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AmberSoler

11/29/2007 12:42 PM UTC

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Alex_R;131524

There's no need to beg for a save file – because the very task of finding heroes with the maximum number of Troglodytes is enough to deter 90% of those who might be interested.

Come on... In the editor, we set Shakti's maximum to the limit allowed by the rules, and that's it – in my opinion, 120. There's no need to invent anything or dig around. This is a technically solvable problem without any issues. And we can program the second hero to have the statistical maximum – to eliminate the theory of probability from the game altogether. Only the technique of achieving the desired result will remain. And everyone will have their own! :)

Well, okay... That's not the point. Because with vaguely defined options, a lot of loopholes arise, which will lead to misunderstandings... Or we'll have to say something like: let's say I start with a hero who has 200 Troglodytes... Where do I get them? :) Here, we need to immediately stipulate that Shakti will bring no more than 120, that any other hero will bring no more than 40, that two heroes of the same class will not appear in the tavern at the same time... in short, the simpler, the more complicated... :D

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Papik

11/29/2007 12:47 PM UTC

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AmberSoler;131527

Come on... In the editor, we set Shakti to the maximum allowed by the rules, and that's it - as far as I know, 120 units... there's no need to invent anything or dig around. This is a technically solvable problem without any issues. And program the second hero to have the statistical maximum - to remove the theory of probability from the game altogether. Only the technique of achieving the desired result will remain. And everyone will have their own! :)

Well, okay... That's not the point.

No, it's not just that. There are other aspects of the problem that either require a special program to be written or are practically impossible to implement in a regular game. I mentioned that the task is theoretical.
I didn't specify tactical aspects simply because I set some default conditions - well, I didn't immediately realize that the description - an empty map and just a dungeon - could imply many options. And a hero - it can also imply artifacts and so on. Well, okay, now the task is stated in the form it is. :) I'm waiting for the results, whether you want to send them via ICQ or somewhere else. Just, guys, please refrain from phrases like "it all boils down to something simple. We just buy as much as we can, up to 9, and that's it - about 750 Troglodytes. The task has an exact answer and several solutions - and strictly defined solutions."

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AmberSoler

11/29/2007 12:51 PM UTC

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Papik;131532

The problem has a precise answer and several possible solutions – and strictly defined solutions.

It would have been better to say that right away – if a solution already exists, then we can start looking into it... Otherwise, the discussion will be long and pointless... :) How much time will you give before announcing the answer? So we know...

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Papik

11/29/2007 12:56 PM UTC

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AmberSoler;131535

You could have just said that right away – if there's already a solution, then we can start looking for it... Otherwise, the discussion will be long and pointless... :) How much time will you give before announcing the answer? So we know...

Of course, there is a solution :)
I'll give you as much time as you need. If everyone suddenly gives up, then there will be an answer.

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AmberSoler

11/29/2007 1:01 PM UTC

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Papik;131537

Of course, there is a solution :)
I'm willing to provide as many as you need. If everyone suddenly says "we give up," then there will be an answer.

No, that won't work for us... :D
I suggest a deadline for the solution: Saturday, 6:00 PM Moscow time. And in the evening, we can discuss the author's version. Until then, let's stop discussing the issue... Does that work?

P.s. Just need to mention this in the first post. To avoid any confusion...

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Forrest

11/29/2007 1:11 PM UTC

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I remembered an old puzzle I had. It came to me while playing the game.

There is a hero with no movement points left. He has zero mana. His army consists of 1 Greater Wyvern (which has been speeded up). He is standing on the highest tree.
Can this hero capture this highest tree during this turn (he cannot move his army)? If so, how?
(This is based on a real game, so there are limitations:
-max hero level 20
-maximum stats of 10)

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Papik

11/29/2007 1:30 PM UTC

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Alex_R;131563

It's too late to set conditions – the calculation strategy is described in post #7 – the exact number wasn't specified, but the interest is already gone, unless someone comes up with an even better strategy.

Honestly, it's a bit disappointing.
You'll ruin the interest for people now, and you're still far from the correct solution with this general strategy. The fact that you need to buy artifacts and heroes is, as they say, "obvious."
Sit down, calculate, and think about whether you can do it under the given conditions of the problem.

I've finally completed the task by initially setting 7+7 resources instead of 5+5. In this final form, it can be solved. I apologize for the several revisions. I had to remember and add a few things to make the solution more interesting. Now it can be solved!
Good luck. The solution, I assure you, won't be easy for most participants.

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AmberSoler

11/29/2007 1:44 PM UTC

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Papik;131571

To be honest, it's a bit disappointing.
You'll ruin the fun for people like this, and you're still far from the correct solution with this general strategy.

Don't pay attention. One person has lost interest... If you browse the forum, you'll see that this isn't happening for the first time... ;)

Everyone else is playing, they just haven't gotten to this thread yet...

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Vanechka

11/29/2007 2:53 PM UTC

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Forrest;131556

I remembered an old puzzle of mine. It came to me while playing.

There's a hero with no movement points left. Zero mana. The hero's army consists of 1 Greater Wyvern (which has been speeded up). He is standing on the highest tree.
Can this hero capture this highest tree this turn (he can't move his army)? If so, how?
(This is based on a real game, so the limitations are:
-max level 20 hero
-max stats of 10)

Forrest,
is the hero any hero? Are the artifacts any artifacts? Or is the point to specify which hero and which artifacts are needed to do this? Maybe a save file would help?
Also, maybe we should create a subforum, and have a separate topic for each puzzle? So we don't have a mishmash.

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AmberSoler

11/30/2007 4:24 PM UTC

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I sent my answer to the author in a private message. It was quite an interesting task after all... I had to put in some effort, although I thought it would be easier... :D

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Papik

11/30/2007 5:19 PM UTC

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AmberSoler;131881

Sent my answer to the author in a private message. It was quite an interesting task... I had to work on it, although I thought it would be easier... :D

I sent a comment in a private message, but I think that's the best way to do it :) It's better to send everything to me via ICQ anyway :) for a faster response... mine :)
It seems that only one person is solving the problem:)).

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AmberSoler

12/1/2007 9:02 AM UTC

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Papik;131532

...the problem has an exact answer and several solution options - and strictly defined solutions.

Hmm... now there's doubt about the fairness of this comment... ;)

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Forrest

12/4/2007 11:12 AM UTC

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Vanechka;131608

Forrest,
any hero? any artifacts? or should we specify which hero and which artifacts are needed? maybe we should just upload the save file?
And also: maybe we can create a subforum, and have a separate topic for each task? so as not to make a mess?

Of course, any hero and any artifacts. I already wrote that. Find out what they are and what the solution is. Well, does nobody know? :)

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Деконтаминатор

12/5/2007 7:17 AM UTC

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Forrest;132963

Of course, any and all. I already wrote that. Finding what exists is the solution. Well, does no one know? :)

Should I answer in this thread or where should I write?

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Forrest;132963

Of course, any and all. I already wrote that. Finding what exists is the solution. Well, does no one know? :)

Thanks to the cloak of speed (+2), we move first. The Cursed Armor slows down the dragonflies. With Thunderclap (appears in the spellbook after visiting the Conflux with the Grail), starting from the upper left or lower left squad, we eliminate the dragonflies one by one. We fly around like a duck so that they can't reach us. Depending on the situation, it's better to take the Hive on the next turn. Will that work? :smile32:

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Kamikaze

12/5/2007 10:03 AM UTC

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Answer to Forrest's riddle: We take Tazara. We equip him with the Elixir of Life, the Roar of the Titan, a Necklace (all +3), Holy Boots, and a Cloak of Speed, and that's enough. We give him expert Armor, Offense, Luck, and Morale. And even with autobattle, he tears through 90 flies.

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Thanks to the Cloak of Speed (+2), we go first. Cursed Armor slows down the dragonflies. With Roar of the Titan (appears in the spellbook after visiting Conflux with the Grail), starting from the upper left or lower left squad, we eliminate the dragonflies one by one. We fly around like a duck so that they can't reach us. Depending on the situation, it's better to take the Hive on the next turn. Does that work? :smile32:

But how do you equip both Cursed Armor and Roar of the Titan???

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In general, I think you can use Cursed Armor + Elixir, or Angel Alliance + Elixir, which should also work.

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Although, some questions arise, because it's very simple:

Can this hero take the maximum number of trees in this turn?

- Why specifically in this turn, so that there isn't a solution like: on the next turn, he goes, adds 100 Archangels, and wins the battle against the Hive? -