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Zybr

9/10/2007 5:19 PM UTC

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Ley;111713

Reply: That's enough for me! It's not necessary to keep playing with this character. Everything has already been proven to him.

I'm not saying that we need to prove his guilt. Everything has already been proven to him.
And he definitely won't continue to participate in this tournament.
In my opinion, that's quite enough in this case.
But ultimately, it's not up to you and me to decide.
So, I suggest we end the discussion, because you'll still stick to your opinion, and I'll stick to mine, and we'll just clutter up the thread. :)

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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OptiMAL

9/10/2007 5:21 PM UTC

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BotINKi;111711

This is going too far... What makes you think this is an isolated incident??? It's not up to you or Optimal to decide... it's up to the Forum Administration!...

But online tournaments for Heroes 4 are organized not by the administration, but by the players themselves and just forum participants. We need to decide, and it is up to us, whether this player will participate in the tournaments that WE organize. Why ban him? Let him write posts and so on. We're not talking about a ban, but about disqualification from tournaments!
Sincerely

:D

Ley

9/10/2007 5:22 PM UTC

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2 IronAxe: I agree with you on one hand, but on the other... You're saying that it's impossible to completely remove him from this portal? Are you saying it can't be done? We all have different opinions and different variations on this topic, but in any case, it's not up to us to make the decision, but to the administration, and if they decide to remove him, I think they will find a way to do it... I said my version, you said yours - that's all there was to this topic, isn't it? :)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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BotINKi

9/10/2007 5:23 PM UTC

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IronAxe;111714

Or, you think that this will create a precedent for widespread cheating by newcomers on the forum? Well, that's exactly what will happen if they are banned.

Going to Tula with a samovar?? What does the precedent of widespread cheating by newcomers have to do with it??? We were talking about forgiveness...
"and he was forgiven... why am I any worse?..." Those who want to enter a code will want to enter it anyway... because if anything, they can write: "sorry, I cheated :D" and besides, you still have to figure it out, catch them in the act...

Клан"Yan-luo-Wan"

Зло летает на крыльях, добро ползает как черепаха.

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Zybr

9/10/2007 5:27 PM UTC

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BotINKi;111722

Going to Tula with a samovar?? What does this have to do with the precedent of widespread cheating among newcomers??? We were talking about forgiveness...
"and he was forgiven... why am I any worse??..." those who want to enter a code will want to enter it... because if anything, they can write: "sorry, I cheated :D" and besides, you still have to figure it out, catch them in the act...

Does anyone here actually read the topic creator's posts?! It says that this is the FIRST AND LAST CASE!!!! There won't be any others.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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IronAxe

9/10/2007 5:32 PM UTC

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BotINKi;111722

Going to Tula with a samovar?? What does this have to do with the precedent of widespread cheating among newcomers??? We were talking about forgiveness...
"and he was forgiven... why am I any worse??..." those who want to enter a code will want to enter it... because if something happens, they can just write: "sorry, I cheated :D" and besides, you still have to figure it out, catch them in the act...

Don't you understand that if he stays under his old nickname, he will also retain the stigma of being caught cheating. And what do you suggest? That he changes his provider, nickname, logs in right away, and registers for a tournament - AND THAT'S IT! HE'S FREE - WITH A CLEAR CONSCIENCE :) Your suggestion about a ban looks more like a COMPLETE AMNESTY :) Stop fooling around :)

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OptiMAL

9/10/2007 5:33 PM UTC

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ZYbr;111723

Does anyone here actually read the thread starter's posts?! It says this is the FIRST AND LAST time!!!! There won't be any others.

I don't think so.... But I'll be a persistent fly:D
So:
1) We're talking about participating in future tournaments, not about a ban.
2) Your argument is already partially off-topic.
3) Let's stop this nonsense and stick to the topic (see point 1 of this post, or the first post in general).
Sincerely, OptiMAL

:D

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IronAxe

9/10/2007 5:36 PM UTC

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Ley;111721

2 IronAxe:
I agree with you on one hand, but on the other...
You're saying that it's impossible to completely exclude him from this forum? Are you saying it's impossible?

In theory, yes. Changing providers, using proxy switchers, or even changing computers – and how would you determine under which nickname he'll appear here after your ban? I understand your opinion, but I believe that if the person publicly acknowledged their mistake, they deserve a second chance. And the fact that Pandora should unilaterally decide the fate of this person on the forum is also not right. :)

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BASON

9/10/2007 5:36 PM UTC

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BotINKi;111722

Bringing a samovar to Tula?? What does this have to do with the precedent of widespread cheating among newcomers??? We were talking about forgiveness...
"and he was forgiven... why am I any worse??..." those who want to enter a code will want to enter it... because if anything, they can write: "sorry, I cheated :D" and besides, you still have to figure it out, catch them in the act...

This is a friendly judgment. You could even call it a show trial. Although I voted for a second chance, there will be no more forgiveness for such cheating.
And in general: they made a fuss over nothing!:smile31: I don't see anything wrong with what happened: whether or not to play with him is now up to each individual. That's all!

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IronAxe

9/10/2007 5:40 PM UTC

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OptiMAL;111727

I don't think so... But I'll be a persistent fly:D
So, here's the deal:
1) We're talking about participation in future tournaments, not a ban.
2) Your argument is already partially off-topic.
3) Let's stop this nonsense and stick to the topic (see point 1 of this post, or the first post in general).
Sincerely, OptiMAL

I don't see a difference between a ban and a complete disqualification from tournaments (IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME BAN). In my opinion, disqualification from this tournament and the "fame" he gained from it is enough.

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OptiMAL

9/10/2007 5:42 PM UTC

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IronAxe;111732

I don't see a difference between a ban and a complete disqualification from tournaments (IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME BAN). :) In my opinion, disqualification from this tournament and the "glory" he gained from it would be sufficient.

But he can participate in discussions, write posts, do something for the forum... What does a ban mean? A ban means "get out of the forum." In my opinion, the difference is quite significant.

:D

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IronAxe

9/10/2007 5:51 PM UTC

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BASON;111729

And in general: they made a fuss out of nothing!:smile31: I don't see anything terrible in what happened: whether to play with him or not is now up to each individual. That's all!

:) This is only the case if he remains under his old nickname - WHICH is what we're talking about!!! If he logs in not as ShadowMen but as SuperMen, many might happily rush to compete in strength with Superman :) It will be difficult for him under his old nickname, but apparently he hopes to prove that he is capable of more than just cheating.

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OptiMAL;111734

But he can participate in discussions, write topics, do something for the forum...

What's the point of all that if the guy wanted to try his best to win the tournament at all costs? In this case, after being disqualified, there is only one way - to change his nickname and start over on the forum. And what is the difference - a ban or a disqualification? I don't see it.

OptiMAL;111734

And what about a ban? A ban means get out of the forum. In my opinion, the difference is quite significant.

There is no difference. He should definitely change his nickname. And then there are two paths - to leave this forum and go to another, or to log in here again.

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ewgeniy

9/10/2007 5:52 PM UTC

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And go ahead and say that this isn't just pointless arguing;););)
I probably can't say it better than Axe did... And what am I even doing in a thread for game 4?:):):)
Everyone has their own head on their shoulders, gentlemen. And I assume everyone also has a conscience...
Do what you want, this isn't a court, and it's not even judgment day, it's just Santa Barbara.

Клан"Homo Homini":smile19: Полезные ссылки:smile01:

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Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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BASON

9/10/2007 5:53 PM UTC

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IronAxe;111735

:) That's only if he stays under his old nickname - which is what we're talking about!!! And he won't log in as ShadowMen, but as SuperMen, and many might happily jump at the chance to compete with Superman in strength :) It won't be easy for him under his old nickname, but it seems he's counting on proving that he's capable of more than just cheating.

As for me, I wouldn't want to become some kind of superman! It's probably a blow to the ego because many have been using their nickname for months, or even years. So, it's not as simple as it seems.

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OptiMAL

9/10/2007 5:57 PM UTC

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ewgeniy;111739

This isn't a court, and it's not even time for a trial; it's already Santa Barbara.

It's just that courts are always like that :D
Order must be maintained by force.)

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IronAxe;111735

:)
What's the point of all this if the guy just wanted to try his best to win the tournament no matter what? In this case, after being disqualified, there's only one way – change his nickname and rejoin the forum. And what's the difference between a ban and a disqualification? I don't see one.

There's no difference. He should definitely change his nickname. And then there are two paths – leave this forum and go to another, or log in here again.

It would already be a sign of respect if he stays with this nickname and learns to play (for now, against the computer). At the same time, after learning something, he will participate in discussions in the topics. Later, I think, he might be allowed to participate, but time will tell. And if he still puts his nickname in a neutral position, or even improves his reputation, then again, it will be pleasant for him to know that he has become a normal gamer from a cheater.

:D

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