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We invite you to take part in the qualifying tournament for the main online tournament of the year, FB-11 :smile03:

I. Regulations and Deadlines

The qualifying tournament will be held using a "Swiss" system

The tournament starts on July 28 at 21-00; the draw is at 20-30 on the Dirty_Player channel. Registration is open until the start of the draw.

The time limit for one round is 2 weeks — this time, awards and techs will be issued without delay. Thus, draws for subsequent rounds will begin on time!!
Players must agree on a common game time themselves; judges will base their decisions on the attempts and desire of both players to play. In case of extreme stubbornness from both participants, a mutual tech-loss will follow, so I recommend contacting your opponent immediately after the draw to reach an agreement. If no one can agree at all, keep the judges informed; in exceptional cases involving a language barrier, an ODD may be appointed. If one of the players fails to appear at the scheduled time, the second player must write to the organizer or judge, and this will be the primary argument when issuing a tech result.

OFB will consist of 9 rounds; preliminarily, 5 players advance to the final part, but under certain circumstances (such as tie-breaking for places, a player who reserved a spot in FB withdrawing, etc.), the lead organizer has the right to expand this list. (Having the right does not mean they necessarily will — for the particularly meticulous demagogues :) )

The organizer reserves the right to change and supplement these regulations. If the AC adopts any changes to the rules after the start of the tournament, they will automatically come into force in this tournament starting from the round following the current one. (Changes will not apply to games already in progress)

Attention all participants! Anyone who has unconfirmed reports 1 week old or older at the time the tournament starts will not be admitted — registration will be denied. Please check current tournaments and the season for debts here: http://heroes3stat.tk/unconfirmed/

II. Rules and Templates.

upd. 12.08.17: two tech-losses result in the participant's disqualification from the tournament and a likely miss of the next tournament.
upd. 04.08.17 0. Rebuilding is allowed and must be enabled on all templates. Regarding the library by default — it is allowed only in the starting tower. Anyone who started a game under other rules finishes according to them. From the second round, these rules apply by default
1. By default, games are played according to /topic/10593/
2. By default, the game version is SoD 3.2 (4.0)+latest HD-mod+HeroesWorld Rules 1.38, connect via hamachi (if it doesn't work, then TeamViewer). By mutual agreement: WT, HotA, or any other HOMM3 version, even WoG :D
3. Template selection. I believe a good player should be able to play on any template, so different templates will be played in the tournament, most likely all 9: :smile03: The list is as follows: h3dm1, mt-diamond, anarchy L+U 160% trade, skirmish M-U 200% all random, Jebus cross, 8mm6a, 6LM10a, 8xm12a, and Spider. The distribution by rounds will be random for greater interest. :)
4. Castle selection. Randomizer + trade. Regeneration of a pair of castles is permitted for 500 coins. The blue player first states their desire/lack of desire to keep the current pair. Then comes the same-color trade.
5. Rules for playing on h3dm1 and mt-diamond (computer castles are random). Read carefully before starting the game. By default, these specific rules will apply.
a). Timer 21+8-30+1-15. It is permitted to pass by shifted guards onto any lands. Only medium roads. Trading. First, the castle is determined. Each participant has the right to ban one castle before generation. The blue player first states their desire/lack of desire to ban a castle, after which in HW-Rulz mode, those castles are banned and the random 1-castle generator is launched. The game will be played with this castle.
b). Trading also occurs for color and the right to choose the hero (therefore red-rush is allowed). Each player has the right to cross out 1 hero before the trade for them begins (they may waive this right), then trading for the hero occurs (when starting with Conflux, we trade just as we do for other castles), followed by trading for color. If a banned hero arrives at tavern 111 of any player with troops — auto-restart. The rule breaker gets a tech-loss. The hero must be declared to the opponent immediately after generation (for slowpokes :D within 10 seconds after start)
c). There is 1 subjective restart and objective restarts (restart due to block (inability to leave the castle) or a severe generation bug) — this is discussed between players; if no consensus is reached, the player has the right to save and contact the judges once (this applies to all templates), but please do not abuse this right as it drags out games. Objective restarts are taken no later than 112.
d). It is forbidden to steal anything other than resources and chests by passing shifted guards, or to visit objects (except mills for resources and gold, as well as boosters for increasing movement points) that do not have their own internal guard.
e). The main rule — game ethics and respectful treatment of the opponent. For violation of this rule, including on streams, sanctions against the violating player are possible, up to a ban from the tournament.
7. Skirmish is played m200 according to standard rules:

/topic/10593/

Additions: restarts total two days. Who starts red first is determined by a coin toss. Roads 1-2 (slow and medium). Players have the right to change rules by mutual agreement, except for the template being played.
Coin rule: The player who wins the draw has the right to choose the starting color in the first generation. For this, the HW Rules "Flip a Coin" option is used; the one who guesses the resulting number has the right to choose the starting color.
8. Before the round deadline, the winning player must write a report, and the loser must confirm it — those who fail to follow this rule are not admitted to the draw for the next round!
9. 3 points are given for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a loss.
Winners are determined by the number of points earned. In case of equal points, additional indicators apply:
1) Buchholz coefficient
2) Head-to-head match
10. In the last two rounds, draws are forbidden at the players' request!!!

11. Roads for templates:
Jebus cross - only fast
skirmish - slow and medium
Mirror and Mirror-Diamond - only medium
Anarchy - all roads
HL+U - only medium


12. On all templates, using the grail digging acceleration bug is forbidden.

III. Organizational Issues
1. The tournament is official and regular.
2. The tournament is conducted according to the Rules for organizing, conducting, and participating in tournaments.
3. Tournament Lead — KobRa icq#(286406830), skype#(kobrarr),
whatsapp, viber, telegram (number in PM)
Tournament Judge and Co-Lead Dirty_Player (ICQ 408722873)
Assistants — we'll manage on our own.
4. For each played game, participants must submit a report and confirmation
5. Saves of all games must be kept until the end of the tournament and presented upon first request by the tournament leads or any member of the AC.
6. Disputed points, if any arise, please discuss outside the forum, in PMs. For a resolution, you must contact the Lead or Tournament Judge via ICQ and provide daily saves, ICQ logs, and other necessary information. An appeal against the Judge's decision can and should be submitted to the AC, rather than starting a flame war in the thread — it will be immediately deleted and penalty points will be assigned.
7. All tournament games go into the seasonal rating. Reports and confirmations are written in this thread.
8. The final part of the tournament will be held using a round-robin (or group) system.

IV. Participants
1. Experienced players from HW and other game resources are invited to the tournament.
2. Newcomers who have shown good results are permitted (applications will be considered on an individual basis).
3. Recently registered players are not admitted to the tournament (exception — active players from other game resources; applications will be considered on an individual basis).
4. Players with a "Black Mark" (ЧМЧ) have no right to participate in the tournament. If any player is given a Black Mark during the tournament, they will be disqualified and their results annulled.
5. Applications from undisciplined players who have repeatedly "blown off" tournaments may be rejected.
6. The organizers reserve the right to refuse participation in the tournament to a user without public explanation of reasons.
7. The Winner and 2nd-3rd place finishers of the FB-10 tournament are NOT admitted to the qualifiers (Gomunguls, Amster, LuckyF)


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Al Feyn
I'm out. There's no point in continuing the fight with three losses. It's impossible to get into the Facebook group.

He could have played, though. There was only one game left. For the sake of the ranking and so that those he won against wouldn't be disappointed.
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Andres
He could have played. There's only one game left. For the sake of the ranking and so that those he won against wouldn't feel bad.

But how could it be more upsetting than it already is? I'm already out and didn't make it to the final bracket.
Nothing new can happen now. The last game doesn't affect anything at all. As far as I'm concerned, it's a knockout tournament, and it's unclear why they're continuing it for all those who already have three losses.

It's also strange that I asked on the previous page if you can withdraw with three losses. But Cobra didn't directly answer that.
No. If there's a reason to continue, I won't withdraw, but I'd like to know this from Cobra.
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Al Feyn
How can it be any more frustrating than it already is? I've already been eliminated and didn't make it to the finals.
Nothing new can happen. The last game doesn't affect anything at all. In my opinion, this is essentially a knockout tournament, and it's unclear why they're continuing it for those who already have three losses.

It's also strange that I asked on the previous page if you can withdraw with three losses, but Cobra didn't directly answer.
No. If there's a reason to continue, I won't withdraw, but I'd like to hear this from Cobra.
In the future, I wouldn't include people like this in tournaments. The rules were set a month before the tournament, and stirring up controversy about whether or not to participate is, frankly, unsportsmanlike. And in every tournament, there are always discussions about what should and shouldn't be done.
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What do you consider to be sporting behavior? I repeat, losers have zero tournament motivation, and their subsequent matches have a negligible impact on the winners' rating. But people are wagging their fingers and saying, "You want them to start posting formal losses, is that more sporting?" Wouldn't it be fairer for them to simply withdraw if they don't want to play against stronger opponents?
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Mizrael
What do you consider "sportsmanship"? I repeat, losers have zero tournament motivation, and their subsequent matches have a negligible impact on the winners' odds. But people are wagging their fingers and saying, "Oh no, you want them to start posting formal forfeits, would that be more sportsmanlike?" Isn't it more honest to just withdraw if you're playing against the odds?


I suggest you watch biathlon and photo finishes for 30th place. I've already stated my opinion that there should be a penalty for withdrawing. This isn't a playoff with elimination. If you can't make the top seven, fight for tenth, twentieth, thirtieth place, etc.

It's strange to hear this from Al Feyn, a rather active person who expresses certain ideas.

It's not a certainty, but it's possible to make it to the top 7 finalists even with 3 losses. But Al Feyn, no one can guarantee you anything; the tournament finale will show.

The place you take in the OFB reflects your level more than the rating.

I'd like to hear a few "kind" words from Dirty about withdrawals.

Maybe make entry to the tournament paid; if you withdraw, the money goes into the prize pool, and if you finish, the money is returned to you. There might be even better suggestions.

He's still complaining, saying he's withdrawing not because of real-life issues, but because he doesn't want to participate anymore – no need to consult a fortune teller; next time, I wouldn't take such people.
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I think such a tournament should initially be held using a Swiss-system format with elimination rounds. As soon as the number of players remaining in the tournament corresponds to the number of qualifying places, the tournament should end immediately. In this situation, everyone who is still participating in the tournament has a chance to qualify; they simply need to win all the remaining matches.
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Iamsamstan
I wouldn't include such players in tournaments in the future. The rules were announced a month before the tournament, and arguing about whether or not they qualify is, frankly, unsportsmanlike. And in every tournament, it's always the same: just endless discussions about what should and shouldn't be done.
Five points. You called yourself a truck – get in the back.

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If someone wants to withdraw, let them. It's better than having meaningless games in the following rounds. Just don't make a huge deal out of it. Send a private message or an instant message saying, "Please withdraw me from the tournament," and that's it.
Wicc
I think such a tournament should initially be held using a Swiss-system format with elimination rounds.
Of course, it's possible, but there are people who just want to play, preferably against strong opponents. Let them play.
Wicc
As soon as the number of players in the tournament corresponds to the number of qualifying spots, the tournament ends immediately.
You never know how many players will be needed. Someone might drop out, so it's reasonable to finish the tournament properly so that you don't have to rush to decide who to include later.
Al Feyn
But how can it be more upsetting than it already is? I've already been eliminated and didn't qualify for the finals.
It will be upsetting for those who still have a chance but will lose it in the last round. Winning 7 out of 9 games is not as easy as it seems.
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Roger, maybe we should approach the dialogue differently? Instead of attacking those who withdrew, perhaps we could suggest to the organizers to include a clause in the tournament regulations in the FUTURE that penalizes withdrawals. Currently, there is nothing like that in the rules, and what you are writing is just your opinion. As you can see, many people disagree with it.
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Reasons for withdrawing vary greatly. For instance, I've almost stopped playing SoD and withdrew from a couple of Tournaments due to poor internet. In the HotA lobby, there is automatic reconnect, which really saves me. When connecting via TV/Hamachi, there are 2 disconnects every turn; it became exhausting for both me and my opponents. So there's no need to be so categorical.
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Roger-ua
It's not a certainty, but it's possible to make it into the top 7 finalists even with 3 losses. But no one can guarantee you that, the final tournament will show.
Try looking at the top of the table yourself, put yourself in my place, and calculate who has a chance to make it into the top 7. And then write. I'll give you guarantees. It's impossible to make it into the top 7 with three losses.
The tournament should be held using a Swiss system with elimination rounds. This will reflect the real meaning of what is happening. I suggest this for the future, and we should remove the coefficient and add final elimination games (on h3dm1, or a pool of Spider/6LM10A/h3dm1) for those who have an equal number of points at the end.
And I'll repeat once again - if the final round has any significance, then I won't withdraw. Right now, I'm waiting for Cobra's answer.
Dirty_Player
If someone wants to withdraw, let them withdraw. It's better than having fake games in the following rounds. Just don't make it a cosmic event. Write in a private message/ICQ "I request to be removed from the tournament" and that's the end of it.
Nine people have withdrawn, and opinions are mixed, even contradictory. This means that the issue really exists, and it has not been resolved. In such situations, it is necessary to initiate discussions so that the next tournament can be organized better and similar issues do not arise. This should not be taken personally. This is Kaizen - the most effective system for developing any technology that humanity has come up with so far. And we can also apply it here.
(And by the way, we may not apply it :D especially if "the organizers are happy with everything." This is a matter of the Regulations - you can write directly in the Regulations that discussing the Tournament Rules in the tournament topic is prohibited - immediate disqualification from the Tournament - and all discussions will immediately stop :D )
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Al Feyn
I'll say it again – if the final round has any significance, I won't withdraw. I'm currently waiting for Cobra's response.
Cobra has responded to you, stating that at least 7 people must qualify. So, calculate yourself how many points are needed for that. According to rough estimates, it's 21+. But it's very difficult to calculate the exact number. Furthermore, we can't rule out the possibility that some of those who qualify will decline to participate, so places 8 and higher will also qualify.
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Yeah. So, there were also cases where people refused to play in the Final Battle, and someone from lower ranks took their place in the tournament? Were there any real instances of this?
Dirty_Player
Cobra told you that at least 7 people qualify. So, do the math yourself to figure out how many points are needed for that.

At least 7, but what's the maximum? Well, I guess I can figure that out.

Right now, four people already have 21+ points (Buvli, Antiplayer, and two more will rise from the pairs, who currently have 18). Another 10 people (5 pairs) will play against each other in the last round, all having 18+. Five of them will win, meaning at least 5 more people will have 21+ points at the end of the tournament. In total, 4+5=9 people will have 21+ points at the end of the tournament. They are out of reach for those who have 15 points after 8 rounds (including me).

Plus, due to early losses, my rating is not good, and among those who finish the tournament with 18 points, there will be at least 5 more people with a higher rating. And hoping that they won't be there because they will withdraw (because, like me, they have no chance) is pointless - these will be the same 5 people who will lose in the pairs in the last round with 18+ - and they will not withdraw, because they still maintain a chance of qualifying for the Final Battle until the very end.

In total, we already have 14-15 people who will definitely be above me at the end of the tournament. This is already known at the moment. There is no mystery here. And no guarantees are needed from anyone.

Is there a chance to qualify for the Final Battle from 15th place?
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Let's move the discussion about completing/not completing Al Feyn to a separate thread in the forum:confused:

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