Is diplomacy necessary? — In the Wake of Gods / WOG / ERA

Ley

18 years ago

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eXeCuToR;118560

What if a player can't win against the AI?))) Should they still buy the game? I would consider it from this perspective. That is, a confrontation between equal opponents, and it doesn't matter whether you are playing against a human or the AI.

Well, in the early stages of the game, diplomacy can be used quite effectively, but it is unlikely that it will be interesting to use it against an AI opponent once you reach a certain level, but offline mode fixes this...;)

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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And what if a player playing against the computer can't win?))) Then is it worth buying or not? I would consider this from that point of view. That is, a confrontation between equal opponents (for example), and it doesn't matter whether you are playing against a person or the computer.

Of course, if recruiting units helps in fighting the enemy, then diplomacy won't hurt. Only the main hero shouldn't do this – you can hire diplomats who can perform this menial task.

Regarding playing against an equal opponent, let me explain my idea: if you play against the computer (where the goal is simply to defeat it), then you can do so without diplomacy, but you might spend more time on the game. But the goal will still be achieved - victory over the opponent.

If you play against a human (not online), where the goal is to complete the map faster than the opponent, then diplomacy can help with this :) Both players will defeat the computer, and the winner among them will be the one who does it faster (this is the essence of offline tournaments). This is the difference.

One of them started today, by the way. Join and gain experience playing offline!
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eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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Yes, I agree with you – I liked the idea about hero-diplomats; we should try it somehow. P.S. Yes, I know what offline mode is))) I was registered for two, but didn't make it. Thanks for the link.

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SS-D

18 years ago

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What do you mean? Do you mean the expert difficulty level?

Edit the map and set the computer-controlled hero to have expert diplomacy:smile33:

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eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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Edit the map and give the computer-controlled hero the Diplomacy expert skill:smile33:

Well, that's not very interesting. It's the same as using cheats. You might as well just give yourself 1 Azure Dragon to make things a little easier.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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No, that's not interesting at all. It's the same as using cheats. You might as well just give yourself one Azure Dragon to make things a little easier.

He's not suggesting setting up diplomacy for himself, but for the computer – i.e., the opponent in this case – to make things more difficult for himself... )) But, of course, there's not much point in that... It's easier to just give the computer a decent army at the start and try to fight it... ))

eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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Yes? Sorry, I didn't understand. Well, this really won't help much and will only lead to the computer's morale decreasing (most likely). Giving the computer a better army is indeed a better option.

SS-D

18 years ago

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There's a high chance you won't even have time to build anything.
(on King difficulty):smile34:
It will probably take about a month.
It's just the simplest way to make things more difficult (in my opinion).
So, think about what army to give them to make it fair - 10 Archers or
10 Bowmen :confused:
And it's better without diplomacy:smile05:

knight-voland

18 years ago

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Diplomacy isn't interesting. You can explore the entire map and gather a horde of each unit... is that really a game?

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eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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There's a high probability that you won't even have time to build anything.
(on the King):smile34:
It will probably take about a month.
It's just the simplest way to make things more difficult (in my opinion).
So, think about what kind of army to give them so that it's balanced - 10 Archers or
10 Bowmen :confused:
And it's better without diplomacy:smile05:

Regarding the Archers and Bowmen, I didn't understand. Who are these Archers and Archangels? In that case, comparing 10 to 10 seems a bit strange.
If I misunderstood, please explain.

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SS-D

18 years ago

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eXeCuToR;119931

I didn't understand what you meant about archers and "arharovtsy." Who are these archers and archangels? In that case, a 10 vs. 10 comparison seems a bit strange.
If I misunderstood, please explain.

To make things more challenging, some are suggesting giving the AI an army at the beginning.
I say it's better to give the AI a "diploma" instead of spending time figuring out what army to give it so that it doesn't die in the first week and the game is still challenging.
And I've listed the range of armies that could be given to the AI, from a small force to archangels.
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РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

18 years ago

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You can take Diplomacy if you rush to XL and don't immediately return home! You just wander around, replenishing your forces from neutral creatures... it's very profitable to take it for the Stronghold; first, you wander around, they (the monsters that joined through Diplomacy) get killed, and then you can sell the remaining ones. By the way, this can bring me up to 100,000 during a game if I'm playing on XL. It's also useful to give it to the second hero so that he can capture mines without entering the castle to get an army, and if necessary, intercept a weak enemy.

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sell the remaining ones - meaning in the guild of workers.

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Ley

18 years ago

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Really? My apologies, I didn't understand. Well, this really won't help much and will only lead to the computer simply lowering its morale (most likely). Giving the computer a better army is indeed a better option.

The computer doesn't use such a secondary skill as diplomacy rationally, and as such, it generally doesn't pose much of a threat...

And to make things more challenging, there are many possibilities: building structures in the castle, the number of starting heroes and the starting army, and alliances between computers – these are all good things. :)

eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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Yeah... plus, they also exchange resources... I completely forgot about that. Anyway, I think it's clear that computer diplomacy is a complete waste of time.

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Lagoona999

18 years ago

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I generally consider diplomacy to be a rather useless skill and never take it! And artifacts for diplomacy are the first candidates to be sacrificed on the altar (if the hero is very good or neutral).

On my map (I'll upload it soon), it will be difficult without diplomacy:cool: