Posts from Favorites, into battle! - 11.

Unbelievable, but it's a fact.
Dark still has a chance to finish in 1st place.

Push that sweetie! :D

I think if there was a nomination for "the most unfairly treated player," Dark would definitely win it. In every tournament, he gets heavily penalized for time limits, constantly gets disconnected, and opponents don't show up for scheduled matches, etc. And all opponents do it at the same time!!! :D :D :D It reminds me of a sketch from Comedy Club: "Rafik is completely innocent"

I think if there was a nomination for "the most unfairly treated player," Dark would definitely win it. In every tournament, he gets heavily penalized for time limits, constantly gets skipped, and opponents don't show up for scheduled matches, etc. And all opponents do it at the same time!!! :D :D :D It reminds me of a sketch from Comedy Club: "Rafik is completely innocent"

This is more interesting: https://vk.com/id3623775?z=video3623775_71971012

just leaving this here.

I think, if there was a nomination for "the most unfairly wronged player", then Dark would definitely take it. In every tournament, he gets severely stalled on deadlines, constantly stood up, people don't show up for ODD, and so on. And this is done by all opponents at once!!! :D :D :D It reminds me of the sketch from Comedy "Rafik is completely innocent"

well, this is not to the point... better with examples
and what do the opponents do?? a question to the organizer..... my opponents are actually all fine....

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I'll just leave this here

well, nothing special there) Tyoma, he always got mad at me, I always trolled him)))))))
especially when he lost two series in a row to me on Jebus)))) then it got even worse

Actually, I was trying to convey that you cause trouble and arguments in every tournament. That's why this phrase is very appropriate, despite my personal opinion. P.S. No offense, Edward.

well, maybe... there's a little truth in that statement... but only a little. And this tournament is clearly an exception because I voiced my complaints directly to the organizers, not to any of the participants.
That's how it was, Vasily.

because I voiced my complaints directly to the organization, not to any of its members.

We've been eagerly waiting for you to organize something yourself for many years now... :smile50:

We've been eagerly waiting for you to organize something for many years...:smile50:

Everything is still in development)) give it another couple of decades:D

Reflecting on the Experience.

Favorites-11 was the first tournament I ever organized. Throughout the entire event, I took notes on various organizational matters.

The tournament has ended; I've finally gotten around to summarizing the results and congratulating the winner. As I originally planned, now that the tournament is over, I am posting my thoughts and notes on all organizational issues. Perhaps some will find it interesting or even useful.

A separate thread for discussions
Definitely yes. I held and still hold the opinion that discussions are a good thing, and such a thread is beneficial—beyond its direct purpose of suggesting improvements, refining them, and implementing them—it allows people to blow off steam, see that things aren't as obvious as they think, and realize there are many other people who think differently. Anyone wishing to be a jerk has the right to be a jerk and get pushed back here (which means they will be less confident about being a jerk elsewhere later—for example, in a match with an opponent). And all this happens without cluttering the main tournament thread.
As a reminder—the biggest drama occurred before the tournament due to Dave's suggestion to nerf Necropolis; one could watch opposing viewpoints on that for a year. In the end, Dave won the tournament, out-Necropolising Antiplayer, who was also playing Necropolis, in the grand final.
A total madhouse. And thanks to the discussion thread, anyone wishing to can count all the patients' heads.
But there is one BUT. Only a sufficiently calm person, accustomed to discussions and capable of not making things personal—but rather focusing on digging out valuable key ideas from the flow, including the fecal matter—can create and manage such a thread. Not everyone can do this calmly, and if you lack self-confidence, it's clear that it's better not to risk it.

Groups of 6/5 people
Definitely yes. The optimal number. More is too bloated. Fewer turns into a play-off—and then you have to do a mini-double elimination for 4 (which is ideal). So if groups are being used at all for some reason (here the motive is the nature of the tournament and an emphasis on mass appeal/community), then 6 people per group is the optimum.

Seeding into groups by rating
Yes. But beginners should not go into the 4th basket, as I did—they ended up there with a starting ХВ rating of 1500; they should go into the 6th if there is no additional information on them, unlike, for example, the immediate info available for Shoppe.

Late registration.
There was no established approach before the tournament started. In fact, late registration continued until the end of the second round of the group stage. Out of five rounds, this is optimal. Within a window of three out of five rounds, one can easily manage to play everything, as Dima_Surmay did. Provided there was a desire.
Closing late registration at approximately the 2/5 mark of the group stage duration is a good move.

Only first place from groups of 6 advancing to the upper bracket.
More bad than good. I don't feel like repeating this. I am specifically referring to the group stage with 6 people now.
The situation was complicated by the fact that I didn't know how many groups there would be, and I tried to devise a scheme in advance that would always work while ensuring a tough sporting struggle without any ambiguity.
In any case, it would have been better to design it so that a larger portion of second-place finishers went into the upper bracket.

There is a decent system at The International (Dota 2 World Championship) where those in lower positions play BO1 in the first round of the playoffs. Perhaps something like that could be done for 2nd and some 3rd places.

There is another point regarding groups—in a group, one can practice playing a town a bit, refresh their "peak form" without the risk of being eliminated due to a game ruined by non-optimal decisions. And then play their best game in the elimination matches. Therefore, groups of 6 and advancing to the upper bracket from 2nd place are also good.

Reporting passwords immediately after the game.
It is not clear to all players that they must report the password to the opponent immediately after the game ends.
In my opinion—this point can be boldly added to the rules. And for failing to provide a password—a warning. If such an incident has happened in the past, then immediate disqualification.
Looking at the save immediately after the match—while everything is still fresh in memory—is a natural desire, and simply giving the password is basic respect for the opponent. Not doing so is basic disrespect. In some cases, we are talking about a very serious level of personal stupidity that would be dangerous to others in another situation—such a person as a car driver, for example, could easily forget something obvious and cause an accident.
The password must be reported to the opponent immediately after the game ends. Regardless of anything else. And this should be a rule.
If any tournament organizers need a list of people for whom this task has already proven insurmountable—PM me.

List of players with unsportsmanlike conduct.
Similarly—if any organizers need a list of who messed around before and exactly how—contact me via PM.

Discord
A tournament participant must not only install Discord but also join the HeroesWorld server via the link at the top of the forum before registration closes.
I believe this should be a rule for any tournament on ХВ.
In the most massive tournament of all time—the Polish 20 years ago—everyone was also pushed into Discord.
ICQ is optional. Discord is a must-have.

Playoff Draw
I lean toward the idea that some seeding by rating should have been implemented in the upper bracket.

Ties in BO3 decided by a coin toss
For example, the order of black templates: if the first game's coin toss went one way, then the second goes the opposite. The third is determined by a coin toss again. This applies to anything where a coin is used for turn order. You don't need to flip a coin for the second game.

Streamers
If thinking about mass appeal, watchability—all that—then additional effort can be made before the tournament starts to gather info and distribute streamers across different groups.
Or conversely, if they have the desire, group them into a "streamer group." Like how Group 15 accidentally became a gathering of like-minded slackers. In the end, the main slacker was eliminated without finishing the group because he didn't read the rules and thought he had already been knocked out, but that doesn't matter—they are on the same wavelength and getting their own kick out of it; we shouldn't get in their way, and can even help them. As much as possible.
This is open for discussion. It's just a perspective from which the situation in this tournament hasn't been viewed yet. The idea was mentioned.

Rule regarding disqualification of inactive players in groups.
So we don't have to reinvent the wheel every time.
Less than 50% of games played—results are annulled. More than or equal to 50%—they remain in force.
In reality, these turned out to be quite complex situations with non-obvious layouts and nuances, and in practice, this rule felt intuitively correct when applied to different situations.

Reserve week at the end of the group stage.
In fact, it didn't work at all. It only gives false hope to those who like to dawdle.
Either it needs to be specified that it is only for pre-agreed complex situations and Force Majeure, and only if such things occur... maybe it will be added, but by default, no. But most likely, no one will bother reading into it.
And in the event of particularly complex situations—the deadline can still be extended on an individual basis (as was the case after the Tvaryn-Hosenk match), so it's easier not to write or invent anything about this extra week at all. Let everyone aim to play everything properly within the timeframe.

Tournament Summary Statistics.

Castles.

Total participants - 96
Necropolis 21
Rampart 18
Dungeon, Castle 13
Conflux, Fortress 9
Tower 7
Inferno, Stronghold 3

Winner - Stronghold :smile03:

Templates.

Groups
70 6lm10a
30 Mini-Nosta
23 Jebus
18 8xm12a
14 Diamond
13 Anarchy
13 2sm4d(3)
9 Spider
6 8mm6a
5 Mix
2 h3dm1
2 mt_diamond

Playoffs
36 6lm10a
17 Mini-Nosta
13 8xm12a
10 Diamond
9 2sm4d(3)
7 Spider
6 Jebus
5 Anarchy
1 h3dm1
1 mt_diamond
1 8mm6a
0 Mix

I would also like to express my gratitude to Sanin and Khosenko, who joined as judges at a very crucial moment, immediately got involved, and offered sensible adjustments to the rules. Their participation not only made the tournament easier to run and alleviated some of the problems, but I also believe it attracted about 20 participants towards the end of the registration period.