Connection ErrorBad RequestThis page went staleSession ExpiredSign in requiredForbiddenNot FoundToo Many RequestsServer ErrorBad GatewayService UnavailableGateway TimeoutHTTP Version Not Supported
Session Expired
Your session has expired. Please log in to continue.
Sign in required
You need an account to do that. Sign in or create one — it only takes a minute.
This page went stale
Your security token was rejected, usually because the page sat open too long or you signed in elsewhere. Nothing was saved. Reload the page and try again.
Request Failed
We encountered an issue while processing your request.
Please check your internet connection and try again.
Error Details:
Share Link
Posts from Expedition: general discussions.Auto-translated
Astral, are you joking or do you really not understand what I'm unhappy about? I searched the entire Asuguh for the bag. If I had found it, I would have immediately joined everyone. But Revan decided to deliberately not give it to me. And I deliberately decided not to go anywhere without it. Because without it, the amphibian's perk is worthless. And as you can see, there have been similar "interactions with NPCs" here before. So there's no point in "dragging this out" any further. You can manage without me...
But this is an interesting point. Did Revan really deliberately not give it to you, or is it that you didn't go to the right location and talk to the right person? My half-dragon had a similar detective investigation; she went around looking for clues, and in the end, she went to the wrong place and was recruited by the leader of the cult and lost the ability to make independent decisions. Well, not really lost, it seems everything is fine, but if the heroine's desires and goals don't align with the cult's goals, the leader quickly corrects her thinking from a distance, and whether she likes it or not, she follows the storyline. But the GM didn't force her to go and meet the cultists, and no matter how you look at it, their leader helped complete the quest. It's just that the price turned out to be too high.Heroist
died for something that never existed
But how could a naive little girl know about this?
Added 2 minutes ago I remember Livia; she didn't even know about the existence of Nesh and Altus. She believed in love, goodness, and justice!
I can assume that such an item simply didn't exist from a gameplay perspective. And if Revan had given it, the game would have introduced mechanics for wet characters, equipment loss due to water, and other things that would be inconvenient for the other players.
I can assume that such an item simply didn't exist from a gameplay perspective. And if Revan had given it, the game would have introduced mechanics like wet characters, equipment loss due to water, and other things that would be inconvenient for the other players.
Even so. I thought it was about some artifact that fits the game's lore.
Even so. I thought you were talking about some artifact that would fit the game's lore.
We're talking about a case that would protect Yashur's equipment from water. Yashur's champion was focused on a water-based build and could do a lot, but... all the battles in the main game were strictly land-based. There was nothing to suggest that such an item was needed. Or that it even existed.
That's an interesting point. Did Revan simply refuse, or was it a matter of you not reaching the correct location and talking to the right person?
Well, how can I put it... One guy asked for 500 resources, which I didn't have. Another guy asked for 200 resources but didn't want to show the "item." He wanted me to pay first, and then it would turn out that it wasn't what I needed. I could have given him 200 resources, but not for a "pig in a poke." A third asked for 300 resources. But it was "money in the morning, the goods in the evening." And the fourth gave the character Loken a cool katana for free, but first insulted me and then killed me... In short, judge for yourself, but I think he simply didn't want to give it... And I'm not going to tolerate this kind of attitude from NPCs towards player characters without the option of "giving them a beating."
Added 5 minutes ago AstralLein
I can assume that such an item simply didn't exist in the game mechanics. And if Revan had given it, the game would have introduced mechanics for wet characters, equipment loss due to water, and other things that would be inconvenient for other players.
I once asked, "Are backpacks in the game waterproof?" Revan ignored my question. Then I tested it with a "towel." It turned out that it doesn't protect. And this isn't about "swimming," but about "being underwater for a long time." And yes, "it didn't exist" for me. I think for another player, it might have... And not because "the GM is a nasty guy," but because I allowed myself to "consider different options" instead of "going with the flow." It seems that's not appreciated here.
Added 3 minutes ago AstralLein
We're talking about a case that would protect Yaschur's equipment from water. Yaschur's champion was leveling up in a water-based religion and really knew a lot, but... all the battles in the main game were strictly land-based. Nowhere was it said that such an item was needed. Or that it even exists.
Astral, you should take a look at where the obelisks are located... I managed to read half of your AA. Whirlpools, icebergs, pirates... I already know all this. So, no need to...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
I played well and handed over the reins to Ment. It was difficult for me because of the time difference + in terms of roleplaying, Libya was quite passive, so the ending was quite natural, and I have no hard feelings.
Added 2 minutes later Evil Lizard
Well, the fourth one gave the character Loken a cool katana for free, and first insulted my character, and then killed him... In general, judge for yourself, and I think that yes, he didn't want to give it...
Here, you need to consider the context: what do the character Loken and this master have in common, and why didn't this master like your character.
Well, even though there were so many options, it wasn't that crucial, I just didn't want to use them. Author
And in the fourth game, the character Locken got a cool katana for free.
It's interesting why that happened... Could it be that this character enjoyed working on a clearly awesome blade and turning it into an outstanding weapon, but he found working on something random uninteresting? No, that's not possible - the GM just decided to favor one player and put obstacles in the way of another.
And if you listen to the player with the diploma based on experience, it turns out that roleplaying and the characters' actions don't matter at all - if the GM likes the player's nickname, everything will be great for them, but if not, then it won't.
I don't want to spoil the drama, but when Ushur had a quest location and a certain item that were incompatible, he just... left it at home.
The issue here is probably that Yashur wanted to have access to items, for example, on the same ship, when they are needed. And not just leave them and forget about them. That's why he continued to search for the mysterious artifact.
I don't want to spoil the drama, but when Ushu had a quest location and a certain item that were incompatible, he just... left it at home.
And Ushu, by any chance, didn't forget what happened to Erika's house? And yes, I didn't feel like swimming who knows where without diaries. Especially when you haven't gotten practically anything for free throughout the entire game. The only one, by the way!!! Well, maybe Arandor could compete in this regard, but he is practically absent...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
Whether to get something for free or not is a matter of role-playing and whether the hero ended up in the right area. Revan's argument is also valid: "the master wanted to create a super-sword, but didn't want to deal with something unclear that was clearly outside his area of expertise" – this is quite reasonable.
In different expansions, I had characters who got something for free somewhere. What about the handsome Shen! A great guy, a sweetheart, a slightly less naive male version of Livia, he would fit into the JoJo universe if I had known what it was back then, and he even had a son, although he doesn't know about it. And there were those who not only didn't get anything for free but ended up dying in a village outhouse from poisonous fruits. And whether to eat the fruit or not is entirely his decision, not something the GM should force him to do.
For example, in Nebka's game, I played a very promiscuous sorceress who the blacksmith (and not only him) treated as an average woman, which she basically was. What did she get in return? A discount on a helmet, not even a gift
It's interesting why it happened that way... Could it be that this character enjoyed working on a clearly awesome blade and turning it into an outstanding weapon, but found working on something random uninteresting? No, that's not possible – the GM simply decided to favor one player and put obstacles in the way of another.
But why? I fully expected that guy to refuse. But that he would refuse, not resort to insults and act like a "god." To walk around, endure mockery and insults from every NPC and think, "Could this be a god?" No, that's too much for me...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
Нэйко
kcfgogbfalgfl