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Thank you. You're right, I was talking about this map. I'll give it a try, and if it doesn't work out, I'll look for information on the forums. The map is captivating, like the other maps by this author. I was only able to complete "Way Home," the others seemed too difficult).
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ArtemmYa
Thank you. We are indeed talking about this map. I will try it out; if it doesn't work, I will look for information on the forums. The map is captivating, like other maps by this author. I was only able to complete "Way Home"; the others seemed too difficult).

This thread in the forum discussed it quite recently; here is the beginning:
/topic/9371/

There are also a couple of Walkthroughs on YouTube; here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7QrgTs0EwQ
The author does not speedrun and replays, but you can get a General idea of the map and some possible ways to complete difficult battles
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Thank you, this is very helpful information. I don't understand why, but it seems to me that the duration of the petrification effect from the Scorpions depends on their number. It's very difficult to catch them with just one, but I once managed to petrify four of them in a single battle with three Scorpions)

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There are speedruns with results of 47 and 55 days, but that's of course an incredible performance. For most, simply completing such a map is an achievement, let alone speedrunning it, although this map is the one that encourages speedrunning because accumulating troops and skipping days only brings problems. Even the other three maps from the Season allow for this, but not this one.
Are there similar speedruns on YouTube? I would definitely watch that.
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Thank you, that’s a lot of useful information. I don’t understand why, but I have the impression that the stunning effect from Scorpions depends on their number. It’s so hard to stun with just one, but I even managed to stun 4 out of 4 in one battle with three of them!

well, that’s not really indicative :) in one battle, my enemy had 3 consecutive Fear effects from Archdevils (which was the only thing that prolonged the battle), map: Legend of Shan Hai.
as far as I remember, the number of Scorpions doesn’t affect their ability. And specifically on the Lord Rings map, since the special Scorpions in a full stack don’t go anywhere (except for clearing out weak neutrals when the army has moved somewhere else), you can quite easily use 4 of them at a time, instead of just one!
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Are there any similar speedruns on YouTube? I would definitely watch that!

I would watch that too. I think I would learn something new! But a speedrun is more likely to be found on some Chinese forum as a description with pictures, but not as a video.
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ArtemmYa
Are there similar speedruns on YouTube? I would definitely watch something like that.
You can watch the 47-day run here: here.
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You can watch the 47-day playthrough here: here.
Thank you. A player who completes this map probably can't be surprised by anything in the game anymore.
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Don't underestimate this game :D

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The world of heroic mapmaking doesn't end with Season's works.
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I was playing through a map and felt a bit down. How can this be considered *my* Walkthrough if I couldn't properly plan the first week, or choose the right hero at the beginning, where you need Imps and mana regeneration (it seems obvious, but I only realized it after watching a YouTube video...). After that, I did figure things out myself, but then I got stuck again and couldn't figure out how to defeat a hero with the Sphere of Inhibition without losing 300 Harpies. In the end, I had to restart the map several times, and the internet helped me out three times. And the mechanic with the Wall of Fire – I saw that for the first time ever... What surprises me most are the people who wrote that the "Way Home" map is a normal map, but not very challenging. I'd like to see a Walkthrough from these gamers if the internet were turned off, so they would have to figure everything out on their own. I think that in the "Sizona" maps, if you only evaluate the duels, he wins in 98 percent of cases. Although, when you figure it out yourself, you get real enjoyment. But now I don't have as much time as I did 15 years ago... And I think it's very difficult to complete such maps on your own. Are there any people here who only complete difficult maps on their own?
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It's certainly frustrating when you can't figure something out on your own. I know the feeling. But in such a situation, it's more productive to ask for help than to give up on the map altogether. Fortunately, nowadays, you can find everything you need for those Season maps if you encounter insurmountable difficulties. And regarding the principle of completing difficult maps on your own: this topic has seen a lot of content where there simply weren't any guides available.
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... And I think it's very difficult to complete such a map on your own. Are there any people here who only complete difficult maps on their own?

:) Mostly, that's who's here!
Besides, if you look at the reviews here in the thread, you'll often find that they are made for new maps, previously unseen in the Community, often Chinese ones.
Hints for difficult maps are not often needed; the Heroes players have too much experience; it's not easy to come up with something new. I don't know, maybe such difficult maps as Metataxer Revenge or Xiedu do require hints. But most maps do not. And the Lord Rings map is far from the easiest. I completed the mentioned Way Home without hints.
A detailed analysis of the editor, the Prospector program, and planning the Walkthrough greatly facilitate completing any map.
In general, the best advice is to choose a map according to your level of play. Because if you put an unprepared person in front of the aforementioned maps, they will simply stop liking Heroes.
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Hello, esteemed GURUs of walkthroughs for custom maps. Has anyone played the Chinese map "Light of the World" by, I believe, Scorpion? Could you please offer some advice? How can I defeat this hero on the cursed land? It's possible to get into the castle... it's possible to capture him there... I've tried to find a tile without cursed land (but haven't succeeded yet). I have all the spells (clone, berserk, etc.) and the cursed armor. But the opponent casts healing on his first turn... I'm in the castle on the right. I can upload a save file.
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Hello, esteemed GURUs of walkthroughs for custom maps. Has anyone played the Chinese map "Light of the World" by, I think, Scorpion? Could you give me some advice, please. How can I defeat this hero on this cursed land? It's possible to take the Castle... it's possible to capture him there... I've tried to find a tile without cursed land (but haven't succeeded yet). I have all the spells (clone, berserk, etc.) and the cursed armor. But the opponent casts healing on his first turn... I'm in the Castle on the right. I can upload a save file.

If there's cursed land, it's unlikely you'll be able to defeat such a hero.
10,000 Archons cannot be blinded or stunned.
For now, I can think of:
1) Find terrain in this area that will allow you to hide single-hex ranged units in a nook, and block the entrance to the nook with someone to hold out for at least 1-2 turns. In this case, there's a chance to scare his ranged units with the Azure spell and, possibly, other stacks. Then, in 1-2 turns, you can eliminate the ranged units. But there still won't be enough shots to kill his Archons, in my opinion...
2) Find a tile where magic works.
3) Clarify why the hero is sitting on this zone. Maybe it's worth luring him to another, more convenient location?
4) As an option, you can take Phoenixes to distract his stacks, but that won't help much.
5) Can you upgrade the ranged units and Fanatics to Snipers and Sorcerers on this map? Are hero-upgraders available?
But if you look at it at a glance, it's impossible to defeat such a hero on cursed land; you won't have enough to kill his Archons and horses.

P.S. You can also add 100-200 Hitmen specializing in magic with an upgraded spell attack :), just to kill his archers and Fanatics. It might take a couple of months :)
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The screenshot shows that this is not the final battle, so it’s unlikely that it was intended to take place on cursed land. Also, there’s a suspicion that timing might be important here, and you arrived too late (judging by the size of the enemy army).
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N Iko
Please give me some advice. How can I defeat this hero on the cursed land?
Are there taverns on the map? Is diplomacy available?
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I can send you a save file.
And the map as well.
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Thank you all. So, I'm attaching the map and a test save file (only these 4 heroes are available). The map is a clean RPG in the style of "Jennifer's Dream Journey." 1. I haven't encountered any taverns. Diplomacy is available. 2. The enemy hero is initially locked between the White Gate passage and the tower, which requires you to kill that hero to pass. 3. I tried trapping him in the castle and locking myself in there as well... I tried all the main objective points in this area... everywhere there's cursed land. Tomorrow I'll have more free time and will check all the points. I don't know about the timings... I don't understand Chinese :) There's one timing at the beginning, but it's easily overcome.
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