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Offline AstralLein
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#874
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Ulta Jones is highly valued in the order of priority. First, he attacked, and then he died. Ironic. He was lucky that the Master valued his ultimate ability so highly.

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You already suggested at one time that I was Jones. Jones is dead. I am not. Now you are suggesting that I am Kraken. Who will be next?
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"Плата за любовь"
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3. Release the Kraken! by Davy Jones (Displayed as a fact).
4. The Finger of Fate by Tia Dalma (Displayed as a fact).
There is a clue about Jones. Well, Jones did release the Kraken. So, the Kraken ultimate ability hasn't been released yet.
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Wasn't there? Well, if it's Jones' ultimate and just a kill on Jones, then something's definitely fishy. But it's kind of strange. On the other hand, it's as if nothing was suppressed; Kraken's ultimate should be more noticeable... And this aligns with the fact that instead of an ultimate, it was just a regular attack. You know, Nebok, I couldn't even imagine that Kraken might not use his ultimate.

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Although, something still doesn't quite add up. Oh well, it's late. I'm going to sleep. Good luck if you're going to figure this out tonight. But the Kraken idea is very important.
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"Плата за любовь"
"Путь некроманта"
"Темные грани"
"Рок Гримхейма"
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Yeah, Kraken’s ultimate is described as a regular kill. And we have a description of Jones’ ultimate in the newspaper. Tomorrow, we won’t have much time to guess at the clues, but I’ll try.

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If Ples is really Jones, then when Kraken uses his ultimate, he wouldn’t kill Jones, because Jones has protection.
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Yes, but there's a nuance. The defense from Jones could have been reduced earlier. Natural defense isn't displayed if an attack hits it. Or something like that. If I understand the rule correctly.

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Rules for displaying failed kills: if the reason is hitting natural defense, it's not displayed.
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The Kraken killed every night, and no one else could remove it.
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This seems like a rather strange rule to me, but in reality, almost all defenses simply don't show up. So, theoretically, Jones could have already received a blow to the ribs. On the other hand, when did that happen...? Oh, well. He said to sleep, so we should sleep. Maybe it's just a delusion.
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"Плата за любовь"
"Путь некроманта"
"Темные грани"
"Рок Гримхейма"
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The macaque could have tried to kill Jones, by the way. But I don't know, I'm waiting for other options for the role of Ples, I really don't know.
А, вот почему.

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Neira - Cotton, a mute pirate, is clearly here. About Plesa, it is written:
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Ple-Sen didn't even think about hiding or resisting. He had long been ready for this outcome and voluntarily surrendered himself to the monster.
I assume he is Jack, who
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prefers to resolve disputes with words, not force.
Also, I think that Jones and Kraken both used their ultimate abilities. The clues are 14,000 coins and the theater's parterre. And Tia also used her ultimate ability, giving a clue about Jones:
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Nothing remarkable happened during the day; it is only worth mentioning a strange bottle fished out of the water. Inside the bottle was a piece of parchment on which a key was drawn, the very one that opens the chest with a carved heart, and below it was the inscription: "Royal Yorick."
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Guys, I finally figured it out. Ples can't be Jack. Jack discards all his Night Defense cards, and this action is one of the first he does. Only a couple of roles can break through to him. Even if we assume that in one night he used his ultimate ability and defended himself anally from Jones, I don't see a reason why he wouldn't use his Night Defense in another night. And we see Ples in both newspapers.
А, вот почему.

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Guys, I've got it.
Ples can't be Jack. Jack gets rid of all his Night Actions, and this action is one of the first. Only a couple of roles can break through to him. Even if we assume that in one night he used his ultimate and defended himself from Jones, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't use his Night Action on another night. But we see Ples in both newspapers.
I would even say in three newspapers. :D
If we assume that he used his ultimate in the first one (I don't know why, because killing Jones in the first night is not the best option for the Mafia), and it's also clear from the third... But Ples's presence in the 2nd is absolutely inexplicable if he is Jack...

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Does the Kraken's ultimate ignore natural defense? I don't see any mention of this in the description, anyway.
So there was no ultimate. Probably...

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Yeah, the Kraken's ultimate is described as a regular kill.
Did Master say that?

Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно.
Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится.
(Закон сохранения).

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I think we should stop discussing this further; it's better to investigate the Mafia members than the innocent ones. The fact that Ples cannot be Jack and the real Jack is still alive is enough. But I can't be 146% sure that he's Jones. WHO WAS PLES?!
А, вот почему.

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But I can't say with 146% certainty that he is Jones.

WHO WAS PLES?!
Zlobny Yashur
There's no one else. Yesterday I thought he was a monkey, because Neyra was clearly trying to frame Kottor, and neither Gibbs nor, especially, Tia would have let him live...
And since there was no murder by the mafia, I decided he was a monkey.
Now it's clear that he's Jones...


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I should reread Neyra's posts...

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Siverfale
It's so good for Yashur, you can throw any accusations and no one will suspect you of anything anymore...
You know, you're right. After my statement yesterday that Ment was blocked by a monkey, not the mafia, Heroist calmly went to the chopping block.
No "He's mafia, who are you believing?!" or "His Majesty the Troll" and so on.

By the way, who was trying to save Heroist from the loop? Nebo? Fragment?

Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно.
Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится.
(Закон сохранения).

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Well, yes. But I'm still confused by how his death is described. I watched the movies a long time ago and don't really remember what happened between Jones and the Kraken, or what happened between other characters and the Kraken, and there's no information about it in the game lore.
А, вот почему.

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Sky наоборот played one of the decisive roles in the execution of Heroist; until Sky explained everything to me, I was hesitant. Fragment, yes, tried to save him for a long time, but when there were only 10 minutes left until the end of the day, and the votes had already been cast, he said, "Okay, let's execute Heroist."
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?
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