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Announcement

Sanin

7/13/2018 11:15 AM UTC

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«OFB - 12»

Registration is open for the qualifying tournament for the most prestigious online HoMM 3 tournament on heroesworld.ru – «Final Battle»

Organizational Matters:

1. Tournament host – Sanin (ICQ - 423164784); judges – LuckyF (ICQ - 681350680), Dave_HUN (ICQ - 635192642), Dirty Player (ICQ - 408722873).
2. The tournament is official, regular, and conducted according to the Rules for organizing, conducting, and participating in online HOMM3 tournaments.
3. All tournament games are included in the HoMM3 HW Player Rating.
4. After the start of tournament games, the tournament regulations will not change.
5. Disputed matters, if any arise, are discussed outside the forum. To resolve, contact the host or one of the tournament judges on ICQ and provide daily save files, ICQ logs, and other necessary information.
6. Tournament games must be played within the established deadline. Violation of game deadlines may, at the discretion of the host and tournament judges, result in penalties up to and including disqualification from the tournament.

Requirements for Participants:

- Players with unconfirmed reports will not be accepted into the tournament.
- Applications from players recently registered on the forum will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
- The organizers reserve the right to refuse registration to players who have repeatedly withdrawn or been disqualified from other HeroesWorld tournaments.

Regulations

Rules:

1. Game Version: The tournament is played on the SoD version + HD mod.
2. Tournament games use the HW_rulez 1.40 and HW_rulez 1.38.2 patches.
HW_rulez 1.38.2 patch is used for playing on the h3dm1 template and for games in "Battle of Mages" mode.
HW_rulez 1.40 patch is used for all other templates and in all rounds except the second.
3. The tournament is conducted according to the rules of online HoMM 3 games.
Clarification to the rules: on all templates, the "Mage Guild Restructure" option must be enabled, while when playing with the HW_rulez 1.40 patch, the "Library Restructure" option is disabled. When playing with the HW_rulez 1.38.2 patch, there are no restrictions on Library Restructure.
4. Restarts total 3 days (111+111+111 or 111+112 or 113), for the h3dm1 template – one day (111).
5. Templates:
Panic, h3dm1, Diamond, Mini-Nostalgia, Jebus Cross, 6lm10a, Spider.
The template is chosen by standard drawing of lots, the order of the draw is determined by a coin toss.
6. The tournament game regulations will change depending on the round.
First Round: standard bidding, standard rules.
Second Round: standard bidding, games are played with the "Battle of Mages" option enabled (more about the option).
Third Round: standard bidding, standard rules.
Fourth Round: standard bidding, but opponents choose each other's starting heroes (see the 2010 tournament for an example).
Details. For all templates except h3dm1: after generating a pair of towns in the lobby, standard bidding takes place. The player who wins the bidding chooses their town first, after which opponents assign each other starting heroes.
For the h3dm1 template: a random town is generated in the lobby, after which opponents bid for the right to assign the opponent's hero first.
Fifth Round: standard bidding, standard rules.
Sixth Round: 200% fullrandom on all templates. Color is determined by a coin toss and changes after each subjective restart.
Seventh Round: standard bidding, standard rules.
Eighth Round: standard bidding, games are played without rules on all templates.
Ninth Round: standard bidding, standard rules.
7. Color selection: bidding is conducted for the right to choose color (exception - sixth round).

Tournament Format:

1. Registration from July 13 to July 21 (dates may be adjusted, follow updates).
2. Start of tournament games – July 23, 2018. End of tournament – November 26, 2018.
3. The tournament is conducted using the Swiss system in 9 rounds. Each round lasts 14 days.
4. Within the round deadline, a report of the completed round game must be submitted in the tournament thread to record the tournament result. Failure to comply with this rule requirement will result in either a technical result or a 0-0 score being assigned for the match.
5. Round deadlines:
Round 1: July 23 – August 5
Round 2: August 6 – August 19
Round 3: August 20 – September 2
Round 4: September 3 – September 16
Round 5: September 17 – September 30
Round 6: October 1 – October 14
Round 7: October 15 – October 28
Round 8: October 29 – November 11
Round 9: November 12 – November 25
6. A win gives 3 points, a draw gives 1 point, a loss gives 0 points.
Places are determined based on points earned.
In case of a tie in points, the following tiebreakers apply in order of priority:
1) Buchholz coefficient;
2) Number of wins;
3) Head-to-head result;
If the tiebreakers do not allow for the distribution of places among participants who may qualify for the final stage of the tournament, tie-breaks will be held.
Tie-break rules: drawing lots for templates, random pair of towns + bidding for town choice and color choice.
7. 16 players participate in the «Final Battle–12»:
FB-11 Winner LuckyF,
FB-11 2nd place Dave_HUN,
FB-11 3rd place FireToSky,
Winner or finalist of the «Only XL-5» tournament,
Winner or finalist of the «Favorites, Into Battle-10» tournament,
Winner or finalist of the «Wowa Memorial» tournament,
Winner of the «Новичок - 2018. Winter» tournament, provided they have a rating of 1750+,
The top 9 places (guaranteed) – from the OFB-12 tournament.

Additions:
If the winner of the «Новичок - 2018. Winter» tournament refuses to participate in FB-12, their slot will be taken by the finalist of that tournament;
If the winner (finalist) of the «Новичок - 2018. Winter» tournament does not have a rating of 1750+ at the start of the FB-12 tournament, their slot will be taken by the player who finished 10th or lower in OFB-12;
If LuckyF, Dave_HUN or FireToSky refuse to participate in FB-12, their slot will be taken by a player from the OFB-12 tournament;
If LuckyF, Dave_HUN or FireToSky win the «Only XL-5», «Favorites, Into Battle-10» or «Wowa Memorial» tournaments, the right to participate in FB-12 passes to the finalists of those tournaments.
If the winners of the «Only XL-5», «Favorites, Into Battle-10» or «Wowa Memorial» tournaments are among the players who take a qualifying place in OFB-12 or refuse to participate in the FB-12 tournament, the right to participate in FB-12 passes to the finalists of those tournaments.
If the finalists of the «Only XL-5», «Favorites, Into Battle-10» or «Wowa Memorial» tournaments are also among the players who take a qualifying place in OFB-12, or refuse to participate in the FB-12 tournament, their slot will be taken by the player who finished 10th or lower in OFB-12.

ICQ 423164784

In reply to Dima Surmay

Dirty_Player

12/3/2018 5:24 PM UTC

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Dima Surmay

when you say that the program assigns a conditional draw and awards points, are these points only for the Buchholz coefficient? Or does it also add points for the draw to the main points scored?

No, only to the Buchholz, it has nothing to do with the points scored. There, a win is exactly 3, and a loss is exactly 0.

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Georg_

12/3/2018 8:58 PM UTC

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Sanin

And finally, a manual calculation where a draw gives 1 point instead of 0.5. This last option was also quickly rejected because it gave the same top three players as the Dirty program, or the same top three as my program – the whole question is how to calculate the Buchholz score for twaryna.

Dirty_Player

P.S.: +0.5 or +1 makes no difference, the order of the ranking remains the same, I checked. The overall table is also attached.

Why the same top three? According to Dirty's calculations:

Redwhait 140 - 4*3 + 5*0.5 = 130.5
Georg_ 136 - 3*3 + 6*0.5 = 130

If 0.5 is changed to 1, it will be 133. Or am I misunderstanding something?

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kamukag3e

12/3/2018 9:03 PM UTC

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Sanin

What did we have? We had 4 ways to calculate the Buchholz score: the most primitive one (from Kamikaze) - which, of course, was not seriously considered. 2 software calculations, in which 0.5 is given for an unplayed game in the Buchholz calculation - the calculation provided by my program and the calculation provided by the Dirty program. And finally - a manual calculation, in which 1 point is given for a draw, and not 0.5. The last option was also quickly rejected because it gave the same top three players as the Dirty program, or the same top three as my program - the whole question is how to calculate the Buchholz score for twaryna.

Dirty_Player

I'll explain what the fuss was about. In the old version, the program breaks up pairs a couple of times and, when calculating the coefficient, assigns a draw against itself. At the same time, players could meet each other again. And in the latest version, the program does not break up pairs, but assigns a conditional draw to the players and calculates based on this.
P.S.: +0.5 or +1 makes no difference, the order of the ranking is the same, I checked. The overall table is also attached.

Could you explain for the less tech-savvy, using Redwhait as an example, how the Buchholz coefficient is calculated manually? If I'm not mistaken, Redwhait has no free wins or free losses.

艰难获胜 herolwy

In reply to kamukag3e

Georg_

12/3/2018 10:25 PM UTC

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kamukag3e

Could you provide an example using Redwhait to explain how the Buchholz coefficient is calculated manually for those who are not familiar with it? If I'm not mistaken, Redwhait doesn't have any free wins or free losses.

It takes into account the free wins and free losses not only of the player himself, but also of those he played against.

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Dirty_Player

In the old version, the program would sometimes break the pairings and assign a draw against himself when calculating the coefficient. At the same time, the players could meet each other again. In the latest version, the program doesn't break the pairings, but assigns a conditional draw to the players and calculates based on that.

Where did the difference of 7.5 points come from? (132.5 and 125)
In the first situation, he receives +15.5 in the Buchholz coefficient for this game (a draw with himself and, accordingly, the sum of his own points, but taking into account that the game was a draw: 18-3+0.5)

and in the second, +12.5 (a draw with Dusto, the sum of Dusto's points, taking into account that the game was a draw: 12+0.5)

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In general, there is no clear explanation of how the Buchholz coefficient should be calculated correctly, there is no understanding of how the program calculates it, and accordingly, it is impossible to verify the data it provides, to check whether an error was made when entering the data into it. Accordingly, there are all grounds for applying a clause from the regulations:

Sanin

In the event of a tie in points, the following additional criteria apply in order of priority:
1) Buchholz coefficient;
2) Number of wins;
3) Head-to-head result;
If the places cannot be determined between the participants who have the opportunity to reach the final stage of the tournament, tie-breaks will be held.

In reply to Georg_

Dirty_Player

12/4/2018 1:47 AM UTC

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kamukag3e

Could you provide an example using Redwhait to explain how the Buchholz coefficient is calculated manually for those who are not familiar with it? If I'm not mistaken, Redwhait doesn't have any free wins or free losses.

Let's try.
Redwhait:
1) Sir Davos has 15 points (5 wins), including 2 free wins in rounds 4 and 9. The program doesn't count them, but it considers them as two draws with a score of +0.5. Total: 9+0.5+0.5 = 10
2) Ihromant, same as above, 15 (9+0.5+0.5 = 10)
3) YaR 12 has one free loss in the last round, but it's also counted as +0.5 (12+0.5 = 12.5)
4) herolwy 22, all games played normally, so +22 in the coefficient
5) kamukad3e 19, all games played
6) Roger-ua 12, all games played
7) sonic111 15, all games played
8) SECTOR767 15, all games played
9) HellLighT 15, all games played
Total: 10+10+12.5+22+19+12+15+15+15 = 130.5

Georg_

Where did the difference of 7.5 points come from? (132.5 and 125)
In the first situation, he gets +15.5 in the Buchholz coefficient (a draw with himself and, accordingly, the sum of his own points, but taking into account that the game was a draw: 18-3+0.5)

and in the second, +12.5 (a draw with Dusto, the sum of Dusto's points, taking into account that the game was a draw: 12+0.5)

As I understand it, in the first case, the system gives him +18 and +0.5 = 18.5 (I don't know why you have -3 in your calculation). I get the figure 132.5.
And in the second, by the same logic, it should give +9.5 as Dusto's result and +0.5 for the draw. Total +10. But why the difference turned out to be exactly 7.5, and not 8.5 as in the calculations, I can't answer at the moment. I get a total of 124, not 125. :smile35: But most likely, I'm not taking something into account. :smile32: For now, this is the only unclear point for me in these calculations.

But globally, this doesn't change the essence of the matter. 124 or 125 - it's not that important, because Tvaryna doesn't pass according to this system in any case. And in the first case, he passes with a margin, but then Reddi doesn't pass. That's why it was decided to give them a tie-breaker game.

In reply to Dirty_Player

kamukag3e

12/4/2018 7:31 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

Let's try.
Redwhait:
1) Sir Davos has 15 points (5 wins), including 2 free wins in rounds 4 and 9. The program doesn't count them, but considers them as two draws with a +0.5 result. Total: 9+0.5+0.5 = 10
2) Ihromant, the same: 15 (9+0.5+0.5 = 10)
3) YaR 12 has one free loss in the last round, but it also counts as +0.5 (12+0.5 = 12.5)
4) herolwy 22, all games played normally, so +22 in the coefficient
5) kamukad3e 19, all games played
6) Roger-ua 12, all games played
7) sonic111 15, all games played
8) SECTOR767 15, all games played
9) HellLighT 15, all games played
Total: 10+10+12.5+22+19+12+15+15+15 = 130.5

Therefore, the decision was made to have a tiebreaker game.

Now everything is clear, thanks to Dirty and Sanin for sorting out this unfortunate accountant's coefficient and ultimately making the most reasonable decision, as they say, "respect and kudos." Thank you, Sanin, for organizing the tournament at a high level.
P.s. As one well-known Heroes player wrote to me in ICQ, before they started dealing with the accountant, he thought that this coefficient was applied in the CIS region and counted who drank more:D

艰难获胜 herolwy

In reply to Dirty_Player

Georg_

12/4/2018 10:55 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

As I understand it, in the first case, the system gives him +18 and +0.5 = 18.5 (I don't know why you have -3 in your calculation)

But you calculate free wins in the same way, right? A free win is calculated as a draw with oneself. That is, the player's own score is added to the Buchholz score, but taking into account that this game was played as a draw. Accordingly, in the total score, it is not 18, but 18 - 3 + 0.5 (since for this game he does not receive 3 points for a win, but receives 0.5 for a draw)

And I am more concerned about the answer to my previous post, where, taking into account that a draw should give 1 instead of 0.5 (which looks more logical and reasonable), Redwait and I have an equal Buchholz score.

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Xocenk

12/4/2018 1:03 PM UTC

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Georg_

Redwhait 140 - 4*3 + 5*0.5 = 130.5
Georg_ 136 - 3*3 + 6*0.5 = 130

If 0.5 is changed to 1, it will be 133 for both. Or am I misunderstanding something?

Dirty_Player

Let's try.
Redwhait:
1) Sir Davos has 15 points (5 wins), including 2 free wins in rounds 4 and 9. The program doesn't count them, but considers them as two draws with +0.5. Total: 9+0.5+0.5 = 10
2) Ihromant, the same: 15 (9+0.5+0.5 = 10)
3) YaR 12 has one free loss in the last round, but it also counts as +0.5 (12+0.5 = 12.5)
4) herolwy 22, all games played normally, so +22 in the coefficient
5) kamukad3e 19, all games played
6) Roger-ua 12, all games played
7) sonic111 15, all games played
8) SECTOR767 15, all games played
9) HellLighT 15, all games played
Total: 10+10+12.5+22+19+12+15+15+15 = 130.5

Indeed, judging by the calculated coefficient for Redwhait, and if Georg didn't make a mistake when calculating his coefficient, then if both have 0.5 replaced with 1 (as it should be in the 3-1-0 system), the number of points will be equal.
Ideally, for all 6 players with 18 points, such a detailed calculation should be done in the 3-1-0 system. Otherwise, these are unconfirmed figures (some unspecified program, and also results from two different versions are taken into account), contradicting the regulations (there are no 0.5 values there).

Ah, it was already briefly described for 0.5:

Dirty_Player

Dima Surmay 138 - 1*3 + 10*0.5 = 140
Yostaris 123 - 0 + 17*0.5 = 131.5
Redwhait 140 - 4*3 + 5*0.5 = 130.5
Georg_ 136 - 3*3 + 6*0.5 = 130
Amiloo 108 - 1*3 + 16*0.5 = 113

Changing 0.5 to 1:
Dima Surmay 138 - 1*3 + 10*1 = 145
Yostaris 123 - 0 + 17*1 = 140
Redwhait 140 - 4*3 + 5*1 = 133
Georg_ 136 - 3*3 + 6*1 = 133
Amiloo 108 - 1*3 + 16*1 = 121

ICQ - 703804372
Discord - Xocenk#2473

In reply to Xocenk

korovka1987

12/4/2018 1:11 PM UTC

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The CIS champion must be on Facebook!
How could they forget about the winner of this tournament? :mad:
(Please take this into account during the next selection).

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Dirty_Player

12/4/2018 1:49 PM UTC

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Georg_

Well, you calculate free wins in the same way, right? A free win is considered a draw against oneself. That is, the player's own score is added to the Buchholz score, but taking into account that this game ended in a draw. Accordingly, the total score is not 18, but 18 - 3 + 0.5 (since he does not receive 3 points for this game, but receives 0.5 for a draw).

The point is that Tvarina doesn't have a free win; he has a loss. 18 points were earned through honest effort.

Georg_

And I am more concerned about the answer to my previous post, where, taking into account that a draw should give 1 point instead of 0.5 (which looks more logical and reasonable), Redwhait and I have an equal Buchholz score.

Yes, that's true. But in any case, it's about Tvarina. He either has more points than you, or he has fewer.

Xocenk

We change 0.5 to 1:
Dima Surmay 138 - 1*3 + 10*1= 145
Yostaris 123 - 0 + 17*1 = 140
Redwhait 140 - 4*3 + 5*1 = 133
Georg_ 136 - 3*3 + 6*1 = 133
Amiloo 108 - 1*3 + 16*1 = 121

Yes, my table has exactly the same numbers, only Tvarina ended up with more points, which is why I didn't pay attention to the equality, because according to the table, Reddi was higher. We will discuss this with Sanin and decide whether we will take this into account.

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korovka1987

The CIS champion must be in the Facebook group!!!

What about the Siberian champion? :D

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korovka1987

12/4/2018 3:49 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

What about the champion of Siberia? :D

"small fan":D

In reply to Sanin

Xocenk

12/5/2018 8:11 AM UTC

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Sanin

Round nine is over.

Technical results (the game was started):
Montt def Roger-ua

Technical results (the game was not started):
sir Davos Seaworth def WAYD
MicroElf def Medium_HP

Can you explain what the fundamental difference is between these results? As I understand it, the first one doesn't particularly affect the Buchholz rating (standard +3 for the winner, 0 for the loser), and it's considered a regular win. But in the second case, the technical win gives -3 +1 to the Buchholz, while a regular win just gives +1.
But in the first case, they could have played for a couple of days, saved the game, and not finished it. Why are these cases separated? (I understand that they are counted differently because of Roger.)
For example, a win by judges' decision (based on game advantage) is, of course, a different case, unlike these two wins due to time limits.

Sanin

rebellious vs Alin - Alin did not play the required 5 hours during the ODD (Over-the-Board Deadline) - if the game is not finished on time, this will be grounds to award the win to rebellious

Sanin

Round eight is over.

Technical results (the game was started):
rebellious def Alin

It's a slightly different case. In this case, it's essentially a technical win based on the ODD, not on the game itself. Is it a regular win for the Buchholz rating?

ICQ - 703804372
Discord - Xocenk#2473

In reply to Xocenk

Redwhait

12/6/2018 10:58 AM UTC

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I would like to hear the judges’ final decision.

In reply to Sanin

sir Davos Seaworth

12/6/2018 1:02 PM UTC

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Sanin

I'll start with the most important thing that everyone is interested in: the right to replace the winner of the Novice tournament, kolianxxxxxx, will be contested by Redwhait and twaryna.

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Since this game is part of the tournament, the rules will be the same as the tournament rules. The same pool of templates, library rebuilding is disabled by default (note: rule 1.40 is no longer required for this), standard rules and timers. By default, games are played in a bo1 format, but a bo3 format can be played by agreement. Post the games in this thread, and the deadline is preferably by the end of the week.

it was already said...

"There's no need to execute me,sir Davos . I'll be dead before dawn."
ICQ 716748479

In reply to Sanin

Dirty_Player

12/6/2018 3:18 PM UTC

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Redwhait

I would like to hear the judges' final decision.

The final decision remains in effect. We discussed everything with Sanin again today and decided to leave everything as it is.

Sanin

I will start with the most important thing that everyone is interested in: the right to replace the winner of the Novice tournament, kolianxxxxxx, will be contested by Redwhait and twaryna.

Ideally, they should play before Saturday, as I plan to draw the brackets on Saturday and would like to know for sure who will be playing.

In the next OFB, we will take into account the coefficient issue to avoid any questions.
Also, we will come up with some kind of bonus for Georg_ in the next OFB.