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More politics. Yeeeessss. Petya, go for it!

Petya is setting things on fire with coal and gas :D

Don't we have moderators anymore? Or is it okay now to engage in inciting ethnic hatred and making direct personal insults in one paragraph? Especially towards characters who historically never had any state other than the Russian one. Kyiv is the mother of all Russian cities, an originally Russian city and territory of the Russian Empire. And the Dnieper is the same: "In the decree of Catherine II dated January 22, 1784, it says: 'For the sake of convenience, the provincial city called Yekaterinoslav should be located on the right bank of the Dnieper River near Kaidak…'". So, who stole what from whom?))

Dude, you've got mush for brains. Of course, it didn't exist; Kyiv Rus' and the Hetmanate were not states in the Heroes of Might and Magic sense. Regarding the city, almost everything is correct, except it wasn't a "Russian" city, but a Ruthenian city. Rus' is Ukraine. The Greeks-Byzantines pronounced the name Rus' as Ru'ssia, and the Latins as Ruthenia. The inhabitants of this state were called Ruthenians or Ruthenes. The name of the country was also widely known by its natural, true name – Rus'. At the same time, the name Ukraine was also used. However, the name Rus' – as Russia – gained the greatest popularity in the world, especially in modern times, starting in the 18th century, and the reason for this was its adoption as the new name of the Moscow Tsardom, which was being actively rebuilt and expanded at that time by Tsar Peter I, creating an empire. The Moscow Tsar wanted, at all costs, to establish himself in the world and, in particular, to change the attitude of the old European states towards him. Under Peter I, the Moscow Tsardom was renamed and began to be called "Russia" (Russia), when he first, as if incognito, traveled to Europe, where he was not received by any royal court, although he attended balls with dignitaries. Simply put, Moscow was not known at that time, and it was considered an Asian country. And there was a negative attitude towards Asians. Rus' was known for a long time. That is why, upon returning from Europe, the Moscow Tsar renamed his tsardom, and the Muscovites first learned that they were Great Russians (later, Russians). It was "Russia" that Peter I began to call his empire. And it began to be called Russia only later – perhaps under the influence of the name of the river now familiar to Russians, or some tribe called the Ros', and not vice versa, as some Russian historians later began to claim, or perhaps because, due to the peculiarities of their anatomy and articulation, it is easier for "Russians" to pronounce the word "Russia" than the unfamiliar "Rus'." It also helped Moscow that the Ukrainian lands – Rus' (and Ukraine was known in the West only as Rus') were already under Moscow's control. Great Russians are the only people in the world who, until the beginning of the 18th century, did not have their own name, but were called the Moscow people. At the same time, the term Little Russians (later, Little Russians) began to be applied to Ukrainians-Ruthenians. By changing the ethnonym, Peter I hoped not only to destroy the sense of separateness of Ukrainians and Belarusians in relation to Muscovites in this way, but also to make the latter more receptive to European civilization. His followers acted in the same way, in particular Catherine II. In simple terms, Peter the First rewrote history, carrying out a substitution of original concepts, who is who. The use of the name of a neighboring state – Rus' – as its own name and its distortion to the name Russia led to the emergence of, perhaps, one of the greatest myths in world history.

Ah, so that's the issue... Apparently, Petrov is no longer taken seriously at balls...
But what does this juggling of vowels and consonants have to do with an event that is apolitical? Please, share your opinions on relevant forums and in appropriate threads.

The Great Russians are the only nation in the world that did not have its own name until the beginning of the 18th century.

Are you saying that Italy was already a unified state, and wasn't unified in the 19th century? :p
And the German Empire, according to you, was created in ancient times, and not in 1870. :confused:

I would like to visit Georgia; according to Parfenov's YouTube blog, it's a very welcoming country.

Don't we have moderators anymore? Or is it now acceptable to engage in inciting ethnic hatred and making direct personal insults in a single paragraph? Especially towards characters who historically have never had any state other than the Russian one. Kyiv is the mother of all Russian cities, an originally Russian city and territory of the Russian Empire. And the Dnieper is the same: "In the decree of Catherine II dated January 22, 1784, it says: 'For the sake of convenience, the provincial city called Yekaterinoslav should be located on the right bank of the Dnieper River near Kaidak...'" So, who stole what from whom?))

Isn't this inciting ethnic hatred? Why are some users' messages deleted and then they are banned, while something like this is calmly allowed.

So, the tags clearly indicate that it's not about inciting hatred. Inciting hatred is just a version of Merlin's behavior; why should it immediately be considered the truth?
Perhaps there is some inciting hatred here, but I'm not an expert on the matter and won't judge.

Piterius received some points for blatant flaming and was automatically banned. No one specifically banned him, nor did they intend to; the forum did it automatically, based on the overall situation. Merlin received no fewer violations than Pyotr in this episode, including for flaming in this message; he simply didn't accumulate enough points to trigger an automatic ban.
Furthermore, if you read carefully, you'll notice that nothing was deleted.

I recommend installing Discord; there's now an excellent chat room there, and the party continues all day long, including with the participation of the main star – Piterius. I hope it stays that way because the forum has always needed a lightning rod, and now it finally has one.

But to stay in Sode and be afraid to try something new – that is “shame and degradation.”

So, what if it’s not about fear? What if it’s about disgust?

Hmm... I was just expecting everything to be deleted without explanation, but it turns out all the trash has been moved here...
So, regarding my reaction to the obvious and repeated provocation from Peterius – well, this is my reaction. When some unknown person starts poking me about something I have absolutely nothing to do with (and the moderation is inactive at that moment – this isn't a discussion about moderators, but a statement of fact), I can't stay silent.
As for the pseudo-historical and pseudo-linguistic discussions – I must say, besides personal interpretations, there are specific historical documents and authoritative sources of information recognized by the global scientific community.
And mentioning how in the USSR, modern Russia, and modern Ukraine (both of which are direct successors to the USSR in terms of twisting the truth) rewrite school and other textbooks – is almost unnecessary.
Regarding the word "characters" – it generally referred to a forum user who is well-known for repeatedly posting political content in topics that have nothing to do with politics. And my response to the provocateur can probably be interpreted as inciting – a specific… outburst… (and it's very strange that someone else got upset), so if any points were actually awarded, I'm all for it, but I would like it to be a consistent action, and then order will be restored in all topics (and not selectively and "according to someone's opinion").
As for the flame in the messages and awarding points specifically for flame – I would recommend that those awarding points start with themselves and analyze all their messages in all forum topics – that is, along with awarding points to someone else for flame, they should also award them to themselves. And in general, regarding flame – in my opinion, on the forum, points could be awarded to about half of the active users on this basis.

In simple terms, Peter the Great rewrote history, carrying out a substitution of original concepts, defining who is who.

These "proto-Ukrainians" are getting tiresome with their nationalism, as if there isn't anywhere else to do it. I'm going to finish your "kisel" now.
The Muscovite Tsardom is a direct successor to the ancient Slavic statehood. Let me remind you that the Mongols destroyed Kyiv, and the Russian state remained only in the "forest lands," where even the Metropolitan of All Rus' moved – to Vladimir and then to Moscow.
Kyiv went under the Lithuanians, then under the Polish-Catholics; the left bank of the Dnieper generally became the Wild Field, where the Crimean people came for slaves (and when Moscow defeated the Khanate, gangs of Cossacks appeared here). Hence, there are no signs of an independent statehood for these territories.
All the cities of Ukraine were built either by the Russian Empire or during the Soviet era.

Install Discord already. Petya has been waiting for Merlin there. Davos and Meo would also be glad to see him. And Kloop should be encouraged to separate the "difficult" chat and the relaxation channel. What's the point of writing here if the main antagonist can't respond? And he's already found a new place to spread his nonsense.

You should really set up a Discord.

I wish I could unsee and forget what I already read there. And even here, the last post was made in the hope that it would end this pointless argument (because it's obvious that no one will convince anyone of anything). But now I realize that there will be those who take it seriously.

You should really set up a Discord server. Petya has been waiting for Merlin there. Davos and Meo would also be glad to join.
And Kloppa needs to be encouraged to separate the "difficult" chat and the relaxation channel.
What's the point of writing here if the main antagonist can't respond? And he's already found a new place to spread his nonsense.

But won't there be moderators in Discord, and will it just be the same nonsense from Peterius again? What's the point of Discord then?
Even in the group chat from Armageddon about Heroes 3: SoD or HotA, there are moderators.

Isn't there any moderation on Discord, and will we see the same nonsense from Peterius again? What's the point of having Discord then?
Even in the group chat for Heroes 3 SOD or HotA on Armageddon, there are moderators.

As long as there are no rules in the Discord channel, there's nothing to moderate. Deleting and banning will only happen for extreme cases of outrageous behavior.

P.S.: Oh, these CoolStoryBob discussions about history. Suddenly, everyone is an expert on historical events :D I'm glad I never liked or studied history.

They're really annoying with their constant nationalist propaganda, as if there's nowhere else to do it. I'll make you regret it.

Honestly, they've become quite tiresome with this topic. But, in principle, anything can be discussed, and this one is, in general, quite interesting.
Kyivan Rus' declined as a civilization by the time of the Mongol invasion. For the same reasons that our Great Russia did at the end of the 20th century - everything became rotten and corrupted, and internal conflicts began. A historical cycle came to an end... Now, something new should replace the Great Russians, just as Muscovy once replaced Kyiv... or nothing will come. And, in principle, Ukrainians could also claim to be this "new" force. But looking at the "jumping" ones, it doesn't seem like they have any prospects.

Since there are no rules in the Discord channel yet, there's nothing to moderate. Deleting and banning will only happen for extreme cases of outrageous behavior.

P.S.: Oh, these "CoolStoryBob" discussions about history are always the same. Suddenly, everyone turns out to be an expert on historical events :D Good thing I never liked or studied history.

I need to watch documentaries about World War II and the Finnish War; everything isn't quite as it's shown in the movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukNW6PStXRc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpY6G4CI5Y&t=11s