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Posts from Suggestion for a friendly resource. Worth discussing!
If it's a tournament, I'm ready to play for the heroes.by team or for HeroesWorld (I'm a member of the HW clan). In TE with all innovations disabled except the interface.
Same here. Since as far as I saw, no one objected to my post about at least the advantage of the interface, I'm also ready to play a tournament on that version. And if I'm invited to a clan, I won't refuse either :)
Added after 7 minutes And now, dear participants, let's end this on a positive note — when everyone, in the heat of emotion, has already said many different things to each other, let's allow ourselves not to write ANOTHER SINGLE word about advantages, disadvantages, mutual grievances, or insults. Right now, I see that both sides have spoken, and at this stage, they fundamentally won't tell each other anything new. As the person in some sense responsible for this whole undertaking, I will risk promising on my part that I will personally try to "take out" individuals who attempt to speak disrespectfully about your resource and start the "TE-ole ole ole" song again, according to our democratic laws :). Well, your side immediately confirmed its desire for cooperation; both sides simply lacked some diplomatic skills to easily reach a consensus. P.S.: I'd like to somewhat justify comrade Balamut in your eyes — his methods, though they may seem crude, it's precisely thanks to such a tough approach that the heroes.by resource exists and develops, and it's only thanks to him that a fairly large roster of players has been gathered there (about 80 people regularly playing online). I know Stepan personally — he came from Minsk to visit me in Mariupol — he's a good guy and not even malicious :) but his attitude is military-style :) And now let's be quiet for a bit... calm down... think.
I played on TE... since you're so interested, listen to me too:) TE is definitely adapted for online play, it's very convenient, and neutral creatures don't have morale, you can't use diplomacy, Solmyr doesn't have lightning, and there are all sorts of fancy mods with tents... but if a SOD was created with the TE interface, I would only play that. I really didn't like how they treated the Necromancers in TE, most of the free heroes, and they reworked a lot of things in general, invented classes (so that schoolboy-like or keen-eyed skills would be more useful) - I don't understand this:smile32:, Slow 2 doesn't work on cursed ground, tax, creature experience (it's very annoying when an enemy's tier 6 Gremlin has the speed of an Obsidian Gargoyle, and therefore it defeats your tier 6 creature with an arrow, which is marching with a larger army, fully confident of victory...) how can this be called "the same SOD"? Perhaps the most important thing I don't like about TE is that they prefer SOD or Platinum, promising the same SOD that wasn't even close to being there. But overall, TE is a good thing...
The main goal is cooperation, mutual respect, and support, as I understand it? I registered on your forum today, but I'll warn you right away, everything that is said about my level of play is shameless flattery, not corresponding to reality. Let's respect each other, help each other, and of course, play:)
I played the Tournament Edition... since you're so interested, listen to me too:) Tournament Edition is definitely adapted for online play, it's very convenient, and neutral creatures don't have morale, and you can't use diplomacy, and Solmyr doesn't have lightning, and there are all sorts of fancy mods with tents... but if a SOD (Sword of Destruction) with the Tournament Edition interface was created, I would only play that. I really didn't like how they treated the Necromancers in Tournament Edition, most of the easy-to-get heroes, and they reworked a lot of things in general, invented classes (so that schoolboy skills or keen eye would be a more useful skill) - I don't understand this:smile32:, Slow 2 skill - won't work on cursed ground, tax, creature experience (it's very annoying when an enemy's tier 6 Gremlin has the speed of an Obsidian Gargoyle, and therefore it defeats your tier 6 hero with an arrow, who is marching with a larger army, fully confident in victory...) how can this be called "the same SOD"? Perhaps the most important thing I don't like about Tournament Edition is that they prefer SOD or Platinum, promising the same SOD, which wasn't even close to what it was. But overall, Tournament Edition is a good thing...
The main goal is cooperation, mutual respect, and support, as I understand it? I registered on your forum today, but I warn you right away, everything that is said about my level of play is shameless flattery, not corresponding to reality. Let's respect each other, help each other, and of course, play:)
You played the later version, with all settings enabled, apparently (and many, including me, still disable many things - for example, experience for monsters; disabling morale for neutral units, and so on - we leave all this as in SOD). And if you disable everything, it will be like SOD, only much more convenient for multiplayer.
"Tournament Edition is worth playing just because of the incomparably more convenient interface. Remember what you always ran out of time for in Heroes. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority will say that the most time is spent on transferring items between heroes. Let's say we have six heroes involved in the transfer. We need to transfer all seven troop slots. Even with excellent mouse skills, you'll have to spend five seconds on each pair of heroes, and the transfer will take about half a minute. This is in a very good case. Often, you need to transfer not only heroes but also artifacts, then the transfer time will increase even more. In Tournament Edition, to exchange troops between two heroes, you need to click on one button. To transfer artifacts - another one. In total, each exchange takes a second, maximum a second and a half. Even very complex transfers through 8-10 heroes don't take that much time. The second most time-consuming thing is separating units before battles. The same story - to separate one unit from each of the five slots to absorb the first attack, you need to click the mouse 10 times in different places. A good result here will also be about five seconds. In Tournament Edition - just one click. If in SOD I sometimes barely had 4 minutes just to move around as I want, then in Tournament Edition my turn always takes no more than one or two minutes.
I don't know... TE is a good thing... but what I don't like about it is the slowdown at level 2 magic (I failed in an offline tournament because of this... I mean, I was playing with TE). But it has many great options that (in my opinion) I miss in SoD.
2 Papik, Forrest, Ta Ko, Gynnar, Volodymyr, Balamut: create a topic in the Online Games section and describe your tactics in Heroes specifically for the TE version. It would also be a good idea to add a comparison with SoD. Describe the rules by which tournaments are held on your hiros.by - I'm sure this information will not be superfluous. Of course, this will raise a number of questions, but by answering them you will keep your word - to unite fans of Heroes III ;). Then, - respect for you and your opinion. Perhaps you will learn something from us as well...:) (after all, there are also smart people on HeroesWorld ;)). After the discussions in this topic, you may well find like-minded people, and your opponents, in turn, will want to test and refute your words, i.e. a plan for the tournament will already be in place ;), and from there it's not far to a battle of the forums ;).
With respect. Don Carlos Chezarro Ley.
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
Excuse me for jumping into the discussion, but these words just irritate me: Gynnar;129813
If you disable everything, it will be like SoD, but much more convenient for multiplayer.
- because it's a lie!
For some reason, people always forget about the magic adjustments... there are no "checkboxes" for magic. As far as I understand from my conversation with Horn, by the way, a big thank you to him for this conversation, the magic adjustments were not made with scripts, but by replacing the configuration file.
Regarding the interface - undoubtedly, the TE interface is at the highest level.
From the above, it follows that TE with all the "checkboxes" disabled is not SoD. And a player who has not played TE before the tournament is at a disadvantage, because he is not used to the fact that, for example, the slow effect is on the second level, and that the portal to the city is located in the Fire Magic.
From my conversation with Horn, I understood that TE will never be the same as SoD; on the contrary, it will move further and further away from it (in terms of balance, i.e., the skills, magic, etc., will differ). Whether this is good or bad is a complex and ambiguous question. But the fact remains: TE is not SoD. Therefore, saying: Gynnar;129813
If you disable everything, it will be like SoD, but much more convenient for multiplayer.
means lying! :mad:
Sincerely.
P.S. by the way, there are bugs in TE too... ;) P.P.S. Sorry if it came across as harsh, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
to Forrest: ok, I'll be more tolerant, you've convinced me.
Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
From the above, it follows that TE with all "checkboxes" unchecked is not SoD.]
Yes, that's correct; saying that TE with all options disabled is SoD is certainly wrong. Theoretically, there are very many differences that already exist, which were introduced so long ago that we (TE players) have already forgotten them.
And a player who hasn't played TE before the tournament is in clearly worse conditions, since they aren't used to, for example, slow being on the second level, and the Town Portal being in Fire Magic.
What is this about? Not entirely clear.
From a conversation with Horn, I understood that TE will never be the same as SoD
Yes, TP is in fire magic, slow on level 2, you can also rebuild the Mages' Guild, DD in water, and much more. And there is a logical explanation for all of this. Most importantly, no one is hiding it; there is a file where everything is described, all the differences :) But the essence of the game itself hasn't changed at all; why does TP in fire scare you so much? If you don't know about it—yes, I agree. It's just that everyone who says they won't play TE is afraid that something was changed there, but not a single one tries to analyze why it was done :) I'll ask another question of this kind—why do you play on SoD 3,2 and 4,0? Why not play "The Restoration of Erathia"?
Therefore, saying:
this means lying! :mad:
Yes, indeed, Gunnar is a vile liar, let's hang him :D He wants to deceive everyone and lure them into playing TE; the only question is why would Gunnar want that?
I apologize for intruding on the discussion, but these words simply irritate me:
- because it's a lie!
For some reason, people always forget about the magic adjustments... there are no "checkboxes" for magic. As far as I understand from my conversation with Horn, by the way, a big thank you to him for this conversation, the magic adjustments were not made with scripts, but by replacing the configuration file.
Regarding the interface - undoubtedly, the TE interface is at the highest level.
From the above, it follows that TE with all the "checkboxes" disabled is not SOD. And a player who has not played TE before the tournament is at a disadvantage, because he is not used to the fact that, for example, slow is on the second level, and the portal to the city is in the Fire Magic.
From my conversation with Horn, I understood that TE will never be the same as SOD; on the contrary, it will become even more different from it in the future (in terms of balance, i.e., the skills, magic, etc., will differ). Whether this is good or bad is a complex and ambiguous question. But the fact remains: TE is not SOD. Therefore, saying:
means lying! :mad:
Sincerely.
P.S. by the way, there are also bugs in TE... ;) P.P.S. Sorry if it came across as harsh; I didn't mean to offend anyone.
to Forrest: ok, I'll be more tolerant; you've convinced me.
You could be a little more careful with your words, sir.... Firstly, I didn't know that this couldn't be turned off (since I never used these checkboxes myself; I always took the game with the checkboxes already set where needed and played (I just asked for this or that to be done, and this or that to be removed)). Secondly, when we played at Loch Ness and everyone turned things off, even the heroes were all the old SOD heroes (and in TE, heroes don't have 4th-level magic; heroes like Moloch are banned, and the skills of many other heroes have been changed). And thirdly, I just called Horn, and he confirmed that magic cannot be made exactly the same as in SOD with checkboxes (although only the location of a few spells has been changed, more precisely - slow is on the second level, the town portal is in Fire, the dimension door is in Water Magic, Armageddon is on the fifth level (this way, almost all spellbooks have become equal, and not like in SOD before, where only the Earth and Air spellbooks mattered)). But Horn said, what's the problem? To return slow to the first level, for example, you just need to change the 2 to a 1 in the script, and that's it.... (this takes a couple of seconds; it's quite possible to ask Horn to do this for all the spells that turned out to be on a different level or in a different element, if Heroesworld wants).
And also, Horn said that there are still things that cannot be turned off with buttons - read the manual (the same as transferring troops between heroes with one button, SOD bugs, etc.)
Guys, why does everything always end in arguments? We're discussing a friendly resource, for goodness sake! Sure, TE is not the same as SoD, but why fight about it? I apologize if something is wrong, but Forest, maybe you shouldn't change your attitude toward the entire resource so radically because of a quarrel with a few people?
I'll allow myself to go off-topic, hoping it won't be deleted immediately.
If you analyze it, this post RAPER;129768
of course, we understand.... that's why we want to find a compromise=;);) but you started the discussion a little bit incorrectly;)
is also off-topic, but Kyle somehow deleted only Forrest's post, which contained only a request to be more tolerant, addressed to Kyle. And the request was absolutely relevant, because what was written below Kyle;129957
P.P.S. Sorry if it came across as harsh, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
doesn't really change the essence of the post.
We actually came to visit you :) , and on the 3rd day, you already started cutting our posts, but very hospitably. :(
You come to us and say: "Let's play on TE." We respond: "Why? We like SoD." You: TE is better. We: We know, but we like SoD. You: But TE is the same as SoD, only better.
But in reality, TE is not SoD; whether it's better or worse is a separate question, and we are not discussing that now.
Furthermore: You claim you want to help us with online gaming. Thank you. To help us with online gaming, we need to establish rules for online games, create a ranking system, and organize regular tournaments. If you can help us with all of this, we will be very grateful. But everything boils down to one catch: You play on TE and don't want to switch, and we play on SoD and also don't want to switch. Why don't we want to? Let me explain: Let's take your portal as an example – do many new players come to play there? Probably not many, otherwise you wouldn't have come here. TE is a professional thing, and new players rarely join it because, let's say, someone who has always played on SoD comes along. They are told: "Okay, install TE, read the file with the differences, and you can start playing with us." Now put yourself in that newbie's shoes. For them, participating in a tournament is already something new... and then there's another game that seems similar but different. And they immediately feel like giving up and continuing to play their favorite SoD because they are either afraid or too lazy to figure out something new. That player doesn't participate in tournaments and doesn't improve. They are lost. If tournaments were held on SoD, they might not have been lost. Furthermore, our portal focuses on attracting new players into the community of fans of this wonderful game. Therefore, we try not to scare people away but rather attract them. If we held tournaments on TE, we would not have such an influx of new players. They simply wouldn't stay.
That's why we don't want to change the game version. Of course, everything I said applies largely to offline gaming, but it also applies to online gaming.
Therefore, if you really want to offer friendly help, then
stop pushing TE
don't mention your portal in every topic, whether appropriate or not, as it looks very much like advertising. for example, this: Gynnar;129082
Greetings Guru Forrest, guys, listen to what he says, because he plays Heroes like a pro and knows what he's talking about (he just doesn't play here, but on Heroes.by; it's very useful to read the game reports there – you can learn a lot)
organize a tournament. Preferably on SoD.
I sincerely hope that you will understand me correctly. After all, misunderstandings are often the cause of most problems and disputes. Forrest
Are they starting to delete my posts!? Great! This was the last one on ХВ.
If you are an intelligent person, think about why I deleted that post. And I hope you will understand. If not, we have a topic: Dialogues with Moderators where we can discuss why I deleted your post. ;)
Sincerely.
Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
Volodymyr
