yes, I believe that my opinion on a particular issue in the game is definitely more important and valuable than
Complaints and arguments are just for making the game more convenient and enjoyable, because this is what attracts more people to the game, improves the level, and makes it more interesting.
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What?! How can you compare "Stars" with ordinary characters?!! It's like saying that during the time of Caesar (or even the philosopher-emperor Marcus Aurelius), slaves are also people and have rights :D :D :D
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I think this is your subjective opinion (as a representative of the lower-tier player class). Only those who are lucky or skilled benefit from a chess timer and a battle timer, but a novice under time pressure won't be able to think or calculate anything. I state this authoritatively.
When I was a novice, I strictly used "1 minute per move, 200%, PRO PLAYER ONLY!!!". There are some strange novices now.
Here is my first post where, during the tournament, Vic had a "wonderful" idea for the first time – to change the rules of the tournament that had already been approved...
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Somehow, miraculously, Vic backed down and the rule was not introduced.
Then, Vic, with his "many years of experience and organizing tournaments," messed up by misunderstanding the Swiss system itself; it turns out he didn't understand how it should work when there was an odd number of players. In an attempt to "fix" it, he added an extra game between Delux and Lizard, without realizing that this would not fix anything at all, but rather make things worse. Because of his own mistake, he complicated the progress in the playoffs for two players who shouldn't have had subsequent games against other favorites. At this point, he couldn't be convinced anymore. Here is my message if you need it.
The inevitable result occurred – a draw, caused by the mutual destruction of two pawns. And a new round of "wonderful" changes to the regulations began.
This is my first rude post, according to Vic
Second one
A joke, if it wasn't from me, then no worries
Here, Vic assesses the overall intellectual abilities of our community as a whole, and its opponents in the discussion in particular
Nerves are starting to fray here, but I still don't get answers to the questions asked
Vic's favorite trick: pulling out small pieces of phrases out of context when the general meaning of the messages was completely different. Also, only messages from 2 people out of more than ten who decided to express their opinion were cited because they were the only ones who at least partially supported his initiative.
Here, I have lost even a hint of respect for the person who allows himself to be so dismissive of other people's opinions while ruining a tournament that took a considerable amount of time to prepare (this was one of the two of my messages mentioned by Vic as hitting rock bottom in his many years of experience on Hero forums :D)
This is the second message that hit rock bottom
Regarding digging up heroes and providing sound arguments, I didn't see any, so we will keep making mistakes until an argument appears "why it can't be done this way" or until there is an understanding "why it should be done this way."
A small summary from me regarding Vic's tournaments
Analytics about "abuse" from Vic
And understandably, complete ignoring of my last attempt to ask him directly where he got such peremptory conclusions from
Added after 6 minutes
And by the way, the offer to meet in person so that Vic could finally explain to me how to watch what I say is still valid. Since he was so surprised that no one has ever done this in my life. Luckily, we live in the same city.
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This is really my first post when, during the tournament, Vic had a "wonderful" idea for the first time instead of changing the rules approved in the tournament...
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Here, somehow, Vic backed down and the rule was not introduced.
Lucky tried to push through, based on his "authority," the idea that the rules cannot be changed during the tournament in principle. He didn't succeed, nor could he have succeeded, because there are no arguments either for or against this position; it's purely personal taste.
But then something "miraculous" happened - several players provided reasonable (in Vic's opinion) arguments as to why the goal that Vic outlined for the proposed changes would actually not be achieved by these changes.
It seems that Lucky at that moment did not understand the genesis of this "miracle" and decided that it was his arguments that had an effect. Perhaps this explains his persistence later on.
Then Vic, with his "many years of experience and organizing tournaments," makes a mistake in understanding the Swiss system itself, failing to realize how it should actually work when there is an odd number of players. In an attempt to "fix" it, he introduces an additional game between Deluxe and Lizard, without paying attention to the fact that this will not fix anything, but rather make things worse. Because of his own mistake, he complicates the progress in the playoffs for 2 players who shouldn't have had subsequent games with other favorites. Here, he can no longer be convinced.
As for the decision, there was a choice - either lower the chances of Lizard/Deluxe or lower the chances of the group of pursuers. That is, there was no option in nature that would satisfy everyone at once; someone had to be given preference.
After thinking about it, I decided that both Lizard and Deluxe would most likely get into the playoffs anyway, so I opted for the extra game. As a result, they both got through, although Lizard did so in a convoluted way.
That is, this error did not affect the course of the tournament. This is precisely the criterion I use when analyzing situations not covered by the rules - minimizing the impact on the outcome of the tournament compared to its normal course.
A predictable result occurs - a draw, due to the mutual destruction of two pawns. And a new round of "wonderful" changes to the regulations begins. A new round of "wonderful" changes to the regulations begins.
Here's my first rude post, according to Vic
The second one
Teasing, if it's not from me, then it doesn't bother me
Here, Vic assesses the general mental abilities of our community as a whole and its opponents in the discussion in particular
Here, nerves are slowly starting to fray, but I still don't receive answers to the questions asked
Vic's favorite trick is to pull out small pieces of phrases out of context when the overall meaning of the messages was completely different. And only messages from 2 people out of more than ten who decided to express their opinion are given, because only they at least partially supported his initiative.
And the fact that only 2 out of 10 who spoke understood my thought correctly - that's not my problem.
Here, I have already lost even a hint of respect for a person who allows himself to treat other people's opinions so dismissively while ruining a tournament on which a considerable amount of time has been spent(this was one of the two of my posts mentioned, which, in Vic's opinion, set a new low in his many years of practice on Hero forums :D)
This is the second message that sets a new low
A great position, don't you think? That is, a person who hasn't had any gaming experience for a long time thinks that he should be given arguments.
This is precisely the essence of our conflict - you believe that top players are higher in the hierarchy of decision-making than the organizer.
I, however, believe the opposite - that there should be no authorities for the organizer; all players are equal, and the organizer is slightly above them.
Hence the problem of rudeness - it is, after all, nonverbal demonstration of a higher position in the hierarchy. Therefore, the most common reaction to "rudeness from below" is an even more rude response. And if both believe that they are "on top," then the conflict escalates with each turn.
I think this is your subjective opinion (as a representative of the near-top player class). Only those who are lucky or beginners can benefit from a chess timer or a timer in battle, as a novice under time pressure won't be able to think or calculate anything. I state this authoritatively.
I don't even understand why I'm still responding to you, but I will anyway.
Wicc doesn't come up with ideas to change the rules just for the sake of changing them. Every change has a specific goal, and Wicc believes that interfering with the regulations is justified for that goal.
Lucky tried to push the idea, "based on his authority," that the rules should not be changed during the tournament. He didn't succeed, and couldn't have, because there are no arguments for or against this position, it's purely a matter of personal taste.
But then a "miracle" happened - several players provided reasonable (in Wicc's opinion) arguments as to why the goal that Wicc had in mind for the proposed changes would not actually be achieved by those changes.
It seems that Lucky didn't understand the genesis of this "miracle" at that moment and decided that it was his arguments that had an effect. Perhaps this is what explains his persistence later on.
As for the decision, there was a choice - either lower the chances of Lizard/DeLux, or lower the chances of the group of pursuers. That is, there was no option that would satisfy all parties, it was necessary to give preference to someone.
After thinking about it, I decided that Lizard and DeLux would probably make it to the playoffs anyway, so I opted for the option of an extra game. In the end, they both made it, although Lizard did so in a convoluted way.
That is, this mistake did not affect the course of the tournament. This is the criterion I use when analyzing situations not covered by the rules - the minimum impact on the outcome of the tournament compared to its normal course.
Furthermore, in such situations, when neither option corrects the situation, no sane person will go back and, instead of cutting off one head, cut off another. Because you didn't even come close to finding an adequate solution, and you actually confirm this yourself. You're just so used to twisting the rules during tournaments that you decided why not do what's most interesting to you.
The essence of our conflict is this - you believe that top players are higher in the hierarchy of decision-making than the host.
And I repeat, run your tournaments however you want. Make any rules, as in Urf Juice or any other experimental tournament, I won't say a word about your experiments. These rules are initially written, and people have a choice to register for them or not. But to spoil tournaments in the process, ignoring the opinion of the majority of participants - THAT'S A DISGRACE! And no matter how you play with words, it will remain a disgrace.
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I don't even understand why I'm still responding to you, but I will anyway.
When I was a newbie, I played with a strict "1 minute per turn, 200% speed, ONLY FOR PROS!!!" approach. Nowadays, there are some strange newbies.
Situation #1
The host created a new template (e.g., Drunk Jebus :smile04:) and started running a tournament on it. However, after round 2, a bug was discovered in the template – the host disabled Dragon Utopia at the red player’s respawn but forgot to disable it at the blue player’s respawn (by the way, this is a real case from my experience).
//if you don't like this specific example, take any other one; the main thing is that it should be controversial//
The host suggested "fixing the template."
Then Lucky appeared and said: "Absolutely not! I spent a month grinding this version of the template, and only because of this nice bug did I sign up for the tournament! You can't change the template mid-tournament!"
Question – who is authorized to make a decision in this situation?
Situation #2
After four rounds of Swiss, Lucky had a score of -2, and his prospects of making it into the playoffs were uncertain. Then, while studying the logs of previous rounds, Lucky found that two of his competitors received +1 points, which they shouldn't have according to the rules of the Swiss system.
Lucky wrote about this to the host, and the host agreed that an error occurred but refused to correct it with the argument, "what happened, happened; you should have complained earlier."
Question – what will Lucky’s reaction be?
Situation #3
The host has the right to make any changes to the regulations and rules during the tournament if necessary.
Please register me for the tournament.
Question – what motivated Lucky in making this decision?
(everyone can answer)
As for "dirty" tactics, I've never seen Kostya abuse this rule, but you...
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1) The moderator, after listening to all opinions.
2) Approximately this.
3) Because Dirty is a cute girl with a pink nickname.
The exaggerations have begun, Vik's standard method:smile18:
Regarding "dirty," I haven't seen Kostya abuse this rule even once, but you...
The questions are not exaggerated at all; No. 2 is an exact copy of what happened, only from the opposite side.
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Okay, to get straight to the point, if I hadn't noticed your mistake right away, I would have told you about it as soon as I discovered it, so that you wouldn't repeat it in the future. But I definitely wouldn't try to retroactively make changes to a bunch of completed games, taking into account the draw for this mistake.
I don't think I have a stronger sense of justice than Lucky :)
And question #1 is the most interesting...
Regarding "dirty," I've never seen Kostya abuse this rule, but with you...