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Papik

18 years ago

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Ley;129529

I certainly don't object to joint cooperation, because combining different skills is a good goal, I don't argue with that. But doesn't this excerpt from your portal prove the opposite? The seriousness of your post is not apparent.

It's appropriate to answer with Balamut's words: we have democracy here :) People have always been lazy and inert – this is a human trait. I only started thinking about establishing contact with your site yesterday!
There was no preparatory work, no 3-month campaign with distributing flyers, etc.:))-it was simply a group of enthusiasts, Papik and Forest, who took on this task.
- most people are just too lazy to do it, but I wasn't, because it breaks my heart to see that millions of people play Warcraft, while Heroes, a game that was more popular 3-4 years ago and which, according to statistics, has been played by 70%!!!! of all computer users on the planet, is now played by a pitiful few. I knew that Balamut would support the idea if someone took it up. So, there's no need to criticize our modest post on our site – people simply haven't even signed up for it, look at when the topic was created. And we write much more than you do.
Regarding the merger and ranking – if you want to know how we maintain the ranking, it's not a secret; you can ask Balamut.
Regarding being simpler – most of the people here are adults, educated, and literate, so I don't see the point in explaining everything in a "simple" way. As Balamut already said, the average age of our players is 25. I think yours is about the same.

Ley

18 years ago

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2 Forrest: in other words, are you saying that you are secondary, a backup?

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Forrest

18 years ago

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Ley;129529

I certainly don't object to joint collaboration, as combining different skills is a good goal, I agree. However, doesn't this excerpt from your portal prove the opposite? The question is, there's no sign of a serious attitude in your post.

Well, you put it nicely!
She told me that Balamut wrote everything. And I think he will write something as the website owner. I just quickly mentioned it so people would know it exists.

And is the rating only on your website? :) What's the point of that?
Do you have 1000 games played per year, even at the beginning?

You probably didn't understand, one of my goals is to help your players play better in online matches (in particular, to increase interest in this by organizing a match - this usually brings people together). I think I won't be wrong if I assume that there will be people who want to!<

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Balamut

18 years ago

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Ley;129529

moreover: you say that, please, calculate your rating, and we will calculate ours - one doesn't interfere with the other...; also, you write that your site will be an addition to ours...; so, let's have one rating for everyone on our site? what's the problem?

There's one small problem :) . It's that the current rating on heroes.bay (actually, there are two, a seasonal one and a permanent one) is not the site's rating. It's my personal rating. Just like the tournaments held by Starik (a player on heroes.bay) are his personal tournaments. And neither he, nor I, nor anyone else who wants to do something for others, and not just chat - no one will forbid them from doing this (rating, tournaments, anything else).
And I personally don't want to give up maintaining my rating yet.

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Papik

18 years ago

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Ley;129533

2 Forrest:

in other words, you're saying you're secondary, a backup?

Dear sir, why are you nitpicking at words?
Backup, secondary. It's always possible to identify stronger and weaker players, everywhere. Including among our real guys, you can identify 4-5 mega-strong players and say that the rest are secondary and backups. And among these 4-5, you can do the same again until only 1 mega-cool guy remains, and the rest will be - secondary.
What was the point of this comment?

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Forrest

18 years ago

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Ley;129533

2 Forrest:

in other words, are you saying that you are secondary, a backup?

I didn't quite understand the question...

Ley

18 years ago

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The post was quite justified. "We created a thread where we write that we are trying to establish contact and announce a possible match. RP stands for 'Real Guys' – it's something like the Champions League. They probably won't want to because, for a simple reason, there are a lot of tournaments right now, and they are already overwhelmed with games – they have a lot of unscheduled matches." – what's unclear about that? 2 Papik: Maybe I am being too critical, but you could also elaborate on that, based on your posts. The main point is that, from that post, it's not clear what your goal is. Is it just a regular game with strong opponents, or is it advertising your website, for example? It's hard to tell from the words you used whether you want to help us. You should have expressed yourself more clearly.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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invisible

18 years ago

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In my opinion, for this discussion to yield any results, we need to hold a tournament (even a small one) between our forums. Otherwise, we'll just talk and talk, and in the best-case scenario, we'll end up with nothing (and hopefully, we won't argue, which is something we really want to avoid). I think that after this tournament, there will be more mutual understanding. And in the future, we'll get used to each other and continue to discuss things. Regarding the fact that we don't have any established rules for online battles, what did you expect? You yourselves said that you have long-standing and well-tested rules that have evolved over the years. How can we judge rules that were written by some anonymous person on Saturday morning while hungover, using a template from another resource (by the way, permission was obtained for this)? Of course, saying that they are simply underdeveloped is an understatement. They need not only to be refined but also reworked. At least, we've already started playing online more often, which is a big plus.
So, let's hold a tournament and not argue.
And we can't judge the overall level of the forum based on the posts of certain individuals. Some people just write and discuss a lot, while others just play. ;) The tournament will put everything in its place.

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Balamut

18 years ago

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Alex_R;129531

Okay, but let's not take it personally.
1. Your opinion is not a reliable indicator of our knowledge level in Heroes 3.
2. The fact that you read or discussed something on our forum doesn't reflect the knowledge level of all users.
3. I'll say more - the fact that your resource specializes only in Heroes 3 online doesn't indicate a higher level of knowledge - quite the opposite! Especially since you simply have 100 times fewer people, IMHO.

Well, the fact that we have 100 times fewer people (by the way, where exactly - on the forum or among active players? ;) ) doesn't say anything about knowledge. And in general, knowledge is, in my opinion, the wrong word. But our top players play better than your top players. I'm not afraid to say that :smile10:.

Kamikaze

18 years ago

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Message from Forrest
I liked the atmosphere and activity on your forum. But, sorry, the level of knowledge about Heroes 3 surprised me with its low level.

Wow! Is it really that low? And who, may I ask, has such a low level of knowledge?
Share some knowledge of a higher level.

Индивидуальный и клановый рейтинги Heroes World
Handmade

Ley

18 years ago

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2 Kamikaze: it's high time to share ;)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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Balamut;129550

But our top players play better than your top players. I'm not afraid to say that :smile10:.

Self-confidence is good!:smile01:
But there are a few small nuances!!!
1. What do your top players play (specifically)?
2. The words have no basis (there is nothing and no one to compare with) :smile08:

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Forrest

18 years ago

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Alex_R;129531

I’ll say more – the fact that your resource specializes only in Heroes 3 online does not indicate a higher level of knowledge – quite the opposite!

Where did you draw such a conclusion from? :)
Or is it something like "Offline players are better..."?

I wrote what I saw – I read 30-40 posts where people talk about playing online after 3-4 months. About “Immediately build Capitol, then everything else,” and so on.
I didn't say that everyone has a low skill level, but those who wrote this do.
I didn't want to offend anyone; I just wrote what I think. 99% of people reading this will forget about flattery and say that the skill level of those who wrote this is low.

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Kamikaze;129559

Wow! Is it really that low? Who exactly are we talking about here???
At least share some knowledge at a higher level.

I’ve been sharing for 3 days now in many topics
/forum/section/105/

Ley

18 years ago

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those who write this are newbies :). Knowledge of the offline game is quite useful in the online game as well.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

Vigo

18 years ago

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Wow!!! What discussions! What people!:smile54:

Of course! It's no secret that some of the strongest Heroes 3 players are on the Bay.
Why not share experiences... Respect to Forrest for his educational and informative posts!

And on the other hand... The Bay community is getting crowded on their own resource, they want to develop and improve their skills in the game, they want to share their experience, what's wrong with that? What does "poaching" have to do with it? Everyone has their own head on their shoulders, and even if they "poach," no one forces anyone to "be poached"! Just like changing the classic SoD to TE:rolleyes:

Let's not argue about who is better, from which resource, and how they play... Let's just exchange experiences, learn, communicate, and play.

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