Is diplomacy necessary? — In the Wake of Gods / WOG / ERA

AmberSoler

18 years ago

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The point of the game is to have fun.
It's hard to win against a superior opponent.
Diplomacy is very simple.
Everyone starts running away; it's just a matter of time.
I'm for "No Diplomacy."

You should play against real people, not against the AI... :) That's where you'll find the challenges.

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Drnik

18 years ago

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Logistics are essential on XL, as are the skills you can definitely level up before enemies overwhelm you. Diplomacy definitely doesn't fall into this category. The chances of constantly finding creatures from your castle that will join you for a small fee are slim.

Money is only half the problem: most often, creatures (if they are from your castle) that join you are not of the highest level, or, more often, they are neutral creatures that are simply scattered across the map... on random maps, the chances of joining are higher than on "human" maps, again, BUT: diplomacy doesn't level up quickly for a hero who doesn't have it initially; it needs to be leveled up, plus... we come back to what was mentioned above... and simply running around and looking for creatures from your castle is a waste of time... although diplomacy has saved me on occasion...

eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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Hmm, I'm not sure. I've been playing for a long time, but I haven't had a situation yet where diplomacy helped me out.

Qwerty

18 years ago

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Diplomatically acquired troops can be exchanged for:
angels;
wyverns;
Pandora's contents;
Utopia's contents;
experience, resources, etc.

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eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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Diplomatically acquired troops can be exchanged for:
angels;
wyverns;
Pandora's contents;
Utopia's contents;
experience, resources, etc.

I don't understand you. What do you mean by "exchange"? Please explain.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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I don't understand you. In what sense can you make changes? Please explain.

You've essentially "diplomatically" acquired, for example, three hundred dwarves, then went to Utopia, placed them there, and in return received all the contents of Utopia... :D What's not clear about that? Or you can clear out the Angel's Lair, or the Wyverns... whichever is more convenient. ;) You can exchange them for experience at the altar, for resources at the Mercenary Guild, or turn them into skeletons at the Necropolis. That is, there are many ways to turn even troops that are not useful to you into something beneficial. And imagine when level 7 units join you in the first week...

And you say that diplomacy didn't help you... But did you actually use it, this diplomacy? :)

eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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Now I understand. Yes, I did use it, believe me :) I just don't feel like getting into a fight with level 7 creatures in the first week, even though I have an expert in diplomacy. :D Yes, you can exchange a lot, especially for Necropolis units.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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Now I understand. Yes, I did use it, believe me:) I just don't feel like getting into a fight with 7th-level creatures in the first week, even though I have an expert in diplomacy.:D

Yes, if you're playing online, diplomacy is unlikely to be useful – the risk is too high.

But you can use "Vision" and reduce the risk to zero. In short, if you want, you can do everything in such a way that your opponent will be envious. :) And if we're talking about offline play, the situation changes dramatically. Take a look at the reports from the eighth Kaneegam Memorial Tournament. There's a lot said about it there.

eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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So, I thought we were talking about both online and offline modes; there's really nothing to debate – even in those modes, you get a considerable amount of time, so you can explore the entire map and figure out which development strategy works best.

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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That's what I thought, we're talking about online play, there's nothing even to discuss...

If you read at least the beginning of the thread, it becomes clear that the conversation was about offline play. In online games, diplomacy is usually banned, so there was no need to even start a discussion about it... :) Diplomacy isn't needed in online games - I think it severely unbalances the game...

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eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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If you read at least the beginning of the thread, it becomes obvious that the conversation was about offline play.
In online games, diplomacy is usually banned, so there was no need to even start a discussion about it... :) Diplomacy isn't needed in online games – I think it severely unbalances the game...

I apologize if I said something stupid or nonsensical, but I have no experience in either offline or online play, and I'm basing my opinion on obvious things.

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SS-D

18 years ago

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Why don't you play against real people instead of the AI...? You'll find it's much more challenging.

I agree. The AI is quite weak. But if you give it a double experience boost and some extra money, it becomes somewhat more challenging.
I haven't really played against people; I haven't had the opportunity.

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eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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I agree. The game is really slowing down my computer. But if you give him a decent expansion and some money, it will be more or less playable.
I haven't played with people much, I haven't had the opportunity.

What do you mean? "D exp"? Expert difficulty level?

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AmberSoler

18 years ago

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I agree. The computer really slows down. But if you give it a decent expansion and some resources, it becomes more or less playable.
I haven't had the chance to play against people.

No matter what you do to the computer, it's still slow. When I say playing against people, I mean not online, but offline - when several people play the same map on their own computers and then compare their game results for speed. The advantage will be with the one who uses diplomacy. That's what I'm talking about. When playing against the computer, diplomacy is just an unnecessary hassle because you can win anyway... :)

eXeCuToR

18 years ago

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And what if a player can’t win against the AI?))) Should they still buy the game or not? I would consider the question from this perspective. That is, the game should offer a balanced challenge against equally matched opponents, and it shouldn’t matter whether you’re playing against a human or the AI.

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