Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. Auto-translated

I don't quite understand, are there some contradictions there? :confused: Should something be corrected? :confused:

Ideally, such a situation should always trigger a restart. Because you could just sit at your spawn point and win the game when your opponent comes to you, thinking that you have broken through their Gate of the Month. But according to the current rules, it's a restart at the player's discretion.

Since you've already opened the save file, continuing the game is impossible; in any case, you'll have to play it again from the beginning. You also can't award a technical defeat. So, just play the game again and don't worry about it.

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Am I missing something? Are there some contradictions? :confused: Do I need to fix something? :confused:

That’s how our politicians talk.

The rules state specifically - on the day of discovering the absence of a road to the central treasury, report it!

- Restarts at the player's request,
a) if there is no road to the passage leading to the central treasury;
b) if there is no continuous road leading from the starting castle to the central treasury through the starting zone.

This is called jurisprudence. From a common-sense perspective, it contains quite a lot of nonsense, but courts make decisions in this way.

Now, let's read the wording:

In this case, on turn 112, it became clear that point A had occurred, but since the restart is "optional," you don't have to rush; you can play a little longer and then take a restart based on point B. Sometimes, there are generations where a player has two paths to the center. Yes, I understand that this is a flaw in the rules, but the letter of the law is exactly like this in this place...

Let's read the rules completely, not just the convenient part:
"Restarts are allowed at the player's discretion:
a) if the player lacks a Guardian Orb in the path leading to the central treasure;
b) if the player lacks a continuous road leading from the starting castle to the central treasure through the starting zone,
these restarts are taken on the day these facts are discovered. If subjective restarts remain, the player can choose which subjective restart to use (i.e., on map 124, they can use the remaining restart from map 111). If subjective restarts are exhausted, the player has the right to request an additional restart."
What do you think this phrase in the rules is for? Is it so that the player runs around, explores their starting area, and decides whether to play this game or restart?

This is for point A, the day of discovery is 112, and point B has not yet been "discovered" (well, maybe the second road leads to the center through the GO). Therefore, the player can "if they wish" not take the restart based on point A with the goal of taking it later (on the day of "discovery") based on point B.

It's all tricky, I only just read it and figured it out :)

Does anyone else, besides Wick, see "point B" here?

This is called jurisprudence. From a common-sense perspective, it contains quite a lot of nonsense, but courts make decisions in this way.

Now, let's read the wording:

In this case, it became clear on turn 112 that point A had occurred, but since the restart is "optional," there's no need to rush; you can play a little longer and then take a restart according to point B. Sometimes, there are generations where a player has two paths to the center...

Yes, I understand that this is a flaw in the rules, but the letter of the law is exactly like this in this place...

Yes, the previous posts were written after a misreading as "leading from the starting castle to the main town," but in reality, it's "leading from the starting castle to the central treasure," meaning that in this case, point B is not applicable.

So, what does jurisprudence and the letter of the law say in this situation?

As a result, Jelen117 skipped his turn 112, and I completed my turn 112.

Did I understand correctly that the judge's restart remains in effect? And should we continue the game as if it were a restart 111?

I'd like to see the save files first.

I'd like to see the save files first.

If I finally understood correctly on the second try :rolleyes:, then Jelen117's sequence of actions should have been as follows - make a save on turn 112, exit the game, and send the save to the judge with the question "are there any grounds for an objective restart?"

In this regard, this phrase is important:
What does "missed a turn" mean? Did he make his turn on 112 and pass the turn to you?

That's exactly what happened - he made his move and passed the turn to me. At the same time, I offered him a restart twice, but he refused.