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#163
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AstralLein
Thank you for the walkthrough and the detailed story. To be honest, I'm seeing this kind of scenario on Hero difficulty for the first time. What's going on in the AI's mind...

I didn't look at the scripts, but during the game, I had the thought that you specifically configured Jessica so that she wouldn't attack cities, and the player would have to figure out how to defeat her in the field. A normal AI with such a huge army, like hers, should play more aggressively on Hero difficulty. It's also possible that this is a side effect of setting priorities for the computer; I don't know.

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The funniest thing is that there's nothing like that on the map. There's some unclear reason within the AI itself, but it's very difficult to figure out exactly what it is.
I figured out what happened. There was a caravan left from the green player that was heading to the Eastern Rampart. It wasn't blocking the path to the city, but for some reason, it was making Jessica stand still. If you remove it with a cheat, she immediately attacks the city.
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I played through this scenario on Hero difficulty again, as last time I felt like I hadn't quite won (because of that caravan incident).
WalkthroughThis time, I decided to play without using war machines. I got Mentoring, Spell Power, and Defense as my skills, but I had very bad luck with magic. When Ter-Gelat arrived, Kolger was only level 19 and only had basic Light magic. So, through Mentoring, I taught Helmar the Holy Word spell, and he killed all of Ter-Gelat's undead in just a few attacks. Kolger easily finished off the wolves. After that, instead of immediately capturing Eastern Rampart, I completed the quest with the mummies, then dispelled Fallen Belged and developed it well. I also accumulated enough mercury so that Lorik could immediately buy Dark magic spells in the library. Only after that did I capture Eastern Rampart, and I immediately bought Subjugation and Berserk for Lorik, transferring the entire army to him. Jessica arrived, and this time she also acted strangely: some days she made a full move, and other days she clearly moved less. But in the end, she attacked Fallen Belged, where Lorik was stationed. She had a large army - 231 horses, other strong units, and for some reason, Nightblades. I easily won the battle on the first try: I only used my troops to break the war machines and used Dodge once, then just used Defense to avoid retaliation. Jessica's troops killed each other under the effect of Berserk, and the towers and the hero finished off the remaining knights. After that, I only played as Lorik: I went on the offensive, defeated the blue heroes, and captured two cities. Then I ran around the map to collect a set of Gnomish artifacts and get the Hammer. I also won the battle against Kirdan on the first try, using the same tactics as with Jessica (only this time in the field, not in the castle): the troops always defend, and we defeat everyone with Dark magic. I completed the game in 152 days; I didn't play for speed, and after defeating Jessica, I ran around the map for a long time again.

What can I say after replaying it? The scenario is good; the main thing is not to rush so that the playthrough is enjoyable even on Hero difficulty. It can become hardcore if you play strategically poorly (capturing Eastern Rampart too early, before you're ready for the battle with Jessica). You don't need to be afraid that Jessica will accumulate a lot of horses; they will end up hurting each other more under the effect of Berserk. I saved replays of the battles with Jessica and Kirdan to add to the comments.
Thank you very much for the map!
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Ter-Gelat applies a permanent Berserk. Is it permanent because of underdeveloped Light magic, or is it permanently unremovable? Should I not play with this hero, or change the build?
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According to the standard rules, a spell is removed with a certain chance, which noticeably decreases if the hero's Light skill is lower than the opponent's Darkness skill. But, if my memory serves me correctly, Berserk cannot be removed, unlike Subjugation. However, I'm not entirely sure. I don't remember some of the mechanics very well. Let someone clarify this question.
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I haven't been able to complete the game with any of the heroes, even though I don't consider myself a weak player. Everything depends on luck: what magic is in the tower, what skills will be available. You need to build a specific strategy for Ter Gelat; if you're unlucky with the initial setup, you have to start over. It's disappointing.
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I couldn't beat him even once, although I don't consider myself a weak player. It all depends on luck: what magic is in the tower, what skills will drop. You need to build a specific strategy for Ter-Gelat; if you're unlucky with the setup, start over. It's a shame.
Yesterday, I just wanted to say that Ter-Gelat is better defeated with magic, not with troops, but in some cases, this advice won't be very helpful.
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AstralLein
Sharing tips between players is a normal practice that can be found under all my maps.
I just didn't know your attitude towards this, and I also think it's normal to discuss how to beat Ter-Gelat. Different ways to defeat him have already been described in the comments.
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Whew! I managed to win. But it's not really my achievement; it's just that the scenario started with a favorable setup. I defeated Ter Gelat with a holy word and a ballista, and I placed weaker units between the main forces so that they wouldn't suffer too much during a berserk attack. The map is really interesting. And yes, I expected that, like in other maps, both heroes would participate in the battle against the main villain, taking turns.

It's not enjoyable when you win easily; it's enjoyable when you overcome challenges after many efforts, changing tactics and approaches.

Thank you for the map.

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  Hi, author. I even registered on the forum for the first time to appreciate your work. Before I start, I'll clarify that I usually play on Warrior or Veteran difficulty, and I never even touch Hero difficulty; it's too much of a hassle, and I'm not that skilled of a player. Knowing that the map was difficult, I set it to Normal. Now, about the game itself.

  The beginning is cool, with Godrick attacking you right away, and you have to win the first battle. Although, it's unclear why Godrick is there, since he's been dead for a long time. I unfortunately lost the first week because the neutrals were too strong at the beginning, so I just ran around with my heroes, exploring the territory. In the second week, I started to make progress, and after quickly leveling up to level 10, it became a little easier. I decided to play with machines and light, so there were no more problems with clearing the territory. Of course, I tried to capture the town in the quest, but I sensed some kind of trick, that it might activate some script, so I saved beforehand. And I was right. Indeed, a blue player immediately runs up with a large army. So, I rolled back and didn't touch the castle yet. Soon, a green player suddenly appeared, somehow managing to break through the horde of archdevils (I found out how he did it when I met him). I thought, "Okay, I'll go and quickly defeat him." I did defeat him, but he casts Berserk, which was an unpleasant surprise for me. And my light is not fully upgraded, so I can't remove it. After defeating him, I immediately ran to capture his town and had to fight him again. But even that result didn't satisfy me, and I decided to do it differently. In general, during the game, I noticed that he wouldn't attack the castle when I wanted to defend it. I don't know if it's intentional or not, but no matter what I did, he wouldn't touch my town, ignoring it. Instead, he attacked random heroes. So, I sent the heroes away from him, and while he was distracted by them, I quickly took his town, and then returned to my own to gather my army. And when he ran to his town, I quickly caught him and this time, with a larger force, I defeated him with much fewer losses; his berserk didn't save him this time. 

  With that, all the difficulties of the game ended. From this point on, it became a simple, easy walk across the map. I rebuilt the cursed town, making my troops a little bigger and stronger, and then took the quest town and ran to the top. I didn't take Lorica, I left Colgar. I didn't mentor, the upgrade was fine for me. Jessica ran up again, this time with an even larger army. But this time, I wasn't afraid of her like I was the first time. I defeated her without much effort; the dwarves are strong on their own, and with light, they simply become a killing machine. And so on, I continued to walk around the map, destroying everything, while completing the quest in the cave with the necromancer. I also easily defeated Kirdan, although I didn't get the correct ending the first time.

  Well, overall, I liked the map. The scenario is very good. A pleasant and interesting plot, well-written dialogues (although they were long, so I had to read them faster, which wasn't very convenient), excellently designed locations, and the map design pleased me. I rarely play fan-made scenarios, only if there's something interesting. And this map is now one of my favorites. 

  The only thing I didn't understand from a lore perspective is that, as I understand it, about 200 years have passed since Dark Messiah. And here, in the plot, Sareth chose his father's side, freeing him from prison. But how did it happen that they still haven't destroyed all of Ashan? After all, freeing Kha-Beleth meant literally the end of everything, and quite a significant amount of time has passed. That's the only thing I didn't understand. But otherwise, everything is excellent.
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Oh, that Godric) It's not the same Godric, just a namesake. There are some difficulties with renaming.

The plot is based on the idea that Kha-Belekh doesn't want to destroy Ashan, because if there is no peace, there are no demons either. He wants to divide and rule, not blindly sow chaos. It wouldn't be cool to die together with Ashan later)

Thanks for the walkthrough) Recently, this map has seen a significant influx of new players)
Карты для героев 5

"Плата за любовь"
"Путь некроманта"
"Темные грани"
"Рок Гримхейма"

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