removed from the vote, the votes for him would be annulled, and the next player with the most votes would be eliminated.

So... One particularly "cunning" newbie played for a bit and figured out what was going on and used it all to his advantage. Being a verified mafia member and seeing that they were about to eliminate him, right before the "deadline," he asked for a modkill in the thread and "left," not alone but together with a mirk who had only a couple of votes against him. As a result, this led to the defeat of the mircs and outrage among the players. But the GM said, "I can't do anything; everything is within the rules." And he was right. Absolutely right. Neira's comment, "The GM is a jerk; he ruined everything. He should have 'taken matters into his own hands,'" yes, ignore the rules and "act according to principles, honestly, and fairly."

I didn't need 100 XP. I needed 3 OD. But Astral acted as he saw fit. And I understand why he did so. If he had "backed down," then in Neira's eyes (and not just Neira's, I'm sure), it would look like, "Ha! Astral is a loser! He gave in to Yashur's whims. What kind of GM are you?" The fact that this requirement came from "the law" and not from Yashur, no one would understand, and I'm sure they still don't even after I directly wrote it. So, I understand Astral. I "understand," but I don't "accept"...

You can think that I'm paranoid, "too formalistic," or something else, but... I just can't "do things differently." It's a matter of "mentality" or something, I don't know...

In principle, I have no complaints about Aristarkh's "position" in this XP. Even the unpleasant situation with the thief, I "digested" on the condition that I won't have anything to do with him anymore. In general, everything here is logical: a thief, a bad person, and so on. There probably wasn't really another way to complete that quest. Aristarkh himself couldn't steal the papers; he's not Hryashch, and he doesn't have the skill for burglary. A "cheap option" most likely involved "bribing" someone from the alchemists, but that option is also unacceptable for me (if you guessed why – good, if not – well, then).

Overall, I have no complaints about Astral regarding the XP. He simply "hit a sore spot" and "reset" my mood. Sorry...

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#5363
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. She will get it from some nymphs on some mountain pass, and Nebok will just laugh…
Even when Ferda accused her of deception, I didn’t find it funny. You can reread the thread if you want. So don’t attribute the same attitude towards all characters to me.
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. To be more precise, Nebok and Heroist reacted with laughter….
Hey, but who ultimately drew attention to the fact that you were deceived? Nebok, after he could breathe a sigh of relief from the “joys” of real life, so don’t exaggerate 😎
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Sky
Actually, even when Ferda accused her of deception, I didn't find it funny. You can reread the thread if you're not too lazy. So don't attribute the same attitude toward all characters to me.
Hey, and who ended up drawing attention to the fact that you were deceived? Nebok, once he could catch his breath from the "joys" of IRL, so don't rush me 😎
Yes. Not all of the "contents of the skull" were correct. Some things were mistaken too. Including my understanding of Astral's goal. I thought he decided to mock the "wrongness of relationships," but in reality he wanted to make Zaiya look like a klutz. 
Malicious Foot-and-Mouth
My "psyche" couldn't withstand this "toxic atmosphere."
And your role in the impact of "this toxic atmosphere" on me is not insignificant... I'd even say it's greater than Astral's will be... The "just-for-laughs" jabs by your standards didn't go unnoticed...

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#5365
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Your role in creating this "toxic atmosphere" around me was significant… I would even say it was greater than Astral’s… The “simply funny” jokes according to your standards didn't go unnoticed…
There was definitely an impact. But I still find it hard to understand why you are so irritated by jokes about a fictional character who is not you.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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You simply think it's acceptable to troll my character on one hand, but it shouldn't happen to yours on the other.
This is an important point. It’s no coincidence that towards the end of the Hevesh Mafia era, a tradition emerged about who to visit on the first night. It’s even hard to determine how much trolling and teasing with emoticons ruined my impression of Mafia games. By the way, I noticed this more than once or twice – but each time it was elegantly dismissed as “lol, Mafia got triggered.” However, at that time, I thought I was dealing with a professional provocateur and just needed to endure it.
As experience has shown, in reality, it turned out to be a simple case of seeing the speck in someone else's eye while ignoring the log in your own.

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Heroist
Back then, I thought I was dealing with a professional provocateur and that I just needed to endure it.
As experience showed, it turned out to be simply a case of someone seeing the speck in another's eye while ignoring the log in their own.
Well, regarding "professional"... that's an exaggeration. But yes, trolling and provocation did occur in Mafia games; I admit it. The goal was to obtain certain information for my own purposes and those of the villagers. Attentive players probably noticed that I only played as a villager or a serial killer. I rarely played as a member of the mafia. And this gave away some clues, but I couldn't do anything about it.
And concerning past experiences, I have already commented on them...

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In an extended game, we're all mafia players; the host is the maniac, and the NPCs are townspeople. Therefore, we need to work together, avoid being exposed, don't fall for trolling too early, and wait until the Mage Guild eliminates all the innocents and gives us a good ending.

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Heroist
In an expansion pack, we're all mafia players; the host is the main maniac, and NPCs are townspeople. Therefore, we need to work together, avoid drawing attention to ourselves, and not fall for trolling too early, waiting until the Mage Guild eliminates all the innocents and gives us a good ending.
It would have been better to play a real Mafia game...

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Here, by the way, note that I completely ignored Heroist’s joke about Aristarkh and Zai. smile04 Absolutely no negativity. This is how Yashur should have been properly ridiculed! smile04 I would also add “Learn, losers!”, but no, this expansion topic is closed for me and cannot be revisited…

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I missed another important point. It is “vitally important” for me to understand what is happening. If there is no understanding, then all sorts of “conspiracies” and other things start to seem real. For example, the situation with these potions. I imagined the expedition as some kind of “business trip.” Moreover, Astral wrote somewhere that participants were supposed to receive potions, etc. And he lied about it. That’s why I asked why Aristarkh didn’t get any. In the end, I still didn’t understand anything; what was even being said about these “poor people and orphans,” if Heroist did receive them after all. Astral claims that I am “envious of others who have more,” but that is not true. After all, I didn’t complain when Ottar received free bread, while Voldemar didn’t. There was a clear answer given: Ottar was just a commoner, and Voldemar wasn’t. Everything was clear and understandable, and there were no questions.

Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно.
Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится.

(Закон сохранения).