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Alex_R

11/23/2007 11:42 AM UTC

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Forrest;129565

Where did you draw that conclusion from? :)
Or is it something like "Offline players are the best..."?

Any narrow specialization has its drawbacks.
Simply put, your top players are trained for specific conditions – they lack versatility.

Forrest;129565

I wrote what I saw – I read 30-40 posts where people talk about playing online for 3-4 months. About "Immediately focusing on Capitol, then everything else," and so on.
I'm not saying that everyone has a low level, but those who wrote this.
I didn't want to offend anyone, I just wrote what I think. 99% of people, after reading this and forgetting about flattery, will say that the skill level of those who wrote this is low.

Everyone compares based on their own experience – and that doesn't mean that the people who wrote these posts play the same way you do, or play the same games as you do...
P.S. There is no proof that your skill level is higher than theirs.

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Forrest

11/23/2007 11:43 AM UTC

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Alex_R;129561

Self-confidence is a good thing!:smile01:
But there are a few nuances!!!
1. What do your top players play (specifically)?
2. The words have no basis (there is nothing and no one to compare with):smile08:

They play Heroes 3: The Restoration of Erathia (random maps, HL and L 200 or 160). They can also play Shades of Darkness (at the beginning of the topic, there are links to our match with the Heroes community, according to their rules and on their version of SoD 3.2, which we won 5-1).

Regarding the basis. For example, we have players who are winners of face-to-face online tournaments in St. Petersburg and Minsk with prize pools. I think this is objective? In terms of having grounds to make such a statement.

Kamikaze

11/23/2007 11:44 AM UTC

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to Forrest:
you play TE, right? Right.
How do you compare TE and SOD? "Like, they're the same thing but better,"
or "Boots of Levitation aren't given in Utopia, isn't that super."
Here we play SOD, and we think the opposite. Therefore, players can only be compared after obtaining information for analysis. That is, only after a game, or better yet a large number of games, can one claim that your Fathers will crush HeroesWorld!

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Forrest

11/23/2007 11:47 AM UTC

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Alex_R;129570

Any narrow specialization has its drawbacks.
Simply put, your top fighters are trained for specific conditions – they lack versatility.

Again, the conclusion is unclear. If people are champions in tournaments with random maps and fixed maps, does that mean they are versatile? :confused: I understand that no.

Alex_R;129570

Everyone compares based on their own perspective – and that doesn't mean that the people who wrote these posts are playing the same game as you, or playing it in the same way as you...

Well, is the topic about 3 heroes/tactics, or is it open to interpretation?

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invisible

11/23/2007 11:50 AM UTC

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I wrote what I saw – I read 30-40 posts where people talked about online games in the 3-4 month period. About "building the Capitol right away, then everything else."

I also initially came to the same conclusion when I saw something similar in a report. BUT:
1. Our first tournament was at 200%, and the tactics differ significantly from 160%, especially on very resource-poor maps.
2. If you looked at the map on which that game was played (if I understand correctly, you took this statement from the reports of the seasonal tournament?), you would change your mind. If there isn't a single chest, crypt, nagabank, or anything else, there's nothing to buy even a third hero with – so how would you build "first a stable in the castle" if there's nothing to build with, and the income is +500, and you can't get money anywhere, even with a large army. Therefore, sometimes you have to build the Capitol first, because the map creator didn't provide any other source of income. This was also strange for me at first, because I was used to playing on 160%. :smile33:
And to the point: if you have ready-made rules for tournaments, why not create a thread with the rules and an invitation to participate in a tournament today? ;) Just to be clear, if this is on the Test Environment, then most likely few people will support the idea. But on SoD (Shadow of Death), please do.

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Forrest

11/23/2007 11:51 AM UTC

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Kamikaze;129573

to Forrest:
you are playing TE, right? Right.

Well, do you think we started playing TE immediately?
Obviously, everyone played SoD for several years.

As for whether they'll tear us apart or not... that's not our goal.

Do you believe that cooperation between sites is unnecessary and useless? well, that's your right. I believe the opposite, and I am sure there are people among you who feel the same way.

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Alex_R

11/23/2007 11:53 AM UTC

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Well, having titles is commendable.
1. But only about 5% of all Heroes fans participated in these championships, and as for HeroesWorld, I personally don't know if anyone from there participated!
2. And you, who dared to say that our level is low – what can you say about yourself?
3. The same goes for Balamut ;)

Kamikaze

11/23/2007 11:55 AM UTC

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About the difference between offline and online play. Economy? Yes. Battle tactics? No. In offline mode, you can hone your skills in battles against armies that are many times stronger than your own. And you can improve your skills separately for both "offline" and "online" modes. So, offline mode is a very important component of knowledge about the heroes.

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Alex_R

11/23/2007 11:59 AM UTC

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Forrest;129574

Is topic 3 about Heroes/tactics, or is it open to interpretation?

Please direct all complaints and evaluations to the authors of the messages – and not to the entire forum (otherwise, it is simply inappropriate).

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Kamikaze

11/23/2007 12:02 PM UTC

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Forrest;129577

Do you think that cooperation between websites is unnecessary and not beneficial? Well, that's your right. I think the opposite, and I'm sure you'll find people who think the same way.

Quite the contrary, I think cooperation is very much needed. Both for the portal and for each individual player.
Personally, I need knowledge because I'm not satisfied with my current level. :smile50:
We just had a few minor disagreements, that's all!

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And regarding poaching: that's nonsense. No one, I have no doubt about it, even thought about poaching anyone. Because it's impossible. So, we can stop discussing something that doesn't exist.

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Qwerty

11/23/2007 12:15 PM UTC

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On our forum, the main game version is SoD. It is available for purchase, so anyone who wants to can access it. We are ready to accept a team from another portal that wants to play SoD. After the organizational issues are resolved, the composition of the team on our side will be determined based on the number of players that the other resource will field. The team leaders will agree on the rules, and we can start playing. As for introducing TE on our forum, there have already been attempts, and in the end, they resulted in a conflict. As for the skill level of the players, it is better to return to this after the match. A match in SoD on our forum.

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Forrest

11/23/2007 12:23 PM UTC

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Alex_R;129580

Well, acknowledging achievements is commendable!
2. And you, daring to claim that our level is low – what would you say about yourself?

Well, I dared! :) It's a democracy, after all!
I wrote honestly about how things were. Would it have been better to say everything was great, while reading childish answers about game theory?
If you have many intelligent players in Heroes (I don't doubt it), why doesn't anyone answer newcomers or explain things to them?

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Alex_R

11/23/2007 12:30 PM UTC

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Forrest;129596

If you have many skilled players in Heroes (and I have no doubt that you do), why doesn't anyone answer the questions of newcomers or explain things to them?

There are various reasons:
1. Some people don't think it's necessary.
2. Some people simply don't have the time.
3. Some people don't want to.
4. And maybe some were waiting for someone like you ;)
P.S. There are many possibilities - I'm not responsible for everyone!

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Vigo

11/23/2007 12:30 PM UTC

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If you have many skilled players in Heroes (and I don't doubt that you do), why doesn't anyone answer the questions of newcomers or explain things to them?

Tol... We did explain things, didn't we? The questions are mostly about online play, and online play for Heroes III is just starting to gain popularity here! That's why no one is explaining things to newcomers yet:cool:

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Forrest

11/23/2007 12:39 PM UTC

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Vigo;129598

If you have many smart players in Heroes (I have no doubt that you do), why doesn't anyone answer beginners or explain things to them?

Tol... We explained it, didn't we? Since most of the questions are about online play, online play for Heroes III is just gaining momentum here! That's why no one is explaining things to beginners yet:cool:

Some topics are over a year old and have 10 pages :confused:
Just say that you're too lazy to do it. :)

Well, I'm not lazy. :)

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