JUDGMENT — General — HeroesWorld

LeSHiJ-MaX

9/10/2007 4:26 PM UTC

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Hello to all Heroes.
I have carefully read your posts.
I was very upset by the fact that the topic was organized without warning or simply communicating with me about this issue; I think I still had the right to be consulted:confused:. There are certain aspects of this situation that are unknown to the esteemed Heroes, even to OptiMAL. Perhaps they may seem insignificant to some, but I am strongly against the continued participation of the player with this nickname, not only in the Summer Tournament but also in others:mad:. And I warn the participants that there will be no leniency from me regarding any manifestation of cheating in the Tournaments. If certain points are not permitted by the specific rules of the tournament.
I think my opinion regarding this situation is clear, and if you have any questions, please contact me privately or via ICQ. Play fairly:smile16:.
P.S. With respect to all HEROES, of all parts, of this amazing GAME.

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"

Draga Musa Welli

9/10/2007 4:31 PM UTC

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I hate cheaters! We need to ban them like in Counter-Strike!

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Are there any programs that detect cheaters in Heroes of Might and Magic 5, 4, or 3?

In reply to CrasH

Драккошка

9/10/2007 4:35 PM UTC

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I think Shadowman deserves a second chance; see my post at this link for why. But on the other hand, I don't know what to say to those who demand his removal – they are also right. Personally, I hope that Shadowman will remember this :smile42: forever :cool: and won't cheat again :mad:.

А, вот почему.

??+⛓️♿=?

In reply to Ley

Zybr

9/10/2007 4:36 PM UTC

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Ley;111674

But what will you say when this happens again? I remember that several people have already fallen for this "trap." But even if we accept your point of view about mercy, it will look like this: I'm a newbie, I recently registered on the portal, I read this thread - I SAW that he was forgiven as a NEWBIE, and I decide to try to repeat this scheme myself, but in a slightly different, more thoughtful way, so that no one notices, and if someone does notice, I'll immediately confess and hope that the "newbie" story will repeat itself...
So, should we forgive all "such" people now? You need to know the measure of mercy, and sometimes you even need to show your fangs! Sincerely, Ley.

Firstly, if this happens again, he will definitely be banned.
Secondly, this is about a specific person. I think I can defend him and understand him, at least because I played with him, almost at the same time as Pandora, but he didn't use cheats, which speaks in his defense. He just lost once and really wanted to win... I agree that you shouldn't do that, but... I think he probably wouldn't have confessed unless he was counting on being pardoned...
Haven't you ever made a mistake? All your posts don't contain spam, off-topic content, etc. There's definitely at least one post. And should you be banned for that now?! Because it's also a violation of the rules, also intentional, and, by the way, not that minor... This is your phrase, "let's"...

As Optimal rightly pointed out, this is a unique case, and it is unlikely to be repeated, so newbies should probably not expect leniency in the future, even if it does happen...

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

Draga Musa Welli

9/10/2007 4:37 PM UTC

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Let this be a lesson to him! Shadowman, please don't do that again!

In reply to ewgeniy

BotINKi

9/10/2007 4:47 PM UTC

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ewgeniy;111678

What prevents him from doing what the respected Joyce does?
He'll just use a different nickname and start all over again? Or am I wrong?

What prevented him from doing that already??? Understand, Joyce is a rare specimen, and not everyone will want to act like that... This is a quirk of the internet; this phenomenon is uncontrollable. BUT WHAT do you suggest?? Should we leave everything as it is, should we leave him on the forum?? If that's the case, what kind of seriousness are we talking about for the forum???

ewgeniy;111678

Respecting the rules means respecting the person who created them, first and foremost, and the people who follow them out of solidarity with others.

Well said... so, whose side are you on?

ewgeniy;111678

Legends will soon be told about your quick temper, Botinki:smile54:

No-NEED!!!... or is it already too late?:smile35:

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ZYbr, life is cruel... It doesn't forgive mistakes... ___deleted___

Клан"Yan-luo-Wan"

Зло летает на крыльях, добро ползает как черепаха.

In reply to BotINKi

OptiMAL

9/10/2007 4:57 PM UTC

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I think that subsequent instances of cheating will be punished severely. This is just the first time a cheater in Heroes 4 has been caught red-handed. So, this first time will be handled leniently. But this situation will show the players' reaction, and in particular, whether a second chance will be given, and this will only apply to this specific case. So, newcomers, be aware that tournaments will be monitored more closely and strictly. Take note of this.

:D

In reply to BotINKi

ewgeniy

9/10/2007 4:59 PM UTC

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BotINKi;111695

What prevented him from doing so already??? Understand, Joyse is a rare specimen, and not everyone will want to act this way... This is a quirk of the internet; this phenomenon is uncontrollable. BUT WHAT do you suggest?? To leave everything as it is, to leave him on the forum?? If that's the case, what kind of seriousness are we talking about for the forum???

Well said... so, whose side are you on?

No-NE-ED!!!... or is it already too late?:smile35:

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ZYbr, life is cruel... It doesn't forgive mistakes... It feels like you know him... otherwise, why are you so zealously defending him, I don't understand...

Well, here it begins...
What does personal acquaintance have to do with it? Now the mudslinging, flame wars, etc. will begin.
Regarding what prevented him - it's the same thing that made him confess, effectively signing up for a ban...
I'm not on anyone's side; I wrote everything above - and that's enough to justify and confirm my opinion.
Regarding the last point - it's already too late....:smile04: :smile04:

Клан"Homo Homini":smile19: Полезные ссылки:smile01:

В. Уэйтс©

Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.

In reply to BotINKi

Zybr

9/10/2007 5:00 PM UTC

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BotINKi;111695

ZYbr, life is harsh... It doesn't forgive mistakes... It feels like you know that... otherwise, why are you so eager to defend him? I don't understand...

Life gives you the opportunity to correct mistakes; it's just a matter of how you use it...
I don't know him, I've only played with him, he's a newbie, based on the game...
During the game, I formed a certain impression of him, and it seems to me that the violation was not entirely intentional, but rather in a moment of desperation, as I see it...
That's why I'm defending him; I think he deserves a chance.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

In reply to Zybr

Ley

9/10/2007 5:02 PM UTC

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ZYbr;111690

Firstly, if this happens again, he will be banned.

Who said that? Are you just sure that next time you will be able to notice, and if not? What if there are more "masters" like him? He drew his own conclusions, and you say that he "PROBABLY ALREADY REALIZED", but what if he realized how to deceive us so that next time we won't notice anything, what if he learned exactly this lesson, like, they noticed it this time, but it will be impossible to figure it out next time?!

ZYbr;111690

Secondly, we are talking about a specific person here. I think I can defend him and understand him, at least because I played with him, almost at the same time as Pandora, but he didn't use cheats, which speaks in his defense. He just lost once and really wanted to win...

Ah, yes, that's what you mean?! Wow, - so I lose and immediately start cheating? Is that what you mean? And that's why, and also, considering that I'm a newbie, everything can be understood about me?

ZYbr;111690

I agree that you shouldn't do that, but...

Those are golden words, but I would remove the "but".

ZYbr;111690

Have you never made a mistake yourself? All your posts do not contain spam, off-topic content, etc. There is definitely at least one post. And now you will be banned for that?! Because it is also a violation of the rules, also intentional, and, by the way, not so minor... This is your phrase, "let's"...

Of course, I have! Both in life and on the forum (talking about off-topic content), and who hasn't? EVERYONE, ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES, BUT THIS CANNOT BE COMPARED WITH ANYTHING ELSE, IN ANY WAY!

ZYbr;111690

As Optimal rightly pointed out, this is a unique case, and it is unlikely to happen again, so newbies should not expect leniency in the future, even if it does happen...

No one can say that for sure, it may happen again, and I think it will, if we don't start taking measures!

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

In reply to Ley

Zybr

9/10/2007 5:08 PM UTC

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You write as if everyone is your enemy, as if everyone is playing unfairly and plotting intrigues... that's going too far. And OPTIMAL has already written twice that this case is a one-off! Here's a question: how can you judge a person based solely on a message about their cheating that you saw on the forum? I'm not saying I know him well, but I have at least played with him....

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

In reply to ewgeniy

BotINKi

9/10/2007 5:15 PM UTC

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ewgeniy;111703

Well, here we go...
What does personal acquaintance have to do with it? Now the mudslinging, flaming, etc. will begin.

You just want to see it happen... that's why it seems to you that it has already started...
Don't worry... nothing will happen... I think everything is already decided here... and not by me or you...

ewgeniy;111703

Regarding what prevented him - it's the same thing that made him confess, effectively signing up for a ban...

The act was deliberate and calculated... he should have thought about it earlier...
It's too late to cry over spilled milk (idiom)...

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ZYbr;111709

You write as if all people are your enemies, as if everyone is cheating and plotting... that's too much.
And OPTIMAL has already written TWICE that this case is unique!

Here's a question: how can you judge a person based solely on a message about his cheating that you saw on the forum?
I'm not saying I know him well, but I at least played with him....

This is also too much... What makes you think that this case is unique??? It's not up to you or Optimal to decide... it's up to the Forum Administration!...
The answer to your question is nonsense. You didn't communicate with him, you just played. And you played with the monitor, not with him, and there probably weren't any "life" conversations during the game.

Клан"Yan-luo-Wan"

Зло летает на крыльях, добро ползает как черепаха.

In reply to Zybr

Ley

9/10/2007 5:15 PM UTC

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ZYbr;111709

Here's a question: how can you judge a person based solely on a forum post about their cheating?
I'm not saying I know him well, but I have played with him....

Reply: That's enough for me! It's not necessary to play with this person. Everything has already been proven about him.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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IronAxe

9/10/2007 5:15 PM UTC

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Well, go ahead and ban him :) Zubr is right, the guy can switch providers, log in under a different nickname with a clear conscience, and continue to do whatever he wants at his own risk :) If they catch him, he'll send everyone to hell again and change his nickname :) In this case, if the guy realized his guilt, repented, and wants to stay here under his old nickname, then he has agreed to live with this shameful stain on his nickname's history (perhaps he hopes to atone for his guilt with his future actions on the forum). And is it really the right decision, in the opinion of our fighters for a better life on the forum, to ban such people? :) I doubt the correctness of this decision. And the fact that you think this will create a precedent for widespread cheating among new forum users is actually more likely if you ban them. The most persistent ones will try to log in under different nicknames and try to improve not the game, but their cheating methods so as not to get caught. But if a person values his nickname, which he chose to create his image, then he is unlikely to risk cheating just to be forgiven once and then remain with that same nickname but with a tarnished reputation. Restoring the good name of his nickname will probably not be easy. And if we believe ShadowMen that he is going to try to do this if he is given a second chance, then his confession is the first step on this difficult path for him. It was very easy and simple to mess things up for himself. Let him now try to get out of this difficult situation ;) using a second chance if he is given one.

Lu41k

9/10/2007 5:17 PM UTC

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Oh, well, you're all right in your own way!!!!
There's another problem here... Trust!! Who will be able to trust him now?? And will other tournament organizers agree to accept a person with a tarnished reputation into their tournament... I'm sure Adelaide won't want to...
In general, the situation is very difficult and serious. On the one hand, disqualification is what he deserves, and as Botinki noted, he should have read the rules and known what awaited him... And he shouldn't be forgiven either, so that others won't be tempted to do the same....
But on the other hand, he can be forgiven. He made this mistake in his youth (we all were too impulsive and ambitious in our youth, wanting everything at once, without doing anything... I think he didn't even remember the rules when he broke them...). And he still doesn't understand one simple truth: that victory is a hundred times more valuable if it is achieved honestly, even if it is very difficult!! And you also need to know how to lose with dignity!!! But now he has experienced firsthand what it's like when people don't trust you, when some even despise you, when not everyone wants to communicate with you... This escapade did him a disservice!!! And not only on our forum, but also on others, this story will be known - as it is a scandal, albeit not of global proportions.... And we love scandals!! And now it will be very difficult for him!!!
But still, he can be forgiven... For the first time... And this topic can be posted as a lesson to others with the note: this is the FIRST AND LAST judgment of a cheater! And all subsequent cheaters will be expelled in disgrace and without trial!!!!
But another question is: how will he be able to stay here after this...?!!
So it's hard to say with certainty what awaits him...