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You are absolutely right, comrades. In general, I am bothered by phrases like:
For them, it was just a form of entertainment, like "I'm a moderator, and I have some power."
As far as I know, no user has such an "elevated" view of themselves. On the contrary, they took on some of the burden of responsibility to prevent the situation from deteriorating due to excessive chatter. And this kind of attitude towards them leads to arguments. Recently, I've noticed that most of the excessive chatter arises from arguments. Someone wants to appear smarter, or simply doesn't want to admit they are wrong... There are many reasons for conflicts. The most frustrating thing is that no one wants to give in... This is very upsetting.
The most interesting thing is that everyone says:
Suppressing uninformative and repetitive posts; only then will someone have to ban themselves.
Until they themselves fall under the moderator's scrutiny and their message is deleted... They immediately start complaining: HOW??? THIS ISN'T CHATTER!!!! THE ADMINISTRATION IS DELETING THINGS FOR NO REASON... And so on... No moderator will remain indifferent because such aggressive messages cannot go unnoticed. And as long as the topic isn't completely overrun by such arguments, it's unlikely to be deleted.
In general, if the administration, in the form of moderators/coordinators, is wrong, write a private message, and we will try to resolve the conflict...
Returning to the quote... Are you referring to someone in particular...? I think you have grounds for such conclusions...
An ordinary user has absolutely no way to "demand accountability" from a representative of the administration for their actions; they do what they do, and that's it. And this, if you think about it, is a violation of point 1 of the portal's rules.
What does it mean there is no way...? Some people are just busy arguing instead of clarifying the situation. As I wrote above, if you really believe that your topic/message was deleted unfairly, write a private message or an ICQ message; everyone has it. But don't write something like: "WHY WAS MY TOPIC DELETED???" Show some respect... Otherwise, you'll make me want to ban the user.
Saving the Heroes theme is good, but it can be done more simply so that it doesn't have to be saved... If you don't want excessive chatter, don't post there... And don't argue... Instead, enjoy the universe and share your impressions. Don't try to prove who is right and who is wrong....
Regarding the selection of moderators: There was a topic where applications were submitted; it is currently inactive. But let's consider what qualities a moderator/coordinator should possess: 1 - Have above-average knowledge of the moderated subject matter (to distinguish between irrelevant posts and normal ones). 2 - Be respected by forum users (so that there are no questions like: "Who are you to delete my posts?" regarding any issue). 3 - Visit the forum at least two or three times a week (excluding vacations). 4 - Possess enough willpower to force themselves to delete other people's messages (it's very difficult the first time). 5 - And the user must agree to this appointment. Moderators should be selected based on these principles. For now, please continue the discussion in this thread: /topic/at/103203/
The absence of a "morale" system is taking its toll. Newcomers simply cannot clearly feel what is good and what is bad. Previously, one could specifically understand for which messages a particular person enjoyed respect and authority on the forum; and what follows certain individual phrases like "everything sucks, death is best," etc.
By the way, it's hard to argue against the necessity of a "morale" or reputation system in any form. A forum member should indeed see that they are being condemned not only by "show-off mods who think too highly of themselves," but also by ordinary users.
Dear AlexeyPank, Xaker, Qwerty, Alan, and other officials who have posted in this thread! Please announce the Creator's decision regarding the morale system to us!
By the way, it's hard to argue about the need for a "morale" or reputation system in any form. The forum user should really see that they are being criticized not only by "moderators who are showing off and have an inflated sense of self-importance," but also by ordinary users.
Dear AlexeyPank, Xaker, Qwerty, Alan, and other officials who have responded in this thread! Please let us know the Creator's decision regarding the morale system!
I will announce this decision myself: "The morale system will reappear on HeroesWorld within the next two weeks, provided there are no unforeseen circumstances, such as: flooding, earthquake, tornado, tsunami, a meteorite falling on planet Earth, etc.".
Or maybe introduce a counter for off-topic or otherwise deleted posts. After accumulating a certain number of deleted posts, impose some kind of penalty... Create a pyramid of penalties – each time, the threshold for punishment will be smaller and smaller... BUT this is only possible with correct post deletion!
And this is written by the coordinator, the supreme guardian of the forum? Is this the reaction of a reasonable person to a simple life analogy that refutes his claims? Just a word about the representatives of the administration, who should ban themselves.
Fireball - be simpler... this is not a meeting of the council of ancient Greek idealist philosophers... we are just ordinary people... And if you can't logically process this and be simpler like most people, it's not our fault...
Or maybe introduce a counter for off-topic or otherwise deleted posts. After accumulating a certain number of deleted posts, impose some kind of penalty... Create a pyramid of penalties - each time, the threshold for punishment will be smaller and smaller... BUT this is only possible with correct deletion of posts!...
It seems that the "Warnings" system already works in a similar way. After a certain number of warnings, the user is banned. Or am I wrong? I would like to clarify this point.
That's how the "Remarks" system seems to work. After a certain number of remarks, the user is banned. Or am I wrong? I'd like to clarify this point.
It seems that's how the "warnings" system works, not "remarks"... but I could be mistaken... I mean applying some kind of penalties for off-topic posts. For example: let's say I went off-topic and spammed 50 times. I get, say, a warning... Next time I'll get a warning for a smaller amount of off-topic content and spam (say 40 messages)... and so on until I reach the critical threshold that results in a ban. The critical threshold could be either the General number of warnings that lead to a ban, or let's say 5 remarks for spamming and off-topic posting. The numbers are hypothetical..
b) I sometimes find it difficult to understand what constitutes "spam" in a particular topic (this is, by the way, a very important point!).
It's very simple. Here's a clear example: Alexander G.K.; 100336
I'll say it: I simply don't care! :mad: Let him deal with it! It's his brainchild, his creation, after all! :smile32: It's time for him to take matters into his own hands! No spam! No flooding! For "Might and Magic" everywhere! :smile04: :smile04: :smile04: :cool:
So, if you see three identical emoticons in a row, interspersed with exclamation marks, you can confidently conclude... If this example isn't clear enough, I can provide a dozen more similar ones... Then, after a while, you can simply observe the author of the post... You won't be wrong...
It seems like the "warning" system works in a similar way, rather than a "remark" system... but I might be wrong... What I mean is that some kind of penalty should be applied for off-topic posts. For example: let's say I go off-topic and flood the forum 50 times. I get a warning... The next time, I'll get a warning for a smaller amount of off-topic and flooding (let's say 40 messages)... and so on until I reach a critical threshold for which I'll be banned. The critical threshold could be either the total number of warnings for which a ban is given, or, for example, 5 remarks for flooding and off-topic posts. The numbers are just for illustration.
Yeah, theoretically... But in practice, I can give you a remark right now, or you can give me one. Even ten. The system doesn't work.
I suggest increasing the number of moderators and coordinators several times, dismissing "inactive" moderators, and reducing the number of topics in the "Off-topic" section. Thank you for your attention. Buddha
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As I understand it, a script was written for the statistics? All the best to the Creator. But the statistics don't reflect all the activity of the moderators. For example, I moderate the tournament sections. And there is much less spam and off-topic content. And the activity there isn't very high either. But, as I understand it, the moderators for Heroes of Might and Magic V are overwhelmed with spam.
Guys, while it's all good that you care about the forum's fate, aren't you afraid that at some point, many users will simply abandon the portal because of its seriousness and limitations? After all, the people mentioned in the first post of this thread probably didn't leave because the forum started having more casual discussions...
Vlad
and for the solution itself. 