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Offline Heroes 3 Tournament
"Race for the Leader"[/SIZE]
1. To participate in the "Race for the Leader" offline tournament, you must register at www.heroesworld.ru and leave an application for participation in this thread.
Example:
I want to become a participant of the tournament.
Please register me for the tournament.


2. The tournament is held on the Russian version of Heroes 3: "The Shadow of Death" with patch 3.2. It is also possible to play on version 4.0 (from Buka's Platinum Collection). Saves will be generated on version 4.0.

Sequence of actions for participating in the tournament:
1. Download save.
2. The downloaded Save must be placed on your computer in the GAMES folder of the installed Heroes 3.
3. Load it (load via the campaigns menu) and start playing at any time convenient for you, while remembering to make daily saves (at the beginning and end of the day).
4. After completing the final action (which leads to victory), you must save again.
Note: The final save should only contain those heroes who participate in the mission, i.e., heroes required by the campaign plot. (There may be 2-3, depending on the specific mission). Other heroes must be DISMISSED. As an exception: It is permitted to leave ONE non-plot hero, but only if the non-plot hero performs the final action that leads to victory.
And another revised quote from Sage:
Everything is clearly written in the rules.
1. Only plot heroes move to the next mission (For example, for mini-tournament 1-1: Gem).
2. In addition to these heroes, in the final save you can leave 1 more hero, if this hero is needed to perform the winning action (attack on the last enemy hero/castle).
3. If you have plot heroes on the map in your save (For example, for mini-tournament 1-1: Gem) and one additional hero, then the sum of parameters will be calculated for that hero who has the higher value.
5. With the final save, describe this last step in detail (most likely a battle), so that the results can be processed faster and there will be fewer suspicions of cheating!!!
6. A full description of the tournament map is encouraged (optional). If such descriptions are provided, a contest for the best description will be held; 10 of them (the very best) will take their place of honor in the "Hall of Fame" section!
7. Provide this save to the tournament organizer.
8. Wait for the results.3. Tournament Concept: The tournament will be conducted across ALL campaigns of "The Shadow of Death".
The tournament will consist of 36 mini-tournaments (the total number of missions in the campaigns, i.e., 7 stages). For the first mini-tournament, a save will be generated for the first mission of the first campaign. Subsequent saves for the current mini-tournament will be generated from the save of the winner of the previous mini-tournament, and so on.
The winner of the current mini-tournament will be the player who has the maximum number of points according to the formula below. At the end of each tournament stage, a LEADER for that stage will be determined. And at the end of all 36 mini-tournaments, an ABSOLUTE LEADER of the tournament will be determined.

During the "Race for the Leader" tournament, participants will also be awarded points for each mini-tournament according to the following scheme (the winner of the mini-tournaments will be determined by this scheme):
1. A participant who has applied for the tournament will be given 0 starting points.
2. At the end of each mini-tournament, a participant will be awarded points for the mini-tournament according to the formula:
Points = ((Days_l + (0.5 * Params_p) / 396 + (0.25 * Mercury_p) / 200 + (0.125 * Gold_p) / 1000000 + (0.0625 * Castles_p) / 48) * 1000) / Days_p
Where:
Days_l – Number of days the leader spent completing the task of the current mini-tournament.
Days_p - Number of days the player spent completing the task of the current mini-tournament.
Params_p – Sum of hero parameters (attack, defense, magic, knowledge) INCLUDING EQUIPPED ARTIFACTS, accumulated by the player while completing the task of the current mini-tournament.
Mercury_p – Amount of mercury accumulated by the player while completing the task of the current mini-tournament.
Castles_p – Number of castles captured by the player while completing the task of the current mini-tournament.
Gold_p - Amount of gold remaining in the participant's "stash" while completing the task of the current mini-tournament.
3. Current points will be calculated as an average between the previous result and the current one.
Also, at the end of each mini-tournament, a Player Rating will be awarded.


4. The tournament starts on 01.11.2007. 21 days will be given for the completion of each mini-tournament (Break between mini-tournaments - 30 days). Saves are not accepted after a mini-tournament has ended. Only one final save is accepted from the player.
Results of the completed mini-tournament will be published one day before the start of the next mini-tournament.

5. The final save should be named according to the template: GL_Mini-tournament Number _Table Number_player nickname.CGM /Write the mini-tournament number with a hyphen/ (for example, GL_1-1_1_K0Lb@zzeR.CGM) and send it to K0Lb@zzeR's mailbox /Death to search bots looking for E-MAIL addresses/. And another earnest request: when sending saves, specify the name of the save itself in the subject line (for example: GL_1-1_1_K0Lb@zzeR.CGM)) so that the anti-spam bot does not accidentally delete your email.
Together with the sent save, you must provide a description of the final step (battle with a hero, battle for a castle, capturing an artifact, victory over the last monster) after which victory occurs or the scenario is completed.

6. Discussion of the tournament during its progress is FORBIDDEN!!!
(Players who violate this rule automatically exclude themselves from playing in the tournament; their results will not be counted and will be annulled).

7. Restrictions:
1. Forbidden: buying back your dismissed heroes on the same day (i.e., using the "dismissal-buyback" trick);
it is also forbidden to buy heroes who died in battle (do not confuse with those who fled)!

2. Forbidden: digging up the Grail without a fully opened puzzle map.

3. Forbidden: using cheat programs, codes, BUGs, as well as additional programs that can change the game structure.
The full list of tournament rules and BUGs can always be read here:
Offline Tournament Rules + FAQ
In case a week of "+5 monsters X" or a month of "monster X" occurs, the player must not replay the transition of the week/month.

8. In case of suspicion of cheating or other malicious intent while completing the map, a save must be made every game day.
In such a case (detection of cheating), the player will be required to send additional saves and provide a walkthrough description to the tournament organizer to determine whether the play was unfair or fair.
The result of a player who played unfairly is annulled, and their further participation in tournaments will be impossible. This will also reflect poorly on their reputation.

9. The use of two "automators" is permitted in the tournament:
1) Hero-digger
2) Ballista-killer Visual aid HERE.

After your save is received, you will see in the application table that:
save accepted (received by addressee) - by bold nickname
save with problems for verification and review - by italic red nickname
save counted - by underlined nickname
List of Tournament Participants
Tournament Participant Number
Tournament Participant Nickname
Rating for Last Stage
48
Перполькен
926.43
13
DARK_DRAGON
0
12
kj1313
273.52
80
Andrey44_44
0
26
Dirty_Player
956.74
81
Айвенго
0
82
Lexus_slk
0
83
~no1_knows_me~
0
84
Angel
0
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P.S. I wish all tournament participants a great time playing and, most importantly, VICTORY!

P.P.S. At the end of the tournament, certificates of honor and consolation prizes will be presented to the LEADERS for victory in the tournament stages. And the ABSOLUTE LEADER will receive a prize for winning this tournament.

View mini-tournament results HERE.
:smile13: [ТУРНИР] "Гонка за Лидером" :smile13:
:smile28: [M] "Я и моя тень" - "I am and my shadow" :smile28:
:smile16: "Быстрая смерть" - "Fast Death" :smile16:
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There was a question at the beginning:
Vanechka;121873
.... based on the total primary stats of Pearl or any of the most powerful heroes?
The organizer's answer:
K0Lb@zzeR;121878
It will be evaluated based on one of the heroes who cannot be lost in the current mission. There are missions in which you cannot lose 2-3 heroes. Therefore, we will make a selection from these two or three heroes.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.
Kamikaze;121882
That is, in the first stage, it can only be Gem!!!
K0Lb@zzeR;121886
That's right. Absolutely correct. In the next mini-tournament, you will have 2 heroes who must advance to the 3rd mini-tournament.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.
Kamikaze;124485
Guys, stop making things up. Many have already sent in their final submissions. Two heroes, the second completes the mission (classic), we count based on the best one (otherwise, the interest in development is lost). It all works out very nicely. IMHO!

I'm already confused... :smile32: it looks like I'll have to play everything from the beginning!!!
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Yes... that's right. For convenience, we'll leave the secondary hero.
We changed the rules, or rather, made some adjustments, during the tournament.
Therefore, I think we won't be able to handle it again. :)

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vbn;124445
K0Lb@zzeR;123333... on the screen only 2 heroes should remain in this mission (from which we will choose the main one).
If this condition remains in force, I ask you to specify this in the rules,
so that no misunderstandings arise. This is important.
If not - please inform me otherwise.
K0Lb@zzeR;123333
Dirty_Player;123290How do you dismiss a hero sitting in the castle if he entered it on the last turn? Should I just leave him?
Yes, leave him. There is nothing more you can do with him anyway. But if this hero is the main one (his stats are good :) ) and he is not a scenario hero, then leave him near the castle, otherwise put him inside the castle so he's out of sight. That is, on the screen only 2 heroes should remain in this mission (from which we will choose the main one).I apologize for continuing this long-winded discussion, but I still ask you to answer my question.

So there is Gem, and there is another hero who performs the final action before victory (capturing the castle or a battle).
But there is also a 3rd hero who got "stuck" in the castle on the last cell. Moreover, this 3rd hero is the most valuable one, and I don't really want to hide him inside the castle.

You allowed the presence of such a "stuck" hero, and you also allowed a secondary hero making the final move.

So, can the skills of the "stuck" hero be taken into account when calculating results in this case, and will they be?
Or is it generally forbidden for a "stuck hero" to be present on the Heroes screen?
Dear organizers, the specific answer is not as important as the clarity needed to develop a tactic.
The rules should be unambiguous, not mutually exclusive.


P.S. So you don't think I'm being dense:
the quote "but if this hero is the main one and he is not a scenario hero, then leave him near the castle, otherwise put him inside the castle so he's out of sight"
implies that it is permitted to leave 3 heroes on the map, and whether to put the "stuck" hero in the castle or not can be decided based on stats.
This is where the question about having only 2 faces in the heroes window came from.
It wasn't answered, although it could have been.
Now I have to figure out the logic of this message as well.
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Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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So, comrades, you'll drive me crazy with your questions! In short: You can leave three heroes! Moreover, the skills of the "stuck" hero, the main hero, and the hero who makes the last action can be taken into account when calculating the results. Sincerely. P.S. If I see even one more question on this topic, beware, I'm terrible when I'm angry! :D

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Actually, it's very easy to get a hero stuck, so someone would definitely bother the organizers... :D
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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I completely agree with vbn and Ley. Firstly, all heroes could be stuck. Secondly, this has a very strong impact on tactics. Thirdly, what about those who have already submitted their saves if the rules change every time? *Kyle: The rules are not changing, but are being adjusted for greater clarity! ;)* *2Kyle: How can they not change??? Before, it was only Gem, and now, in fact, anyone! Someone might have worked hard to develop Gem, but with this setup, they could achieve a better result...*
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Yeah, I agree, it definitely affects the tactics.
Otherwise, we wouldn't be asking "stupid" questions here and "bothering" the organizers, would we?

Furthermore, as far as I remember, the rules initially stated
that the final save could contain one secondary hero.

So, the question is only about the "stuck" heroes.
Perhaps those who had already submitted their save and whose hero was "stuck" replayed to avoid this.
And now, such heroes are allowed to remain, and even a "stuck" hero will be counted as the best if its stats are higher.
But, I think in such a case, the participant would most likely have contacted the organizers with a similar question, as you did.
Apparently, you were the first to encounter this situation. And I was the second. :D

In any case, it is better to contact the organizers again and request clarification of the rules (not a change),
than to submit the final save and then regret that you
interpreted the rules in your own way, while the tournament organizers interpreted them in their own way.
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Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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rather than sending the final save and then regretting that you
interpreted the rules differently than the tournament organizers.
Wise words. :)

By the way, such vaguely defined rules have completely discouraged me from sending the final replay before anyone else. In the future, I won't be so hasty.

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p.s. with respect, Maximula
Mersy is a sign of weakness.
Despair is a sign of weakness.
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Неподъемных камней нету - есть неподъемные люди.
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Dear tournament organizer, please register me for the tournament.
Angelina
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to THUNDEROUS HEART and Hitachi: Why were such terrible save files sent? The save files are full of unnecessary actions. The save files should only contain ONE last action, and nothing more. to All: I remind you that
The result will be evaluated primarily based on the minimum time spent on completing the mission. If several players have the same completion time, the best one will be determined by the sum of primary skills (attack, defense, magic, knowledge) INCLUDING WORN ARTIFACTS. If a favorite still cannot be determined, then it will be determined by the amount of mercury. And if a favorite still cannot be determined, then by the amount of gold (there will still be a couple of coins left "in reserve").
Therefore, don't forget to exchange resources (except mercury) for gold at the end, and then gold for mercury. Some people simply have a lot of unexchanged resources left, which, in a way, are additional rating points, so don't forget about this. Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.
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:smile28: [M] "Я и моя тень" - "I am and my shadow" :smile28:
:smile16: "Быстрая смерть" - "Fast Death" :smile16:
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Perhaps these people play purely for their own enjoyment. The ranking is just for added intrigue and competition. Apparently, it's not that important to them... well, that's their business... the main thing is to warn everyone ;).
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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Hello everyone! We weren't expected, but here we are! Dear K0Lb@zzeR, please register me for the tournament! I promise to play the first stage. If I have time, I will also participate in the others. Well, it seems the tournament rules have finally been established. We can start playing! Honestly, I'm tired of reading about the arguments about how many heroes will remain in the selection. Thanks to Kyle for taking decisive action. Given that the rules were adjusted during the tournament, I believe that those who submitted their save files should have a chance to replay. In the last tournament with the point calculation, I didn't guess correctly. I think it's time to ask the creator of the point calculation formula a question. Perhaps the formula will be adjusted! The formula has two fractions: the sum of skills divided by 396 and the number of captured castles divided by 48! Until the sum of skills is large, the number of captured castles will play a more important role! Here's a situation that could arise in the early stages of each scenario. For example: we have at least two people who finished at the same time. The first person has more skills than the second, but the second person has captured more castles (i.e., the first became the leader based on the higher sum of skills, and the second based on the points earned). So, who will be the leader, and based on which save file will we continue playing? Sincerely, Perpolken!
Все гениальное-просто!
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Perpolken is 100% right about the formula!!! I agree!
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Regarding the formula, you are right to point that out. We are currently discussing it, and there is a possibility that it will change.
I hope you understand.

Sincerely.

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Regarding the formula!
After all, Kolbasser came up with the formula, right? So why should skills be more important than the number of cities according to his formula? The "Race for the Leader" tournament rating, as I see it, is not related to our classic rating!

A small example: there are 50 mercury guarded by hydras. And at the other end, there is an artifact that gives +4 to attack.
Following the first path, we gain 3 levels (for example), which means +3 to skills and +50 mercury.
Following the second path, we get +4 to skills.
According to the classic formula, we will get a higher rating by using the second path, but according to Kolbasser's formula... you do the math! :)

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