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2 Olga is here in the chat, and some people say that their father got them hooked on the 5th installment of Heroes... This is somewhat different from your opinion. And believe me, there are quite a few adult fans of the fifth game on this forum alone.

I am happy to believe you, especially since I have been playing Heroes for many years and am a fairly mature person. The point of my comment is not in this (although the phrase "father got them hooked" sounds quite ominous...), but in the fact that the age limit is decreasing, and, consequently, the complexity of game perception is also decreasing. Where I will be interested, the children will get bored, and vice versa. I would not like simplifications; this is my opinion and the essence of my comment. I would not like to see it become more popular...
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I completely agree with you, although you might be exaggerating a bit about changing the game's core elements.
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2 Olga is here in the chat, and some people are saying that their father got them hooked on the 5th installment of Heroes... This is somewhat different from your opinion. And believe me, there are quite a few adult fans of the fifth game on this forum.
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Adults, excuse me, what age are we talking about? I'm 26 and I like the 5th game. Am I a child?:smile13:
I'm sorry, but you're nitpicking (and you're not the only one). Yes, a huge number of adults play the 5th version – no one is arguing with that. The point is about the trend that if it continues to develop according to the scenario proposed by Olga: "We'll soon end up with things like Teletubbies and Pokémon," then the question arises: "What will adults do then?!" But you've latched onto the words without context and are trying to relate everything to the fifth game...

In general, the whole topic is about a trend, and you're discussing details. Whether it's good or bad that the world of HoMM is losing its originality is up to each person to decide (for some, it's like "new blood," and for others, it's a "loss of identity"), but I think it's foolish to deny the existence of this trend.

I, like many others, have been playing since HoMM I. I consider HoMM III to be the most successful (by many criteria) (I haven't played HoMM IV because I couldn't get into it). I play the 5th game with great interest and pleasure, and I will play the 6th if it ever comes out. But that doesn't stop me from thinking that there are problems with HoMM V, that some things could have been done differently, that many things weren't thought through as they should have been/as I would have liked, and that we'll end up with a game that's called HoMM and has the same principles as HoMM, but in itself, it won't be HoMM anymore. But I don't rule out that it could turn out even better? We'll see.
In any case, they can't take away our III.

P.S. How can you explain to someone who started with the 5th game what the spirit/atmosphere of HoMM is?!
How can you explain why HL2 is worse than HL?! (I won't even mention Doom...)

P.P.S. 2 StormS-K
Read Greengeez's posts again before you write next time. Try to understand what he meant.
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Olga;125522
Where I find it interesting, the kids will get bored, and vice versa. I wouldn't want any simplifications; that's my opinion and the essence of my comment. I wouldn't want to popularize it...

It seems that, in your opinion, children of preschool age play Heroes, and that most players are of that age. I haven't noticed any simplifications in the 5th installment compared to the 3rd; only improvements. If you reason like that, then a car with power windows instead of a crank handle risks becoming a baby stroller in the future!
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How can you explain to someone who started with the 5th installment what the spirit/atmosphere of HoMM is?!

Okay, I'm going to play HoMM1 and HoMM2. Maybe I'll discover that spirit you're talking about.
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It seems that, in your opinion, Heroes is played by children of kindergarten age, and that most players are of that age. I haven't noticed any simplifications in Heroes 5 compared to Heroes 3, only improvements. If you reason like that, then a car with power windows instead of a crank handle risks becoming a baby stroller in the future!
Didn't you think, when writing this post, that the graphics are also being discussed, right?!
Solo;125534
Okay, I'm going to play Heroes 1 and Heroes 2. Maybe I'll discover that spirit you're talking about.
Don't forget to choose the exact year on your time machine, otherwise you might accidentally end up in the 70s.
Remember, if you dress in a 15th-century costume, you're unlikely to be able to feel the spirit of that time (just for reference).
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Adults, excuse me, what age are we talking about here? I'm 26 and I like the 5th installment. Am I a child?:smile13:
An adult is distinguished, first and foremost, by tolerance (not to mention respect) for other people's opinions. So now you decide for yourself whether you are mature enough...
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Didn't you think, when writing this post, that the graphics are also being discussed, right?!

Am I right in understanding that you consider the graphics of Heroes of Might and Magic V as a prerequisite for the transition to Pokémon?
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Don't forget to choose the exact year on your time machine, otherwise you might accidentally end up in the 70s.
Remember, if you dress in a 15th-century costume, you will hardly be able to feel the spirit of that time (just for reference).

Okay, this is already far from the topic.
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An adult is distinguished, first of all, by tolerance (I'm not even talking about respect) for other people's opinions. So now you decide for yourself whether you are adult enough...

For heaven's sake, where did you find intolerance and disrespect in my quoted post?
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Solo;125546
Am I right in understanding that you see the graphics of the 5th Heroes game as a prerequisite for transitioning to Pokémon?
Let me quote a post from the first page, where this discussion started (see the first post on this topic on this page, by Olga, to which you reacted so strongly):
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first, the graphics became more "cartoonish" to attract children and be more similar to the 2nd game...
Transitioning to Pokémon – no, because that's an unattainable extreme, but if it continues in the same vein – yes, as a trend.
Solo;125546
Okay, this is already far from the topic.
It's not far from the topic; it's just that if you didn't play the early games, it's difficult to talk about the spirit/atmosphere of the entire HoMM series. There's no need to be offended or feel inferior because of this; it has always been this way. That's how we will never understand what World War II was like; everything will be demagoguery. It was and will be.
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I wasn't planning on starting a H3 vs. H5 debate here. If you're tired of discussing which game is better, just don't write about it. I didn't write about that, or maybe you misunderstood me.
I'm talking about this: many people say something like: "The second and third games are classics and have a great atmosphere. The fourth game is just not the same. And the fifth game has that atmosphere again, and even better." Examining the continuity of the fifth game showed a small amount of "original" heritage and a lot of borrowing from other game projects. Therefore, I don't understand what "that" atmosphere many people are so enthusiastically talking about. I don't see or feel it.
I'm addressing people who are "in the know," i.e., have played various fantasy games, can see the differences between them, and recognize analogies in individual elements.
I was just laughing, honestly, no offense, nothing personal, Greengeez, but right at the beginning of the thread, I asked, "What did you mean by that?" See how far it's gone? The forum members have started doing their favorite thing: "arguing."
2 Arandor ... What were you saying about the conclusion?:smile09:
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I was just crying, honestly, no offense, nothing personal Greengeez, but at the very beginning of the topic, I asked, "What did you want to say with that?" See how far it's gone? The forum members got busy with their favorite pastime: "Arguing."
It's a pity, Arandor has already answered about this... oh well... otherwise, I could have written the same thing.
And the forum members are now more focused on discussing it, or do you think that there should only be one post in the topic, which opens it?!
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2 Arandor ... What were you saying about the conclusion?:smile09:
What conclusion? The conclusion has been stated about 10 times. The point is that the conclusion is clear, but whether to agree with it or not is a completely different matter. That's why the debate continues. There are also those who are drawn to defend HoMM V, even though no one has criticized it yet.
Just for the record, no one thinks that HoMM V is a bad game.
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I was just crying, honestly, no offense, nothing personal Greengeez, but at the very beginning of the topic, I asked the question "What did you want to say with that?" See how far it has gone? The forum users got down to their favorite activity: "arguing."
2 Arandor ... What were you saying about the conclusion?:smile09:

at least for me, it was clear from the first post what Greengeez wanted to say... I think it was clear for most (but not all) of those who started with the 1st and 2nd games....

and I agree that there is no atmosphere (I don't think it will be there anymore); that Heroes 5 has a lot from other games (which is not always good); they introduced new creatures, such as the Elves, Dwarves... this is good, of course, BUT weren't the Nigonians better? and the other creatures that were in the first part); that the graphics are Warcraft-like and it's unclear why it's like that! because now the graphics level is much higher, and here people have huge hands and everything else... this VERY much resembles Warcraft and its cartoonishness! this is probably what attracts young fans... and most of the monsters that are supposed to be intimidating with their appearance look funny! (although there are some good moments in the graphics)... this is if you compare it with other new games, and not with the 3rd and 4th (in terms of graphics)...
there are, of course, some advantages, mainly in the skills, creatures (their upgrades and skills - Sorceress and others), the view of the cities from the inside (at least they did it well here), the tactics (the battlefield), and various game options... but still, it looks empty. there are few artworks, various buildings, etc.
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at least for me, it was clear from the first post what Greengeez wanted to say... I think it was clear for most of those who started with the first and second games....
It just so happened that I am among the "minority" of those who started with the second game, I apologize, I didn't play the first part, and it wasn't clear to me, as it turned out, it wasn't clear to me alone, which the author himself confirmed...
Too bad, Arandor has already answered about this... oh-oh-oh... otherwise, I could have written the same thing.
But the forum members were more focused on discussing it, or do you think that there should be only one post in the topic, which opens it?!
Quite the opposite, I just wanted to clarify what goal Greengeez had in creating the topic, in order to avoid unnecessary misunderstandings and interpretations, but I failed.:smile50:
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I haven't evaluated the gameplay here, nor its balance, nor its suitability for tournaments. Alan. If you don't set reasonable boundaries for yourself, you can see anything, anywhere. Any phenomenon is, in one way or another, secondary, having certain roots and origins. Naturally, all fantasy games are united by the fact that they are fantasy. And fantasy is derived from myths, even if they are biblical myths. But by choosing certain elements from this entire set in certain proportions, and processing them in your own way, we get a unique fantasy product. Let me give an analogy: the resulting game is a metal figurine. The original alloy, the original shape (the figurine, not a wrench), and the original shape of the figurine itself (the individual elements). When original games-figurines are made from common source materials, it's wonderful. When you take existing ones, copy their arms, legs, and paint job, you can get an interesting figurine. But its originality will be secondary. Perhaps the analogy isn't very good. The point is that boundaries are a necessary tool for separating one quality area from another. Game/Movie. Strategy/Shooter. And when we get an original game, StarCraft, from the movie Aliens and something else, that's normal. But when we get the game Heroes 5 from the game Disciples and some other games, that's unnatural. The game Heroes 5 can only be derived from the games Heroes and/or not from games that lie within the boundaries of "fantasy." Otherwise, everything within these boundaries can merge into one big "pop" monster. P.S. Gameplay is not being discussed here. Archer. I am not responsible for people who misunderstand what is being said. Try reading the posts again. The link you provided is close to the topic, but it is two years old. Arandor. Yes, you understood correctly.
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What are you all arguing about? Heroes 5 was initially conceived as a game about a different universe, with a different set of factions, and a different worldview. Only the core gameplay concept remained from the previous installments, and nothing else, and this became clear immediately after the original release. Now the last expansion has been released, so let's play it instead of tearing apart the different parts of the Heroes series. The game has lost its old world but gained a new one, adopting trends from other successful games. The "pop" element – its widespread appeal – why are all the fans of Heroes 5 so offended by this? In my opinion, it's obvious, and I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Some of my friends started playing Heroes with the 5th installment; they are happy to see night elves, dwarves, and orcs there, and you can't convince them that it should be any different. The old world died with the end of the campaign (which I also don't particularly like), but it's good that there was at least some continuation.
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Mass-produced items are always more popular than masterpieces.
Masterpieces are expensive! ;) Let's see what comes out of "Disciples 3"; the game was recognized as the best in 2007, but it will only be released in mid-2008, if it isn't delayed again... a paradox? The point is that attempts to create a masterpiece can end badly, at the very least with unfulfilled expectations...:rolleyes:
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SandroXXL. Yes, you are generally right.

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